The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[pawnman]

11 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

https://www.rt.com/usa/521381-maxine-waters-brooklyn-center-curfew/
 

Maxine Waters shows up in MN encouraging people to be more confrontational.  

Of course the message to people can’t be to not commit aggravated robbery, not to break the terms of your release by being in possession of a weapon or to not flee while the police are lawfully arresting you.  Nope.  Can’t say any of that.  
 

I love how she says "I don't know what a curfew means"...then proceeds to tell the crowd what a curfew means.

And how she encouraged the rest of the crowd to break the curfew...then went home before the curfew kicked in.

I'm cynical enough to think she wants the cops to arrest protestors to continue to fuel her race-baiting politics.

[SurelySerious]

I love how she says "I don't know what a curfew means"...then proceeds to tell the crowd what a curfew means.
And how she encouraged the rest of the crowd to break the curfew...then went home before the curfew kicked in.
I'm cynical enough to think she wants the cops to arrest protestors to continue to fuel her race-baiting politics.

It seems to be the only political stance she has keeping her afloat.

[arg]

12 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

https://www.rt.com/usa/521381-maxine-waters-brooklyn-center-curfew/
 

Maxine Waters shows up in MN encouraging people to be more confrontational.  

Of course the message to people can’t be to not commit aggravated robbery, not to break the terms of your release by being in possession of a weapon or to not flee while the police are lawfully arresting you.  Nope.  Can’t say any of that.  
 

Didn't see that reported on CNN or MSNBC, wow. 

Is this inciting?

[dream big]

9 hours ago, arg said:

Didn't see that reported on CNN or MSNBC, wow. 

Is this inciting?

Why is she in MN? Shouldn’t she be addressing her failing district in LA? Oh wait, she doesn’t even live in her slum of a district. 

[M2]

 

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Chauvin trial judge says Maxine Waters' 'confrontational' protest remarks could fuel appeal

WASHINGTON — The judge in Derek Chauvin's murder trial in the death of George Floyd criticized recent comments by Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and said her words could be grounds for the defense to appeal a verdict.

The congresswoman, who has long been a lightning rod for criticism from the right, was already facing a torrent of Republican ire for her comments over the weekend urging protesters in Minnesota to “get more confrontational” if Chauvin is not convicted, with several GOP lawmakers calling for Waters' expulsion from Congress.

Chauvin's lawyer asked the judge to declare a mistrial over Waters' comments, arguing that she had prejudiced the jury. Judge Peter Cahill denied the request, but said that Waters' comments were "abhorrent" and that she may have handed the defense a lifeline anyway.

"I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned," Cahill said as arguments in the case concluded Monday and the jury began deliberations...

 

 

 

[Boomer6]

As much as I despise CNN...

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

As much as I despise CNN...

Yeah, I actually read that article. At first I was surprised, but then I got to the punch line: "What Waters did was wrong, but it wasn't as wrong as what Trump did." Strange way to criticize someone, by pointing the finger at someone else...

 

[arg]

And Nancy is defending Auntie Maxine

[kaputt]

I find it shocking and frankly downright scary, the amount of people in this country, including people in positions of power, that believe the burden of proving your innocence should fall on the defendant. 
 

 

[VMFA187]

Norfolk fires police lieutenant who donated to accused vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse (yahoo.com)

[kaputt]

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Norfolk fires police lieutenant who donated to accused vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse (yahoo.com)

So politicians and celebrities can give money to bail out rioters, but a cop can’t donate to someone’s legal defense. America, 2021. 
 

That being said, he should have used his brain a little more and not used a work related email. 

[Smokin]

On 4/18/2021 at 9:39 PM, arg said:

Didn't see that reported on CNN or MSNBC, wow. 

Is this inciting?

Exactly.  In a just society, she would not only be impeached but also actually spend time behind bars.  Her words will likely get people killed.  First Amendment doesn't cover this kind of incitement to violence.

[Alpharatz]

Wow..I hesitate to respond to this high quality crowd..but here goes.  To start, a fair number of officers are straight out of the military and tend to fit right in to the police system which at least profiles as a military operation in a lot of cases.  (I love the four star general police chiefs).  So...whatever "quality" problems exist likely existed in the military.  Except , of course a crew chief likely hasn't dragged a deceased kid out of a swimming pool recently or waded into a street fight alone on some freezing dark night.  I DID hear of a crew chief who manhandled a lead footed pilot who shredded a couple of tyres...unable to assess quality on that one.  Dealing with who knows what problems that John Q dredges up  on a daily  basis is a challenge of course,  but can also drain the personality pretty badly.  Being a patrol officer can turn a guy into a hard case over time.  And now with this increase in gun play nation wide one could get pretty hyper vigilant and quick on the draw or quick with a beat down or who knows?  I do find it curious that peeps who rarely if ever see the blood and guts misery and sadness that officers do and are paid to deal with yap about "quality".  

