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I'm not sure what reporting you're looking at, but the shooter apparently was credibly engaged in a homosexual relationship with a same-sex individual who was "transitioning." Seems to me that latent homosexuality and the fact that he wasn't feeling accepted by a social movement that is growing in popularity - or rather rejected by a louder, and increasingly verbal group of right-wing people - is a likely motivating factor for this person taking his feelings and redirecting them outward in an act of extreme violence. Maybe they weren't in a relationship and the shooter was merely acting out of a perception that his friend needed his honor defended. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that people can have whatever upbringing you want, and can turn out poorly - the opposite is true as well. They can be raised by right-wing priests and turn out blue-haired nymphomaniacs. Or they can be raised by left-wing granola bars, and wind up Jehovah's witnesses. You and everyone else understands this. The sad part for all of us is that for a long time - a very long time - this country was getting along and moving in a great direction. Black culture was seemingly becoming less violent. Gays were winning (and have won) increased acceptance throughout all but the most backwater parts of our society. A generation of kids grew up playing together and not really caring about skin color or cultural differences, and so on and so on. Then, for whatever reason, that all seemed to change. I'm not sure why, but things were different. Not "I perceived that things were different," but actually different. Now, we are becoming less "liberal" and far less tolerant. I lament we are becoming less liberal (in the true sense of the word), but I think that becoming far less tolerant is probably good and necessary. I think it is largely due to forces on the Left that demanded ridiculous, insane, and frankly, deranged capitulations. See "men have periods / can become pregnant," "men should be allowed to compete in women's sports," "black people are hunted by cops," "COVID didn't leak from a lab," etc. Those are my priors and I think evidence supports all of them in varying degree. Jan 6th isn't happening dude. Sorry, it just isn't. It's not the Pearl Harbor or September 11th you wish it was. 25 years from now we're not going to be holding "Remember" ceremonies throughout our society. A few token dems might, but they'll be the only ones. In 69 years, we're not going to mark the "passing of the last survivor of the Jan 6th attack on the Capitol," except for maybe some future talking-head on MSNBC. What it was in objective reality was a massive gathering of right-wing individuals (that got wildly out of hand), but which was organized in RESPONSE to actual, government-sanctioned anarchy that was ushered in and actively encouraged by prominent left-wing leadership throughout multiple layers of our government. This includes presidential and vice-presidential candidates. It includes governors. It includes mayors. It includes senators. It includes congressmen and women. With our own eyes, we all saw the chaos begin to unfold starting in the Summer of 2020, and continue through to the election and inauguration of Joe Biden. It was the unstated TACTIC of the Democratic party, implemented in order to undermine Donald Trump. I'm not justifying Jan 6th, but let's also not pretend that it arose randomly and thus points at some underlying reality that the US is a KKK-style right-wing hellscape. That's all in your head dude. It happened because of COVID lock-downs and people getting bored. The dems saw an opportunity to re-focus this boredom into channels that applied pressure on fault lines within their many of their most favored political constituencies. They saw a political opportunity and capitalized on it. A cynical play for sure. You can see them trying the same playbook again, but it's not having quite the same success this time around. Probably because we're not all locked-down with nothing better to do...

Seeing staunch liberals lament doxing by conservatives on social media is truly ironic. Whether I agree with doxing or not it's hilarious to see a group of people that collectively champion cancel culture getting canceled themselves. Fortunately, those currently on the receiving end of the movement they created will no doubt see the error in their ways and we can all move away from this retardation /s.

This was a business decision. If one of your employees is saying or doing things that may hurt your business in one or more ways, you have every right to fire them. Jimmy Kimmel is a POS leftist elite, but he wasn’t fired directly for that, he was fired for being a threat to the success of the business based on his unacceptable rhetoric to the majority (and his ratings were declining). This is in no way a 1A violation, but rather we’re finally seeing consequences for people’s words/actions. He and everyone else is welcome to say horrible things and be a total POS without fear of gov persecution, but they will also be free to reap the consequences of those words dealt out by employers, individuals, etc.

