The Next President is...

[M2]

9 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Father uses vulgar insult during holiday call with President Joe Biden

"Biden responded by repeating the phrase. "Let's go, Brandon," he said. "I agree."

Was it in poor taste?  Yes.

Should Biden be spared the same attacks Trump had to endure?  Hell no!

[uhhello]

38 minutes ago, M2 said:

Was it in poor taste?  Yes.

Should Biden be spared the same attacks Trump had to endure?  Hell no!

At some point you need to differentiate yourself from the "other side" right?

[Sim]

1 hour ago, M2 said:

Was it in poor taste?  Yes.

Should Biden be spared the same attacks Trump had to endure?  Hell no!

 

[SpeedOfHeat]

6 hours ago, Negatory said:

 

Fixed that for you, buddy. Gotta love when bullies on both sides play the victim.

Exactly. 

"F Trump" in 2016-2020 was met with "How dare they insult the POTUS that way???"

And mods on this site warned military members about criticizing the POTUS.  

Then, no more than 2 months into the Biden Presidency, it's "F Joe Biden," and the same mods joining in.   ...Gee, what changed?

Total hypocrites. 

BOTH Trump and Biden are absolutely terrible and a disgrace.  Why not at least be consistent? 

Edited December 28, 2021 by SpeedOfHeat

[ClearedHot]

12 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Exactly. 

"F Trump" in 2016-2020 was met with "How dare they insult the POTUS that way???"

And mods on this site warned military members about criticizing the POTUS.  

Then, no more than 2 months into the Biden Presidency, it's "F Joe Biden," and the same mods joining in.   ...Gee, what changed?

Total hypocrites. 

BOTH Trump and Biden are absolutely terrible and a disgrace.  Why not at least be consistent? 

So much nonsense with this post.

First, by nature of being office people are going to say some nasty things about you, par for the course.  I think the issue many had was just how far the negative stuff against Trump went.  I know some horrible things were said about Obama but I don't recall any pictures of famous people holding his severed head.  Regardless, when did the mods stop people from saying negative things about Trump?

Second, warning military members is completely valid.  Volunteering to serve means you surrender some of you basic rights as an American including parts of the 1st Amendment.  The perceived anonymity of the internet some times causes people to skirt the line and thus the legality of their service. 

Third, and most importantly, a large portion of the mods are no longer in the service and have the full protection of the Constitution to say things like F*** Joe Biden. 

Trump is a horrible human but in my opinion as a President he did a FAR better job than Biden.  He endured a full onslaught form the mainstream media, the same media that is holding up this empty meatbag of President Brandon.

[dream big]

In other news, Joe Biden finally admits there is no federal solution to Covid and that it should be handled at the state level.  So this means all the federal mandates will go away right? That’s kind of how this is supposed to work? 

[DFRESH]

19 minutes ago, Justonethought said:

This entire forum and website used to allow pilots to throw crap at each other and think about it, really consider what is being said.  Not so much any more.  Just look at your webdata and metrics, I am sure it is declining.  The ad dollars willing to be paid will follow.  Goodbye.

What exactly makes you think you can't throw crap at each other here any more? 

[brickhistory]

Biden 2020:  I have a plan to shut down the virus.

Biden 2021:  The states have to solve this.

Also Biden:  I'm mandating everyone in the executive branch get a vaccine.  As well as everyone who works at a company with more than 100 employees.  And anyone who has a federal contract. 

But not any illegal aliens who cross the border.  Or Afghans that I let in with no screening.  
If the mandate was such a great idea, why not go the full monty and make it nationwide/everybody?

I hope SCOTUS hands him his ass.  But I'm not sure they will.  Thanks, John Roberts!

Latest trial balloon is the vaccine will be required to travel interstate.

Again, hello, SCOTUS?

[Sim]

2 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Biden 2020:  I have a plan to shut down the virus.

Biden 2021:  The states have to solve this.

[kaputt]

The only benefit of Twitter is that it is an absolute gold mine of political incompetence and foot in mouth moments. 

I can't believe we're only at a year of this clown show. 