[uhhello]

Sam Harris had a great podcast with Rener Gracie who brought up some great ways forward in regards to police training

[Prozac]

11 hours ago, Alpharatz said:

Wow..I hesitate to respond to this high quality crowd..but here goes.  To start, a fair number of officers are straight out of the military and tend to fit right in to the police system which at least profiles as a military operation in a lot of cases.  (I love the four star general police chiefs).  So...whatever "quality" problems exist likely existed in the military.  Except , of course a crew chief likely hasn't dragged a deceased kid out of a swimming pool recently or waded into a street fight alone on some freezing dark night.  I DID hear of a crew chief who manhandled a lead footed pilot who shredded a couple of tyres...unable to assess quality on that one.  Dealing with who knows what problems that John Q dredges up  on a daily  basis is a challenge of course,  but can also drain the personality pretty badly.  Being a patrol officer can turn a guy into a hard case over time.  And now with this increase in gun play nation wide one could get pretty hyper vigilant and quick on the draw or quick with a beat down or who knows?  I do find it curious that peeps who rarely if ever see the blood and guts misery and sadness that officers do and are paid to deal with yap about "quality".  

Another thing policing and the military have in common is service. When you get paid with tax dollars, the public has every right to “yap about quality”. Seems to be a common theme that the bad apples forget that they work for the people they are policing, not the other way around. 

[HeloDude]

6 hours ago, Prozac said:

Another thing policing and the military have in common is service. When you get paid with tax dollars, the public has every right to “yap about quality”. Seems to be a common theme that the bad apples forget that they work for the people they are policing, not the other way around. 

Sounds like quite a few of the politicians in the country...yet they remain in place.  

[Lord Ratner]

I spent hours looking at what was presented in the Chauvin trial. If not a single juror could find reasonable doubt to any of the charges brought against Chauvin, we have a real problem with media influence. I was in the "lock him up" group until recently. Now I can't help but wonder if the media is intentionally focusing on cases that are "questionable" in order to further divide the population. Michael Brown, George Zimmerman, and now Floyd. Either outright fabrications or very difficult to parse, but never clearly racist murders. Those cases seem to just fade into the noise.

 

This man had 3 times the fatal dose of fentanyl in his system. Plus meth. He was foaming from the mouth, a clear symptom of Fentanyl overdose. "I ate too many drugs." Saliva covered pills in the back of the police cruiser. The prosecution witnesses were almost comically irrelevant in the first couple days, yet they were permitted to take the stand. The MMA "effort" witness was a joke. The prosecution's own witnesses confirmed the validity of the restraint method used by Chauvin. The paramedics had to drive three blocks away before administering first aid because of the angry crowd. The video showing Floyd fight his way out of the cop car, already screaming that he couldn't breath (also a symptom of Fentanyl and meth overdose). 

 

Innocent? Who knows. But not a single reasonable doubt?

 

Between holding the trial in Minneapolis, a sitting congresswoman calling for increased confrontation, the mayor saying the police are at fault regardless of the verdict, and the judge failing to sequester the jury until the end, I hope his appeal judges have more courage than the jury did.

 

I don't suspect this is going to do any favors to the rapidly rising murder rate in America. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Lord Ratner

[lloyd christmas]

5 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Between holding the trial in Minneapolis, a sitting congresswoman calling for increased confrontation, the mayor saying the police are at fault regardless of the verdict, and the judge failing to sequester the jury until the end, I hope his appeal judges have more courage than the jury did.

Don’t forget that the city paid the Floyd family 27 million dollars during jury selection.  2 jurors were removed at that point if I remember correctly.  

What I don’t understand is the racial component.  All of the civil unrest is fueled by the narrative that, once again, we have a white cop killing a unarmed black man because he was black.  That’s all our President and Vice President spoke of during their remarks.  Most of the high profile race baiters were standing with Floyd’s family during their presser. It’s talked about so much that people don’t even question it.  In reality, there is zero evidence at all that this was racially motivated.  There were no hate crimes alleged or charged.  The prosecution said it was Chauvin’s ego that killed Floyd.  Even with zero evidence of a racially motivated crime it’s the center of the focus of everything you hear.  