Of course their assassinations were horrible and wrong. As for not posting about it, I don’t think most people (nationally) even know who those people were, whereas Charlie Kirk was definitely well known. And if you did an unsuccessful search for their names, why didn’t you post about it when it occurred? The point is what I don’t recall is a big conservative push to say how it was a good thing those state reps were killed—unless I missed something?

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Not me. The career paths those guys had are not the paths that I would want.

I don't care if the guy was trans, straight or gay. He fucked up bad and people celebrated it. Those people are the ones I'm concerned about.

I'll explain it. It's different because people on the right were calling for people to be doxxed for things that literally every sane person in the world agrees with - i.e. murdering people based on their beliefs is something that should not be tolerated. So yeah, let's dox those people in order to shame them and root out what is a sick and anti-social sect of people who for whatever reason seem to be gaining power in our country. On the other hand, people on the left were using doxxing as a means to impose a measure of social pressure and control on groups of people they would fear would speak out against their latest social fad / cause: all whites are racists, but Blacks cannot be racist; transgenderism is natural, etc, etc. In other words they're using doxxing to avoid having a conversation about what are controversial topics. In short, the right is using doxxing to preserve society and social norms. The left is using it to undermine society. See the difference? I will say fairly, that using doxxing to target bystanders (i.e. someone's family) is gross no matter what the circumstances. Sins of the father and all... And I'm not sure what your opinion is on nuclear weapons, but we wouldn't respond in-kind to NK with a bio or chem attack because we don't have those types of weapons anymore. But if NK used bio / chem in an appreciable way (not a couple shells here or there) that was going to turn the tide of battle in their favor, you better believe we'd pull out the nukes.

The FCC involvement in Kimmel getting fired is concerning. I'm not sure if that was what pushed everything over the edge, but it was a completely unnecessary interjection, and it is contrary to any conservative conception of what the government should be doing. I suspect ABC was just looking for a reason to cancel yet another of the dying-breed late night shows, but now because the FCC had to open his big stupid mouth, he turned to win into a a gaff. Also, I don't care how stupid the left is, and they are really stupid, if you are in a position of power in the government you should not be responding to journalists with memes

Funny how they say the intersection has been "targeted" for vandalism, instead of stating that the community had been "targeted" for forced celebration of an idea held by a small mentally unwell minority of the population.

Apples and oranges comparison. Trump’s stupid/unprofessional tweets are not the same, nor even a “slippery slope,” to someone’s tweet celebrating murder. I’m sure we agree on the cringe level of many Trump tweets, but they don’t even make the CF list in this debrief.

So how many retired guys here have their 'Rank' (Ret.) as their titles at their new job? Absolutely zero chance you would ever catch me referring to my retired military rank. He's the president of a huge university, isn't that enough? I had to go to his speech one time on active duty and walked away thinking "How does everyone not see right through this guy? That was nothing but dumb pandering and anyone that was motivated by that is probably dumb enough that we don't need him."

1. charlie kirk is nationally known. some state senators not so much. 2. his assassination was captured up close in graphic detail. 3. this is clearly a political assassination. i don't even know who killed the hortmans. did they ever publish a motive or find the killer? i honestly don't know. kirk's death is a visual symbol of a direct attack on the first amendment.

On that note, Pam Bondi - she is wildly off base and needs to get fired immediately. Biggest disappointment of all the major nominees.

It's very difficult for me to imagine a world/scenario where going back to that filthy shithole and dumping more of our blood and treasure into the dirt there would be a good idea.

My favorite thing to say in the cockpit when one of the boomers goes on an anti-millennial rant... "Uh, and who exactly bought the participation trophies?" Silence

You are entirely missing the point. yes, both sides have fruitcakes but the Dem fruitcakes are YOUR leaders. The videos I attached have one loon (Maxine Water that I would equate to Meregie Taylor Green, but the others are the leaders of the Democratic Party....the Speaker of the House and the Senate Minority Leader! Break Break There has a been a wave of backlash and firings, some posted here. A friend knows they guy compiling the big database that is tracking 20,000 people who made comments and are being targeted to lose their job. He said nearly half are teachers...the right has been saying for years, the fight has been in the schools and universities. They fired the EA to the Vice Chancellor at my son's college after some incredibly hateful words pots. Something to think about.

