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Because the founders intended us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars that we don’t have protecting borders of other countries separated from us by vast oceans before protecting our own borders. Oh and you conveniently left out billions of dollars for Gaza, because we all know that money always goes to a good cause. If the House shuts this down then it will be one of the few things it has has done well lately.

Taking my youngest to the range can be more expensive than taking the wife out for dinner but both are worth it.

I used to have a lot of fucks to give about sports, but now I have none, especially the ones Biff called out. Instead of watching the Taylor swift show, I shot 500 rounds with my son out back, and then we worked on the knives we’re making. That time together was a billion times better than wasting my time on watching a bunch of prima donnas on TV. They need us more than we need them, fuck ‘em!

We changed that too, now called the OPB!

No one needs 500 rounds and assault knives Brabus!

I've said before that there's no reason why we can't support Ukraine *and* deal with the border crisis at the same time. We are capable as a country of multitasking. However if this bill does not include the border provisions, then we are by definition choosing Ukraine over our own border, and that I do not support at all. I hope the Republicans in the house tank this bill.

Never have left the cockpit of a fighter and promoted on time to O-5…never played the game to do that. Was told multiple times in my career if I didn’t do X “good deal/career enhancer” it would put me behind my peers, blah, blah. Never was true. Always say exactly what YOU want and do what YOU want (in terms of job/assignment prefs, school in corres vs. res, AD vs. ANG, etc.) Never say or do something because some jackass Bob told you that was the answer. Choose a personally desirable path, not one that someone told you to take. You’ll be much happier and fulfilled for it.

Contact Capt Robert Aycock at robert.aycock@us.af.mil Packets are due next week. Board on 2 March during UTA. Cheers

I was trying to think of some kinda-believable/kinda-ridiculous critiques for his responses that some pro-war fanatic might come up with, and I got nothin. gave up. It was just too good. I thought the "Dad" analogy was especially good.

Chang is that you? Can’t tell if this is a troll post or not. If you’re serious, this doesn’t warrant a new thread, there’s decades (literally) of info on this forum about how to succeed in pilot training. Regardless of what you want to do with your life after wings, right now you should only be focused on doing your best at UPT. The rest will follow. You don’t even have to decide what you want to fly yet. You may want fighters now, but that could change the moment you pull more than 1G. For now, get your affairs in order (finances, family, personal life) to maximize your ability to solely focus on training. Oh, and advice on succeeding? Work hard, be a bro (don’t screw your classmates over), and never study on a Saturday. That’s it. You’ll learn everything else you need to know when you show up.

@gearhog I don’t agree at all. Arguing a single Putin interview is a threat to national security and a nail in the coffin of our country’s existence is frankly, bat shit crazy. And I’m also not advocating for treason, etc. I guess agree to disagree on this topic.

I thought Tucker hammered the WSJ reporter issue pretty well and held Putin to an answer. After initial prevarications Putin essentially answered “we will release the dude eventually, but I am bingo good faith gestures to the west so we’re not doing it now.” I don’t like that answer, but hearing it directly from Putin was illuminating for many reasons. I also reject your unspecified moral concerns at engaging in dialogue with someone who has done something bad. Of course Putin portrays himself as the good guy and is evasive; knowing he’s bullshitting isn’t a reason not to listen. I’m surprised how many military officers are disgusted by Tucker‘s interview. I would gladly hear from adversaries no matter how much I despise them. I want to hear from North Korea, from Iran, the Houthi’s, would love to hear a podcast from al Shabab, AQ, etc. I watched the Vice documentary on ISIS with interest. I would kill all of them with no hesitation, but talking is the way wars end and listening is potentially advantageous. This is a recent development in our country and not a good one: we used to listen to everybody and journalists were applauded by interviewing adversaries. Now there is a large group of people who cover their ears and shout when introduced to a different opinion, claiming it is propaganda disinformation malinformation. Yes it is, so what? The enemy believes things we think are wrong, that is why they are the enemy. Answers can’t always be taken at face value, we’re engaged against them so their speech is a lot of subterfuge and attempted manipulation and they fight with words. Listening to those things doesn’t infect me, it helps me understand how to resolve conflicts to my advantage. Where might we agree? What are things they care about that we don’t where concessions might be made? What are sensitive areas where we might ascertain vulnerabilities previously unseen? How can we exploit their words against them? Who are the charismatic, intelligent leaders who have a chance of defeating us that we should target and kill? Who are the dumb ones we should prop up to weaken their organization? There are also tactical advantages: UBL, ISIS & NVA were targeted successfully based on analysis of items in the background of videos they allowed reporters to take; fucking dummies. I encourage that (Napoleon said never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake). So let’s all be mature and realize there is goodness here if we are smart enough to filter appropriately. And if hearing a different perspective challenges your own conclusions, that is healthy as well.