I thought Biden and Harris’s comments were some of the most irresponsible comments ever made by someone at their level.  I really do.  It adds fuel to country that is already incredibly divided.  It completely erased any efforts - which they haven’t made - to bring the country together and to heal.  It adds a ton of weight to the anti cop narrative being pushed.  Not to mention, it gives credibility to those race hustlers who push these false narratives. 

Chauvin’s actions were inexcusable.  Focusing on a made up racial component of the situation takes the thought and energy away from the legitimate police reform we should be focusing on, like more funding and more training.  

[NKAWTG]

With the threat of my town burning down, and the implied doxing of my family by the prosecutor's office, it would be hard not to convict.  This is still in the first inning though.

Do the other 3 officers take a plea deal, knowing they can't get a fair trial?

Does the prosecutor even offer a plea deal knowing he has a guaranteed conviction?

Is the nation in a saner place that the appeals court can rule fairly?

Does the appeals court even bother since the jury came to the "politically correct" conclusion?

Do Antifa, BLM and Mad Maxine repeat their terroristic threats at the next trial, or in Atlanta at Garret Rolf's trial?

[TreeA10]

How the jury found no reasonable doubt is really stunning. 
 

The continuing fallout from this is not going to be pretty  Police are already declining to interact with certain communities and violent crime and homicide numbers are up. Murders are up 30% in blue cities. What rational person would decide to risk prison for responding to a drug addicted, multiple felon?  Law enforcement officers are going to elect to do nothing as the preferred course of action and those communities are going to suffer more than they are now. 

[SocialD]

16 minutes ago, TreeA10 said:

How the jury found no reasonable doubt is really stunning. 
 

The continuing fallout from this is not going to be pretty  Police are already declining to interact with certain communities and violent crime and homicide numbers are up. Murders are up 30% in blue cities. What rational person would decide to risk prison for responding to a drug addicted, multiple felon?  Law enforcement officers are going to elect to do nothing as the preferred course of action and those communities are going to suffer more than they are now. 

 

Did anyone really believe he would get a fair trial or impartial jury?  Dude was good as guilty before the opening statements started.  He'd have been better off fleeing the country.  

 

To your second comment, I've already witnessed this happen locally.  Quite a few of our part timers are LEOs and many of them are seeking full time employment on base right now.  One of them in OPS just took a stripe off to get a position.  They all say the same thing, it's getting worse wrt the aggressive interactions and you're just one edited video away from being fired or put in prison.  Even before all of this, the stories these guys would tell you were ridiculously eye-opening.  They deal with a segment of society that many don't belive exists.  

[uhhello]

5 hours ago, SocialD said:

 

Did anyone really believe he would get a fair trial or impartial jury?  Dude was good as guilty before the opening statements started.  He'd have been better off fleeing the country.  

 

To your second comment, I've already witnessed this happen locally.  Quite a few of our part timers are LEOs and many of them are seeking full time employment on base right now.  One of them in OPS just took a stripe off to get a position.  They all say the same thing, it's getting worse wrt the aggressive interactions and you're just one edited video away from being fired or put in prison.  Even before all of this, the stories these guys would tell you were ridiculously eye-opening.  They deal with a segment of society that many don't belive exists.  

NYC even went as far to remove any form of contact/interaction with the chest when attempting to subdue.  Sam Harris podcast goes into detail how they removed the last few barriers between subduing someone and using taser/lethal force.  NYC is fucked.  

[TreeA10]

Listening to a podcast on my way home from the airport and it's been estimated than "the Ferguson effect", I.e. the pullback by law enforcement as a result of the Michael Brown shooting, led to 1000 to 6000 more deaths since it  happened.  The carnage is going to be worse going forward. 

[pbar]

9 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

Listening to a podcast on my way home from the airport and it's been estimated than "the Ferguson effect", I.e. the pullback by law enforcement as a result of the Michael Brown shooting, led to 1000 to 6000 more deaths since it  happened.  The carnage is going to be worse going forward. 

Can't get people to give up their liberties and freedom if they feel safe....

[VMFA187]

Virginia Dept. of Ed moves to end accelerated math classes for 'equity': 'Not an exaggeration' - Washington Times

Virginia looking to completely remove all accelerated math classes until 11th grade.

Curious how this is going to effect women and minorities in STEM...

This is starting to become the second version of Orwell's 1984.