[ClearedHot]

[brickhistory]

15 hours ago, kaputt said:

 

I can't believe we're only at a year of this clown show. 

For that dementia patient, it probably still feels like the first week a la "Fifty First Dates."

But at least there are no mean tweets.  Of course, he couldn't figure it out to send one, but still...

[M2]

23 hours ago, kaputt said:

I can't believe we're only at a year of this clown show. 

Same circus, different clowns!

Although I will admit when it comes down to actually being a productive president, I think the last clown did a better job of it!

 

[kaputt]

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"Was it wrong to consider inflation transitory? These price spikes seem like they’re going to be with us for a while," Brennan asked.

"We have to address the fact that we have got to deal with the fact that folks are paying for gas, paying for groceries, and are -- need solutions to it. So let's talk about that," Harris said. "Short-term solution includes what we need to do around the supply chain, right? So, we went to the ports of Los Angeles, Long Beach, Savannah, Georgia, and said, 'Hey, guys, no more five days a week, eight hours a day; 24/7, let's move the products because people need their product – they need what they need.' We're dealing with it in terms of the long term. And that's about what we need to do to pass Build Back Better. It strengthens our economy." 

Absolute gem from our Vice President. Real solid leadership right here. Also, how's the border?

And still 3 more years to go, at least...

 

[brickhistory]

I'm putting this here since this is the main political thread, but it could easily go in the WTF thread or numerous others:

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4995564/senator-cruz-questions-fbi-official-ray-epps-role-january-6

 

Cruz to senior FBI official:  "Did the FBI have any agents or confidential informants in the crowd on January 6th?

Answer:  "Sir, I can't answer that."

 

Why not?

[tac airlifter]

3 hours ago, brickhistory said:

ICruz to senior FBI official:  "Did the FBI have any agents or confidential informants in the crowd on January 6th?

Answer:  "Sir, I can't answer that.”

Why not?

Because they did.  It’s the obvious answer.

[Guest nsplayr]

Would it be better for them to reveal sources and methods in an open, televised hearing?

Or is it better if the FBI *didn’t* have any informants or undercover folks reporting on groups that, IDK, literally overwhelmed the police and broke into the seat of government trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power

What tac said above is pretty evident, and I for one am glad…it’s literally the FBI’s job to do that kind of stuff.

IMHO Proud Boys, III Percenters, Neo-Nazis, no-shitter revolutionary commies, domestic environmental terrorists, cartel hombres, anarchists, ISIS wannabes, etc., run back to your holes, fuck off, and check your 6, someone is probably wearing a wire.

Edited January 12, 2022 by nsplayr

[Sim]

12 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Would it be better for them to reveal sources and methods in an open, televised hearing?

 

[ClearedHot]

15 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Would it be better for them to reveal sources and methods in an open, televised hearing?

Or is it better if the FBI *didn’t* have any informants or undercover folks reporting on groups that, IDK, literally overwhelmed the police and broke into the seat of government trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power

What tac said above is pretty evident, and I for one am glad…it’s literally the FBI’s job to do that kind of stuff.

IMHO Proud Boys, III Percenters, Neo-Nazis, no-shitter revolutionary commies, domestic environmental terrorists, cartel hombres, anarchists, ISIS wannabes, etc., run back to your holes, fuck off, and check your 6, someone is probably wearing a wire.

Meh...you are dodging the issue or maybe you didn't watch what happened?  Of course we want the FBI chasing these idiots back to their caves, but we are still a country of law and some VERY shady shit happened.

"How many FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events of Jan. 6?" Cruz asked. Sanborn said in response that she could not discuss "the specifics of sources and methods" of the FBI.  Ok, valid discussing sources and methods is something we have to protect, although I don't think it was a big secret that the FBI had people in the crowd. 

HOWEVER:

Cruz then broadened his question by asking if any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the riot.

"Sir, I can’t answer that" Seriously?!?!?!  You think this is a source and method?

Cruz then asked if any agents or confidential informants committed crimes of violence on Jan. 6. When he received the same answer, he asked if any agents or confidential informants "actively encouraged" crimes of violence on Jan. 6.

"Sir, I can’t answer that."  Come on brother, you have to know this is wrong.

I am really curious to hear how you think the is a legal method that needs to be protected?

 

[Guest nsplayr]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I am really curious to hear how you think the is a legal method that needs to be protected?

Because sources and methods discussions don’t need to happen on unclassified environments. “Broadening the question” is often talking around what is legit classified for good reason. Sen. Cruz, with legit oversight authority, I’m sure can ask those questions in an appropriate setting and get more robust answers. 

The FBI is certainly not above reproach re: shady stuff, but I tend to give the federal LEOs the benefit of the doubt most of the time before getting all conspiratorial 🤷‍♂️

Is the potential charge here that what, the FBI entrapped people and actively led them to storm the building? There’s ample evidence that many of the perpetrators were there of their own accord and having a grand time with it all, at least based on their extremely unwise live social media streams from inside the building haha. The FBI thanks them for their generous cooperation. 🇺🇸

Edited January 12, 2022 by nsplayr

[pawnman]

22 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

 

The FBI is certainly not above reproach re: shady stuff, but I tend to give the federal LEOs the benefit of the doubt most of the time before getting all conspiratorial 🤷‍♂️

I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. They've overstepped bounds and done "shady stuff" too many times for me to trust them based on the FBI name. 

Additionally...if the FBI had folks in the crowd trying to get the crowd to storm the capitol, who will not face any charges...doesn't that diminish any rhetoric about trying president Trump for encouraging the crowd to storm the capitol? After all...he was the head of the executive branch. If we think people acting on his behalf were in bounds to exhort that sort of action, why would it be out of bounds if the president did it?

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Because sources and methods discussions don’t need to happen on unclassified environments. “Broadening the question” is often talking around what is legit classified for good reason. Sen. Cruz, with legit oversight authority, I’m sure can ask those questions in an appropriate setting and get more robust answers. 

The FBI is certainly not above reproach re: shady stuff, but I tend to give the federal LEOs the benefit of the doubt most of the time before getting all conspiratorial 🤷‍♂️

Is the potential charge here that what, the FBI entrapped people and actively led them to storm the building? There’s ample evidence that many of the perpetrators were there of their own accord and having a grand time with it all, at least based on their extremely unwise live social media streams from inside the building haha. The FBI thanks them for their generous cooperation. 🇺🇸

You are trying to chaff the question.

#1.  Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the riot?

#2.  Did any agents or confidential informants committed crimes of violence on Jan. 6?

#3.  Did any agents or confidential informants "actively encouraged" crimes of violence on Jan. 6?

Those are not methods, those are CRIMES.

 

[Guest nsplayr]

I imagine the answer is no to all of those, but the witness did not want to dance around sources and methods in an open hearing so they decided to decline to answer anything IVO the topic. Sen. Cruz should ask the same questions in a classified session if he thinks it’s that important.

If you think there’s something more nefarious, ok; I do not.

Many people that entered the Capitol on Jan 6th 2021 have already pleaded guilty of crimes, and I at least have a pretty clear memory of who was encouraging that angry mob to head down to the Capitol and take action in the first place.

[VMFA187]

@nsplayr, no these questions should be asked where the public can bear witness. If there are sources that were involved then perhaps they should be revealed. There are no "methods" that could be divulged from answering those questions. 

No? You don't think that everything that happens is a power play by someone? I'm sorry to tell you, but you are incredibly naive. 

 

[Lawman]

[mention=5271]nsplayr[/mention], no these questions should be asked where the public can bear witness. If there are sources that were involved then perhaps they should be revealed. There are no "methods" that could be divulged from answering those questions. 
No? You don't think that everything that happens is a power play by someone? I'm sorry to tell you, but you are incredibly naive. 
 

I’m sure roles reversed with a Democratic Senator demanding to know if any federal agency elements were in place during a riot as a BLM member would be totally legit to the same people complaining about Cruz and others questions.

If FBI agents had been say active members in encouraging the CHAZ riots it would of course be a problem.


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