I am a current AD 62E Officer who was lucky enough to get picked up for UPT on this year’s Active-Duty UFT Board. I am thrilled to finally be living out the dream but am seeking advice for those who have been in my shoes.....late to rate. I am a 1st Lt who, pending any drastic UPT scheduling delays, should be completing UPT right around the time I hit Capt. As someone who is currently removed from the flying community, I have all of these aspirations for making the most of my flying time, and hope to get plenty of operational experience, and even have hopes of potentially attending WIC. I also (potentially naively?) plan to retire, as I sit here at a little over 2.5 years AD time under my belt. I say that because I want to be sure to check any boxes required to ensure desirable career progression (things like a staff tour). Seeking out any and all tips/tricks/insight on making the most of my initial operational time and becoming an asset in my MDS, while not derailing my career. Unsure if advice would differ by platform, but for contexts sake, the dream is to strap into the Viper, but after 2.5 years of driving exclusively my keyboard, I would be happy flying anything. P.S. I know this is likely unnecessary stress this early in my career, but I am a planner, what can I say.

It's a garbage bill. Plain and simple. It does not fix the problems at the border, and exists solely to take away the Republican talking point going into the election. I 100% support torpedoing that bill. I'm completely in favor of supporting Ukraine, but they exist to me as just one issue facing this country, not *the* issue. For better or worse, Ukraine is not an issue that unites the Republican party. However it seems like the issue is of minimal importance to the Democrats as well. There are at least well-reasoned arguments on both sides surrounding the Ukraine debate. There are absolutely no well-reasoned arguments supporting the absolute dumpster fire situation at our Southern border. Democrats would condition aid for Ukraine on perpetuating an overtly anti-American border policy, and as such they can be trusted with *nothing* that isn't codified in legislation. How many times are Republicans going to fall for Democratic border "solutions?" No more. The Democrats dug themselves into this hole, and they can easily dig themselves out by simply fixing the border problem. Instead, for whatever unfathomable reason, they wish to perpetuate the millions of illegal aliens coming to this country, while still hoping to neutralize the issue going into the presidential election. Let's say that they are successful, and as a result are able to retain control of the White House for another 4 years. I believe that would be terrible for the country, and far worse than whatever is going to happen to Ukraine, especially considering that even the positive possible outcomes in the Ukraine conflict are nullified by incompetent American leadership in the following years.

Come on dude. You can do better. Two things can be true at the same time. I want Ukraine to win, and I want our border secure. Different pots of money. Hell, our southern border simply requires the current executive to admit he was wrong and reverse his own actions. Likewise, Ukraine doesn't require us to kneecap our own capabilities. We can have both. Not everyone opposed to a LOT of the current admin's decisions are just binary about that decision. Maybe narrow down the brush a bit.