Should have just said the last part "our society is unwell" Looks like the assassin had a male-to-female trans partner...you know, like all Christian dudes. https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/ Sent from my SM-S918U using Baseops Network mobile app

So you can't be a progressive if you have conservative parents? The bullets didn't have MAGA forever written on them. Your forecasting history hasn't been great.

Sure thing tough guy. Probably because we have not had as many political assassinations in recent years. Also, Vance and Kirk were good friends. Finally, for close to half the nation, this was a significant emotional event. They tried to kill Trump twice, why should we be surprised. And when they did try to kill Trump, the left questioned if he was even shot instead of trying to calm things down. It is not just the media

The left has been pushing hate and rage for years, inciting violence constantly. This has culminated in a leftist (or at least someone who bought the left’s rhetoric to an extent) assassinating someone. Conservatives aren’t starting a war, the left started this war many decades ago, and they have really crossed the line now. We may be at a significant FAFO moment in our history - remains to be seen what that means in the coming weeks/months/years. Necessary disclaimer: the term “left” used above does not describe those that simply have liberal views on economics, healthcare, social services (e.g. welfare), etc. It describes those who hold views diametrically opposed to American/Christian values and seek to destroy those ideas and institutions. Examples are movements like Antifa and BLM, people who openly cheer, or at least tacitly support, murder of those they disagree with, etc.

I’ve never heard of the same type of scenario playing out, not to say it has never happened. That said, I’m not going to be upset about this or take it as a slight against military members, their sacrifice, etc. This tragedy is an extraordinary moment in our history, so it’s not a crazy notion to do things that treat/emphasize it as such.

Lovely. Part of the sadness I feel about asinine comments like these, is that they are driven by the stereotype of Charlie Kirk, and not the facts. All you have to do is watch a few of the clips from his "encounters" and you discover he was none of the nasty things he's being called right now. The level of ignorance-fueled hate is, as always, unbelievable - but expected from the left.

I never understood the allure, other than the fact she's pretty and Trump loves hiring pretty women. Trump was correct to hire cabinet heads who are aligned with his vision and ready to follow orders, but they need to be like Marco Rubio, not trying to mimic Donald Trump's bombast and hyperbole, and serve as the professional face of the administration. Rubio has been the surprise All-Star of this administration, and as long as he can maintain this balance, JD Vance is going to have strong competition for the nomination in a few years

Turns out when you suck, both in job performance and as a human, it may not work out for you. Should have happened long ago.

Kimmel got canceled. https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/disneys-abc-pulls-jimmy-kimmel-live-fcc-chair-blasts-hosts-charlie-kir-rcna232033

It was/is pretty embarrassing. Mine is chambered in .357. Was shooting it out at the range with a buddy of mine, he says “.38 is cheaper, I’ve got some, let’s put that through it.” First round doesn’t make it out of the barrel/just not enough oomph. I take it home and instead of just tapping the bullet out and calling it a day I decide I’m gonna field strip and clean after I’ve put a grand total of maybe 50 rounds through the thing. Random pieces just kept falling out the more I took it apart. YouTube videos weren’t overly helpful. After about the 300th “fuck” or “cocksucker” my wife told me to take a break. I’m probably gonna take it to a gunsmith, I just don’t think I have the patience.

I'm headed back next month for a re-attack. I'm take that under advisement.

PSA - If you ever find yourself thinking about disassembling a lever action hammer spring/strut, don’t do it! That’s 10 hrs of my life and at least 1000 variations of FUCK! I’ll never get back.

