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  1. Maybe because they were banned by Congress from even studying the issue: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment
  2. Not true. While the vaccines are no longer considered to provide the near total immunity that seemed so promising during initial trials, they are still effective lowing your chances of contracting covid. The talking point of right wing media has been that "well you CAN still get COVID after being vaccinated, so what's the point?" They are being disingenuous and fail to mention that while possible, breakthrough infections are still relative rare, even with Delta. So while you MAY be able to contract and spread the disease after being vaccinated, you are FAR les likely to than an unvaccinated person. https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-variant-vaccine While research suggests that COVID-19 vaccines are slightly less effective against the variants, the vaccines still appear to provide protection against severe COVID-19. For example: Early research from the U.K. suggests that, after full vaccination, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 88% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. The vaccine is 96% effective at preventing severe disease with the COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. The research also showed that the vaccine is 93% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 virus caused by the alpha variant. Early research from Canada suggests that, after one dose, the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine is 72% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. One dose of the vaccine is also 96% effective at preventing severe disease with the COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant. The Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 85% effective at preventing severe disease with the COVID-19 virus caused by the delta variant, according to data released by Johnson & Johnson.
  3. This is a result of people intentionally giving you a limited piece of the information. Your concern might be a valid one if it existed in a vacuum. However you are 1: Far less likely to get COVID if you have been vaccinated and 2: If you do get a breakthrough infection, you are likely to have a much smaller viral load and will be contagious for a shorter period of time.
  4. My response was less directed at you personally and more at what seems to be a prevalent attitude on the right. I didn't intend to attribute those positions to you personally, but I realize my post could be construed as such. To be perfectly honest though, I meant it to be somewhat inflammatory. I think 600+K deaths makes masks and vaccinations a pretty small sacrifice for most of us. I think many of you are drawing your "line in the sand" in a completely ridiculous place. For me, that line is somewhere past mask mandates, but well before Australian style indefinite lockdown.
  5. Yep. We’d be much better off if no one let the gub’mint influence their decisions. Stop signs? Ha! No one’s gonna stop my liberty! Speed limits? Fuck that. There should be no limits on MY freedom motherfuckers! DUIs? This is the US of A goddamnit! If red blooded freedom lovers can’t drink and drive here, where can they? We should be setting the example for the rest of the free world. Somewhere there’s a line between shitting on your freedoms and common sense rules and laws.
  6. Good luck. Kiwis are worse than the Aussies. Currently enjoying their bubble, completely isolated from the outside world. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re still completely cut off 24 months from now.
  7. The Aussies have gone off the deep end WRT COVID. Airline crew laying over in SYD are literally escorted to their hotel rooms by armed guards. The country mishandled vaccine rollout badly and has no viable plan to open its economy back up anytime within the next year. People there were lulled into a false sense of security by low case loads pre-delta. Now that Delta is running rampant, they’re shocked by their own lack of planning.
  8. Any reason you can’t get one on the economy? Stationed overseas?
  9. Eagerly awaiting the real life Grand Theft Auto videos that will undoubtedly ensue as these guys try to teach themselves to operate all their new toys.
  10. Not arguing your sources are wrong, just that they don’t support the argument you are trying to make. Go back and read what I wrote. Dr. Bagadonuts professing his personal opinion to CNN does not equal the overall consensus of the medical establishment.
  11. Again, "medical professionals" spans a wide range of individual experience, political viewpoints, religious viewpoints, etc. I don't think it's exactly news that there were some medical professionals that held the controversial viewpoint that protests of any kind were worth the COVID risk. I'm sure there were doctors and nurses that also believed anti-lockdown protests were well worth the risks. That's not the same thing as the CDC, NIH, or Surgeon General making an official statement on the matter. You seem to like to take the fight into the weeds when the real argument is at 30K feet.
  12. I completely agree that we need to go to great efforts in order to keep our economy open and running. If only there was an easy, relatively cheap, safe, and effective way to treat a disease that has killed hundreds of thousands and has the potential to sicken and kill many more, all while keeping main street open. Hmmmmmm 🤨
  13. Last time I checked, one of the tenets of Western medicine is that we don't make morality judgements when deciding who to treat. I kind of prefer it that way. Here's my answer to your old age example: It depends on what he died of. Old age? Well, kinda hard to argue with that one, but if he was murdered we wouldn't just say "well he was about to die anyway" and then decline to investigate and prosecute the murder.
  14. How many dead Americans does that equal if we allow everyone to be exposed to the virus organically? I don't know the answer, but in many communities even limited outbreaks have lead to morgues and hospitals being overwhelmed. So while the statistical odds of death and hospitalization may seem slim, letting the virus "run its course" will lead to many, many, otherwise preventable deaths. How many dead Americans are we willing to accept? A million? Two million? More? Are we willing to sacrifice the old and the overweight who would continue to live if not for COVID in the name of Darwinism? If so, why bother treating any disease? Nature selected you for cancer/heart disease/stroke....sorry, not sorry, only the strong survive! Some of you seem ok with that position, but that is not the society I want to live in.
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