Austin is worth 3 days

I went back through 10+ pages of archives here to see if there was a thread I could bring back from the dead. I couldn't find one so I'll make a new one. I just recently transferred from the ANG to an AFRC IMA job. This post and thread will be a place holder for more information when I have more time to sit down and write a novel of my experience with this process. Like anything military personnel/administrative related, it was a nightmare... so far. Hopefully it'll all be worth it. I've got my 20+ years already, but decided I didn't want to fly anymore or do the UTA thing anymore and didn't quite think it was a good idea to retire yet so I decided to try the IMA world. *****EDIT***** I'll start answering some of the questions below. I really had to seriously compare the pro's and con's since my brain was pretty much committed to retiring when I stumbled across the IMA vacancy, but my main reasons for staying in were: I've already been an O-5 for a bit over 3 years. I was one who was good going out as an O-4 and then I promoted to O-5. When I did the math, an O-6 collecting an ARC retirement in 2037 with 6,000 points was over $20k per year more than an O-5. Well beyond what I had imagined, so it was a big factor in my decision. The opportunity to promote to O-6 is a good possibility in the position I'm in. There are a couple of O-6 positions above me in the unit already. I also decided that I wanted to stay in and try something different before I pulled the plug. The ANG has it's advantages in that you can be a flyer for your whole career if you want and retire as a mission-ready line pilot, but a part of me felt I needed to try something else. Military flying wasn't doing much for me anymore and I felt I needed to put that phase of my life behind me. There's only 24 IDT and 12 AT plus MPA when made available (reduced retirement eligible). I really don't need military days to augment my airline schedule anymore as I am very senior in base/in seat, not commuting and loving life. With the amount I was having to participate in my Guard unit (the ops tempo just never seemed to let up), it was basically starting to hamper my ability to pick up open time and make more money at the company anyway. One 2-day premium pickup is worth more than a whole month of ANG pay. No UTA's. I was really done with the whole one weekend a month thing. I won't work weekends and the schedule is very flexible. I'll be the only reservist in the squadron (it's all AD) and the position is basically a deputy Sq/CC augmenting my AD counterpart. So, I figured I'd give it go. Worse comes to worse, I hate it and I pull the handle in a few years. No commitment. Still eligible for TRS healthcare as an IMA (A or B, not C). THE PROCESS (I may add to this little by little): 1. Find the position you want. You do this by going on the Reserve Vacancy site off vMPF. It's in the same area you can find the PERSTEMPO and PRDA links. Click on that and go to IMA vacancies. If you're a flyer, you'll pretty much be eligible to apply for Pilot IMA (11XX) and Operations Support (16XX) vacancies. Note that IMA positions are rank capped, so if you're an O-4 close to meeting your O-5 board, you probably won't get hired into an O-4 IMA position and probably don't want to because you will not be able to promote until you find an O-5 position. If you're already an O-5, you can sit in an O-5 IMA position until your MSD (not a bad deal). 2. Find an AFRC recruiter. I'd imagine this process is a lot easier if you're already AFRC. The recruiter can get you more info about the IMA position. If there is no POC listed on the vacancy announcement, they can get you this info. I'd advise you contact the hiring official via email or phone and discuss the position. If it's local, you may even want to show up for a meet and greet, which I believe goes a long way in showing your interest. Lots of people apply for these positions and many of them are not local. There are IMA positions all over the country. The recruiter will probably have you fill out a bunch of AFRC application-type paperwork to start a file on you. 3. If you're ANG, you'll need to get an AF 1288 drafted and routed through your Guard leadership. Your unit may have other local processes for a separation, but it'll go up through your CoC (up to TAG) for approval. This takes a while. It shouldn't, but it does because FSS manages the whole thing. For me, it took about two months. Once the AF 1288 comes back signed, it goes back to your recruiter. The recruiter will have to put a separation date on your AF 1288. Picking this date is very important as I will discuss in a bit in my take-aways and how I would have done things differently if people actually knew what they were doing and gave me the correct information during this process. If you explore the IMA world from the ANG, expect that this will be the first time everyone is doing this and in the end, you're the one who can get screwed if it's not done correctly. 4. Once the 1288 is ready to go, the recruiter will submit it to HQ RIO/DET - X. Depending on what MAJCOM this IMA job falls under, that Detachment will vary. RIO/DET will review your application and send it to the hiring official after they review it. Keep in mind, you may have already had a hand-shake agreement that you have been hired into that position by the hiring official. If you haven't been hired, your application may just go into a pile with everyone else's. These IMA jobs may be a lot more popular than you may think so it is important to network and/or rush the unit. RIO/DET had my application for almost two months, which at the time, I was told was longer than usual, but apparently there was a hold up with their HARM reviewing my flying records. We're now at about the 4-1/2 cumulative month mark from when I began the process. 5. RIO/Det adds some things to your AF 1288 and will send the package back to your ANG unit's FSS. Your FSS will submit the separation package to ARPC. This happens through the new "myFSS" system, which at the moment, is a colossal train wreck (because vPC-GR was so broken, we had to change it, right?). Even though your 1288 got routed through your leadership for you to apply to get out of the ANG, your separation package will now be routing electronically through myFSS to your leadership again (at least through SQ and OG/CC's) for approval. Even though this should only take a few days, expect another month. 6. Once the package is signed by your leadership, FSS will submit it to ARPC. If there are any errors in your separation package, ARPC will kick it back (there were thanks to my FSS). This will delay the process more. 7. The ANG and Reserves like to play games with manpower numbers so depending on what time of year and what those numbers look like, they may not let you out until it's good for their PowerPoint presentations. Mine sat with a technician for three months. Depending on what separation date you put on your 1288, this could screw you. More about that below. 8. When my 1288 came back from RIO/Det earlier in the process, my FSS told me that once they submit the package to ARPC, it'd only be several weeks for an approval. Why I believed them, I don't know, but I did so when I chose my separation date, I picked one out ahead about a month. Well, the process took another six months. With each and every day that went by past my separation date, my separation was to be back-dated. The catch with this is that I could no longer do military duty with the ANG past this date and I could not do military duty with the AFRC yet prior to being gained, which meant I was pretty much in limbo. Depending on your points situation and your R/R date (which stays the same going from ANG to AFRC), you may back yourself into a corner getting your 50 points for a good year. Your 15 ANG membership points will be prorated based off your separation date. My recommendation is to set your separation date out further in the future and make sure you get 50 points for the year before you separate. I was already past my 20 year mark, but I'd still not want deal with not getting a good year. Also, if you are using Tricare Reserve Select, back-dating your separation will screw with that and DEERS as well because you may show a break in service for a while until the AFRC gains you (could be a week or more). Expect disrupted military email service, CAC certificate issues and you will come up "terminated" when they scan your CAC at the front gate. It will also not work at the commissary (but they let me shop anyway). I am also hearing "rumors" that approved reduced retirement applications that were done in vPC-GR are "lost in space" and especially so going from ANG to AFRC or vice-versa. I am in the process of trying to track mine down. It is no-where to be found in the new myFSS system and vPC-GR is gone. What is even sweeter is that ANG AROWS doesn't talk to AROWS-R and once you are separated from the ANG, you will no longer have access to your orders. So, it'd behoove you to download all of your orders from AROWS-ANG and store them somewhere safe (maybe multiple places) because you won't be able to get them. Ask me how I know. Of course, don't expect anyone to tell you this very valuable information at your unit or find it on any out-processing checklist (probably a good place for it). Luckily, I was able to talk my ANG FSS into downloading and emailing me all of my 200+ orders after I was separated. Don't expect the same treatment. More to follow....