VIDEO: U.S. Military Strikes 2nd Narco Boat in Southern Command - USNI News Didn't see this already posted but it brightened my day

Just adding for info on how the Brits still do it, contractor/mil mix… https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/embraer-phenom-100-multi-engine-pilot-trainer-aircraft/?cf-view&cf-closed https://ascentflighttraining.com/aircraft-profiles-phenom-100/ From Google AI During multi-engine pilot training (MEPT) with the RAF, students receive a total of 67 hours of live flight time in the Phenom T1, along with 47 hours in a simulator. This training is delivered by 45 Squadron as part of the UK Military Flying Training System (MFTS) at RAF College Cranwell. The total flight hours for Phenom T1 students are split across two distinct phases of training: Phase 2 Multi-Engine Training: Students receive 14 live flight hours in the Phenom T1 and 14 synthetic (simulator) hours over six weeks. Phase 3 Multi-Engine Training: This phase, which lasts 35 weeks, provides students with an additional 53 live flight hours and 33 synthetic hours. https://ascentflighttraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/NFTE2024-Campus_Accreditation_Report-RAF_Cranwell-GBR-FINAL.pdf Only 5 jets but damn it if they can figure it out we can too

turns out I'm a Joneser

Not the stereotypical gen x, because they don't whine like that. Hell, he sounds more like an you-don't-understand-me millennial. I grow increasingly tired of having to listen to boomer airline captains complain about how bad the world is and how their kids are turning out liberal when it's the world that their generation created.

Pretty good flyby at Lambeau this week. Not real close up camera but they seemed right on time with fireworks (maybe 1 to 2 seconds late - nitpicking)

I don’t usually mention my Commodores in public until baseball season, but a win over a top 25 team is worth some kudos to them. They’re looking decent so far this year.

Still a boomer.

GMAFB? Funny you never asked the question the other way... George Clooney: The actor accompanied Biden on Air Force One in June 2024 for a major campaign fundraiser in Los Angeles. Julia Roberts: Roberts also flew with Biden for the star-studded Los Angeles fundraiser in June 2024. Jimmy Kimmel: The late-night host was a guest on Air Force One with Biden and other celebrities for the fundraiser event in Los Angeles. Sean McGarvey: A top union official, McGarvey was one of a group of union workers invited by Biden to tour the aircraft in September 2024

If Vance was on AF-2 the C-17 usually transports his limo’s and Secret Service Detail. Normal ops.

From a Delta bro… It’s possible that there might actually be appropriate actions for one’s consequences. What a novel concept.

If this ends up being another trans shooter, then I have to disagree. We've tolerated and enabled the delusions of mentally ill people, both trans-identifying and the homeless, for years. Now we are reaping the bitter rewards of this feel-good bullshit. More people will die. You can't tell the most unhinged people in your society that anyone who doesn't participate in their fantasy is trying to "unalive" them. Just like you can't tell them that their democracy is dying, or a literal tyranny is being imposed upon the people. These tragically unstable citizens do not have the ability to detect hyperbole. They are taking the political rhetoric literally, and acting in a purely logical fashion if you accept their initial premise. If anyone on this forum believed that we truly were close to losing our democracy, we all would have a very different relationship with our personal firearms.

The suspect in their killing had a list of pro-abortion figures, so yes, it was definitely political. I do not recall a single prominent conservative making excuses for or celebrating their murders.

Strongly oppose anything other than public disclosure of what they said out there for public consumption. Families should never be doxed (home info, relatives, etc). Make the owner of the words stand by them, but counter with more accurate and truthful words not violence (unless as someone outlined, self defense). I’m all for defending someone, if the perpetrator is intent on doing physical harm/death, with the use of copious amounts of deadly force.

Murder is bad...right? We are most definitely facing societal decline when murder is tolerated. People who condone murder should be labeled as terrorists.

The left is an unhinged cult. And to be clear, I’m not talking about the moderate dems who hold liberal beliefs on social services, health care, economics, etc. I’m talking about the large group on the left who cannot stand to hear someone doesn’t agree with them and subsequently wishes harm and ruin on them because of a differing opinion. That group is quite large. Time for people to wake up and actually hold these lunatics accountable for their rhetoric and actions.

The rot is deep in our society Leftist Military Members Justify Charlie Kirk’s Assassination: ‘FAFO’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/11/leftist-military-members-justify-charlie-kirks-assassination-fafo/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk