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The Iran thread
In the spirit of honest debrief and as this quick intervention enters its sixth month, I thought it would be fun to make a little report card courtesy of our AI overlords. Prompts are included in the screenshots for full transparency. If you don't like it.. sorry.. I just asked the robot (chat gpt-5) the questions
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The Iran thread
The border thing is a pretty big oversimplification, because ultimately any modern dem admin being in power signals to would-be illegal immigrants that enforcement will be lax. This is a nationwide problem with the democrats and it creates incentives both here and overseas. I don't think a VP can just magically undo that even if they wanted to (she didn't want to) but saying simply that Kamala screwed the border up isn't seeing the whole picture. She didn't make it any better but the responsibility for the problem lies with far more people than just her. As a side note, It was also Biden's weakest issue that was going to be most difficult to solve so, like many presidents do, he put the VP on it to attempt to shift accountability. Kinda like Trump sending poor JD out to pitch the dogshit MOU. But I'm not here to argue about border policy specifics. The dems all suck on the border.. that isn't at all unique to Kamala. My point is that the loons gaining power now are identical to Kamala on border policy (or lack thereof) while being way more extreme on foreign and economic policy.
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Not to say I told you so but in the last 24 hours while you guys were laying down sick burns on me about how I just don’t understand Kamala’s degree of progressiveness.. precisely what I said we’d see more of just happened in the Michigan dem senate primary. The fully anti-Israel / DSA adjacent / Islamist candidate just beat out the establishment, AIPAC-backed, Israel first, sitting congresswoman and absolute ghoul, Haley Stevens. So yes, like I said the backlash is here and I hope you guys are emotionally ready to deal with it because more is coming. The wave of radical leftist loons that are about to capitalize on Trump’s historic buffoonery are gonna make a Kamala look like a neocon by comparison
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This is all pretty run of the mill leftist social justice stuff. I know you don’t like any of it and neither do I but most are 80/20 issues that are easy to combat. It’s also clearly chum thrown out to the far left during an election cycle. We don’t have to guess what she’d do in office, she was already an AG and the VP and wasn’t remotely this extreme. Candidates say all kinds of stuff to get support and then do the total opposite.. reference Trump saying no new wars. How’d that one turn out 😂 Judging by actions Kamala is a low aptitude low ability establishment dem. But instead of getting that admin waffling around for 4 inconsequential years we get Trump curb stomping rakes on a daily basis and he’s gonna hand the country to the far left’s true believers, some of whom have a scary level of talent
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Maybe we witnessed different versions of Kamala but I saw her as a mostly establishment dem with a touch more intersectionality and word salad than usual. She would’ve supported Ukraine, Israel (not to the extent of launching a full war for them but just kept the status quo,) generally left the economy alone, done dick all with the border and probably done some annoying woke stuff that wouldn’t have amounted to much. But now because of Trump we have actual far left loons gaining popularity. Like nut job DSA price controls/government run grocery stores/racial reparations/BDS level loons. People who think illegal immigrants should vote or who think Israel should actually be exterminated rather than just not actively supported. That’s what’s coming. You can call it a future hypothetical if you want but it’s already manifesting in state and local elections. So I don’t really buy the argument that avoiding 4 years of an establishment dem was a win if the way we did it was through a guy that radicalized and galvanized the left even further to the far far left and then we get stuck with those crazier folks in charge further down the road. Virtually every ‘good thing’ you think Trump has done was an executive order so it can and will all be undone on day one. If we want an actual counter to the radical left the right needs to put forward a competent and sane product, preferably one that’s also not morally abhorrent and just a constant cringe-fest. I’m not asking for the world here.. just a regular ass republican. They’re out there. We’ve had them before and we can have that again and I’m tired of pretending we needed to detonate the entire political system to fix it when all it’s going to accomplish is handing more power to the far left later on.
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@Lord Ratner I get it that you think trump is the lesser of two evils but has it entered your calculus at any point that he's driving people TO the left, and the very people you're so worried about are gaining momentum precisely because of trump? He's prosecuting the least popular war in American history and has lower approval ratings than post-Katrina Bush. I'm not usually a big polls guy so I only bring it up to point out that when you torpedo your own side in historic fashion you drive popularity on the other side. Or is it just a wild coincidence that DSA candidates are suddenly gaining popularity and winning right as we go on the biggest neocon bender in a generation while also not addressing any of the kitchen table issues he was elected on? Seems like we're all really good at identifying the inevitable knee jerk reaction of the voting populace when the dems act crazy and hand republicans the win.. like that time they did insane woke race shaming, shoved trans down everyone's throats, subbed in Kamala at the last second, and tried to astroturf that she was "Brat" and "Joy." But can we be honest with ourselves and admit when the republicans are doing the same exact thing? I get it, you can hold your nose and look past the mean tweets, the AI jesus slop, the pornstars, the hundreds of pics with epstein, the personal enrichment from shilling shitcoins to your own voters, the sexual assault allegations, and the incoherent foreign policy merry-go-round because somehow to you it's better than the alternative. Thats your prerogative. But aren't those things exactly what's going to drive people to vote for the alternative?