political hay? ironic. considering the democrats had 3 fucking years to fix the border, but due to wanting to import new illegal voters decided against it. the border is MUCH worse under the democratic administration. they (you) have no room to bitch about ANYTHING border related. cowards.

That’s the only reason to be an airline pilot these days!

I think the problem is that dudes dont wanna join because we call it AETC. That's too many letters to be successful as a MAJCOM. Lets change it to ADC. That'll get them to join. What an absolute waste of time and resources. Good job big blue!

I'm more surprised anyone has that kind of money to spend on ammo! That's $250+ for 5.56...

Correct. Fly like a normal jet, but can be taken control of from the ground. I got a flight in the F-4…it was awesome: got my ass kicked in BFM by a Viper and eventually the 69 yr old guy on the ground took control for some maneuvering and then RTB and a pattern. Very cool nostalgic flight, but man I’m glad I never had to go to war in an F-4!

I had to google to see if you were kidding or not. Not, I see. Wow. Who knew changing the letterhead was so damn powerful! Imagine what they could accomplish if they changed the font, too! Also, this was a perfect chance to make it Airpeople!

You're describing my career exactly. Previous 62E. Late-to-rate. F-16s for approaching 18 years now. NBD. I would say don't worry about becoming an asset to your unit. There's good pilots, ok pilots, shitty pilots, great pilots...you get the idea. Don't buy into the AF's idea that you need to go to UPT the day after you commission in order to be somebody, because it's not true now, nor was it ever. The AF's ideal model of career progression is obsolete to those who believe it is; so believe it's obsolete, and it will be. Get 4ucked with that staff-tour talk though...for realz.

Neither do the Bobs. They'll leave the AF just as perplexed as they are today. Then, they'll join various defense contractors as board members/advisors to continue not solving said problems.

Lol, not anymore! Its Airmen Development Command, geez, get with the times 😂 /sarcasm God speed to anyone wanting a flying gig as a career nightcap. I know it’s not the same as manned flying, but Guard MQ-9 has been a fantastic second-half for me. Kill bad guys by day, sleep in my own bed every night. Ok to be fair sometimes those are reversed… Haven’t PCS’d in 10 years and don’t plan on needing to. Will promote twice in my Guard time and additional opportunities are likely to be there if I want them, or not. Washed-up O5 line flyer ain’t a bad gig if you can get it, and I’ve seen about half a dozen tread that path very, very successfully!

this is an informative addition to the thread. The fat guy challenges Tucker a bit on aspects of the interview discussed here, and agree or disagree with his answers, at least you have them from Tucker rather than internet speculation on his motivations.

i don't like it. where is the reference to our greatest strength? diversity!

Just dont spend your dough sports games that support this nonsense. The NFL, MLB, NBA and the like need fans more than we need them. I watched some of the 69ers vs the Queefs last night.. it's more of a spectacle than a sporting event. I don't know how people can follow that garbage.

Is yours actually going through? I submitted an updated application April of 2023 and mine still shows "work in progress." I'm retired now, but call out FSS Chief today to see if she can check into for me. I understand things can take a bit, but this is pretty excessive. Thankfully, I have about 17ish years (depending on what they say) to figure it out lol. That sucks to hear. I once knocked out 4 OPRs in about 2 days for a guy so he could have them for an airline interview. Long story on how he was missing 4 OPRs. But to your strat comment, are those sought after things within your old Guard squadron? I bet I could have queried all the pilots (non former AD guys anyway) if they know what a strat is and I bet less than 50% would know what I'm talking about and the other 50% would say strategy? Having only been at one Guard unit my whole career, it's always interesting to see how things are done differently out there. Funny story... I'm out in PHX hiking up camelback and get a call from an old college friend. I hadn't heard from her since college, but I knew she was in a high profile job at Delta, so I answered. She said, hey are you behind on OPRs (she's mil as well)? I'm thinking well that's a weird question to lead with after 20 years of never talking. I'm like, do you mean am I personally (I was)? She's says, no I mean is your wing behind on OPRs? I just laugh and say if it's not a year overdue, we're not worried about it. She laughs, and says that makes sense, thanks gotta go. I hang up like, what a weird conversation. Fast forward a few days, I'm back at the squadron and figure it all out. Turns out she was interviewing a squadron mate who didn't have his last OPR. She was just calling me to verify if his story checks out because the others on the board were asking and her base appears to be pretty strict on OPRs. Dude owes me lots of beer.

Post up a screen shot of your application

You guys are missing it…the AF is freaking out because of how much worse the forecast is wrt people getting out in the near future, not just because of how bad it is has been in the last 1-2 years. The only way this has any chance at working/providing any noticeable change (it probably won’t btw) is if enough people sign up to offset PCSs to other assignments which require long upgrades. For example, on the pilot side, if they could bring in a couple hundred prior T-6/38 IPs who only need a requal (or a full course with a lot of PAing) this would offset needing to send new C-17 ACs to a backed up PIT, where clearly a prior T-6 IP would do better. Now keep that C-17 pilot at their current base or PCS them to another C-17 base and the whole manning issue improved ever so slightly. This all being said, the AF screws up most things, especially when they’re trying to fix something…so I perceive things to get worse, not better. But they said diversity is our greatest strength so I think they should continue to focus their recruiting/retention efforts on DEI stuff while I cuddle up in my warm DD214 blanket.

I listened to the whole interview, good thing I like history. Of course, the cool kids who appear on Sunday morning news shows scream he is not a journalist but a traitor (to the class of people who are on the DC cocktail party circuit which he used to be part of). My 5 years at Andrews being the fly on the wall made me despise these people both parties. The question I want answered, who the hell is telling the truth? This Tucker interview came across my feed, now I'm scratching my head. Who do I believe, who did I serve, we all know Iraq was a lie.

first of all general chang is the finest flag officer i have had the privilege of knowing. his commitment to this country is ironclad. second, to answer your question, when retired service members see the recruiting numbers are in trouble, and the air force puts out a call to help, you are duty (dare i say honor) bound to put your civilian career aside and serve. you signed a oath for life and should honor that oath.

I put my application in last night. Raptor to Hurlburt or don't call me back.

My concern is far less about what politicians do but is much more concerned what they are/aren’t doing which equates to horrible policy—what they say matters because it’s is very connected to the policy. We’re not where we are as a country with horrible laws and executive orders that leaves a border wide open, allows criminals to attack police officers and be let go, a massive debt, laws that incentivize the breakdown of the family, policies encouraging young children to take dangerous gender changing medication or surgery…on and on…all just because “politicians just say a lot of stuff”.

The American population is inundated with propaganda on a daily basis - that’s what 95% of MSM and social media produces. So we should shut down the MSM and SM companies since the average American is incapable of sifting through all that bullshit? A nanny state with absolute control of information release to the public (other than classified obviously) is egregiously against every fiber of this country, and I cannot believe someone on here is advocating for that.

Yes, politicians say lots of stuff, they're playing to the crowd. It's what they do. But square all the BS with Bernie's position change. That is a hell of a change for someone who claims the socialism (very ideological) mantle. My point is that American politics is driven by tribalism at the moment. Anything that Red team says must be opposed by Blue team. Anything bad for Blue team is inherently good for Red team. Etc. No, wanting a secure border with orderly, legal immigration with numbers based on the needs of the country is not xenophobic. But xenophobia is a very common human tendency* and if you can't see Trump playing to that in his stump speeches from the 2016 era, I don't know what to say you. Yes he was mis-quoted by retard journalists to make it sound worse, but it was unnecessary. *If you've read Jonathan Haidt's work, openness vs not may be one of the underlying foundational political personality traits.

The larger lesson here is worth reiterating: Seeking information and listening to perspectives counter to your own experience are worthwhile and healthy no matter where you stand. And it helps sharpen your BS detector.

Kinda of an expansive definition to say talking to someone then letting others see it at their own choosing to view it or not is harmful to our national security Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You may have found it humorous, the rest of us were terrified. I still have no idea why Big Blue thought it was a good idea to bring back a UPT 65-14 grad.

A great post by TheNewGazmo. This is great info for anyone trying to go from ANG to AFRES. One other note for others. Being on a ANG promotion select list does not transfer over to the reserves. You must be pinned on (federally recognized) before transferring. Three big takeaways. 1. The process takes a long time. Plan accordingly. 2. Be sure to get your good points year in before your planned transfer date. 3. Be cognizant for any promotion window, board, pin on date etc.

How about we let civil authorities enforce civil laws? Why does the military establishment think it should add more punishment? If A1C Snuffy, MajGen Bigguns, and Joe Blow wallstreet analyst get DUIs, they should all pay the required fines and work the required community service. But that is where the punishment should end. If the civil authorities say that Mr. Snuffy can drive his car to work, why do we in the military only allow him to drive to the edge of the installation and then walk/bike the rest of the way? Mr. Blow can drive back and forth to work at his discretion. My frustration lies with the fact that I've had two individuals subordinate to me get DUI for partying on the weekend, driving and getting caught. They were both just barely over the limit. I do not think that fact exonerates them, but I want to demonstrate that they are not necessarily bad people and they don't have drinking problems. They made a bad choice and need to pay their debt to society. They did. In both cases, the civil court said that they could drive to and from work. We (the AF) however said not only could they not drive their cars on the base, but they could not drive military vehicles on the base. Both were pilots and both had to drive a car for their primary job. Yet, they could fly airplanes but not the car that follows the airplanes in line with their primary job. Asinine- Kuma

They have been. Despite a lower combined GDP, the Euro NATO countries are actually outspending us when it’s in our best interest not to get stuck solving the third European World War You guys can quit searching for excuses and just come out and say your reason for not supporting action in Ukraine is simply to be contrarian to the current party in charge. First it was “but mah border,” now it’s, “well Europe should pay first….” They already are. Also give a comparison in total dollars of mil equipment donated by us vs Ze Germans. For anybody familiar with how much equipment they have just lying around on hand they are punching well above their weight. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My apologies. Should have said "effectively veto'd" instead. Senate advances Ukraine aid bill despite Trump opposition | Reuters Regardless, I guess you can call me a pro-war bubba. I'll continue to be happy to side with Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. And, yeah, would have liked to see some US border security funding included in this bill. But, the grand master said all or nothing and so they had to go with nothing.

There is a deliberate separate Border bill that went through the Senate and is effectively torpedoed by the house to allow Political hay to be made out of it for the election. Congress had the opportunity to do something about the border separate of Ukraine and they are deliberately choosing not to. Don’t now use that to justify not supporting this action. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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