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No sorry it went pretty much exactly how I thought it would go. -50% deflection/appeals to "media narrative" or "librul media" -30% arguments that genuinely make no sense -10% semantic technicalities -10% reluctant agreement -and a bonus cherry on top of a little more security clearance dick measuring But I will say one thing positive thing. Bravo on the formatting. This is wayyy better than our norm here of blowing up the thread with mega posts that have a dozen sub quotes and responses. Collapsible quote format is genius. Am I taking crazy pills or was midnight hammer not chapter 1 in this whole stupid story? Lets review. Midnight hammer happened in June of 2025. 3 months after that statement. Not a year. After that operation we claimed we "obliterated" their nuclear program. So you're going to look at me with a straight face and say that after we assessed they weren't building a nuke, and then we subsequently "obliterated" the nuke they WEREN'T building... "things changed" ... and 9 months after that not only are building a nuke but the threat was even more imminent than before we obliterated the program? And then how do you square that argument with this one: So they weren't building a nuke.. then we attacked them a whole bunch.. and "things changed" and now they are building a nuke.. but don't worry this isn't a more hardline regime. Please make it make sense. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ And then I just had to include this one. Reminds me of when somebody in here claimed the strait wasn't closed because like 5% of normal traffic was making it through. Just straight up semantic bs completely dodging the core argument. okay you got me dude, we signed a dogshit Memorandum of Understanding, not a dogshit deal. ..that trump got promptly ripped for by all sides including the zionists because of how comically lopsided and poorly worded it was in Iran's favor. Is nitpicking "deal" vs. "memo" really getting to the crux of the issue here? Hmmm lemme see if I can rephrase: why was the MEMO we signed so favorable to Iran? Could that possibly shed some light on our relative negotiating positions at the time? I'll leave you to chew on those two first, and maybe if we can take the semantic blinders off and genuinely engage with arguments in a meaningful way we can get to items further down the list.
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The Next President is...
100%. The only immediate appeal of a guard/res gig for someone punching from AD at their ADSC is the ability to pad a junior airline schedule to get more time at home with the family. That benefit is completely out the window if the odds are high you’ll get stuck on a combat deployment with no end date
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What's wrong with the Air Force?
The random callsign generator for stateside ops is the dumbest shit [On the phone with the tanker unit] “Cool we’ll see you guys at AR6969 CT1500z, what’s your callsign?” “Oh we don’t get our callsign until step” … “Well our step is before yours so I guess we’ll just show up to the track and hope we have the right guys 🤷🏻♂️”
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The Next President is...
My issue with all this is it’s just performative right wing macho virtue signaling. They’re also starting idiotic force shaping initiatives during a war where they’re gonna need everyone they can get. The mass exodus this Iran debacle is going to cause will be one for the history books. I’ll put my flag in the sand right now and say in 2-3 yrs there will be severe manning shortages in the military. And while the media is off deep diving on Pete’s low t initiatives that probably only apply to 5% of the force over the age of 40-45, Pete is busy misrepresenting our capabilities and progress to the president wrt the current conflict
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Would love to hear what takes of mine pertaining to this war are “laughably incorrect” Is it, in no particular order: -That Israel roped us into this -Our own DNI said Iran wasn’t making a nuke prior to the start of the war -Our destruction of a non-factor navy and Air Force doesn’t amount to a strategic win -Iran was never in a weak negotiating position which is why we signed a deal favorable to them -Iran’s TBM stockpile is mostly intact and the primary tool for their power projection -The blockade of their blockade didn’t do shit -Bombing cave entrances in a country of 90 million people the size of the entire eastern US didn’t (and won't currently) accomplish shit -We did not effect regime change and in fact ended up with a more hardline one -The people did not rise up -We have depleted our interceptor and SOW munitions to an alarming level that will take years to replace -We are objectively on the back foot in other AORs that had their resources poached for this boondoggle -Trump’s apocalyptic and incoherent messaging was strategically damaging and galvanized the Iranian public against us -We fell into an escalation trap that we now cannot get out of -Still don’t have the nuke dust -Constant admin goalpost shifting about the objectives where now just getting the strait back open and un-tolled would be considered a win There ya go. Feel free to address any of them specifically and I’ll respond with well sourced arguments. But this hiding behind “you don’t know what you’re talking about” or “you’d know the real story if you were in the strat division vault” is just pathetic BS. We can all see the shitshow unfolding with our own eyes.
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The Iran thread
Yeah we wrecked all the parts that didn’t matter in the first place but don’t tell the neocon war hawks that. They just spent the last two months circlejerking about how we obliterated a navy that was totally irrelevant and an Air Force of nothing but museum pieces. Turns out we never made much of a dent in the actual ballistic missile inventory because bombing cave entrances doesn’t destroy anything.. it just denies access to them temporarily. Anyone with half a brain cell knew from the outset that the TBM threat and ability to close the strait were always the two crucial things forming the basis for Iran’s regional power projection. Those both remain intact and will not be solved by renewed bombing. We’re now in the “more cowbell” phase of this dumb war where we’re just doing stuff that already didn’t work, with no clear end in sight. It’s just so sad no one predicted this would devolve into a directionless boondoggle
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