Guardian Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 So what’s it all mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder1587 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Guardian said: So what’s it all mean? It means none of it will come to fruition and you’ll continued to be under paid and under appreciated. Make the jump. Grass is much greener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seriously Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 also in the H.R 7900: (c) SPECIAL AVIATION INCENTIVE PAY AND BONUS 10 AUTHORITIES FOR OFFICERS.—Section 334(c)(1) of title 37, United States Code, is amended— (1) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘$1,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$1,500’’; and (2) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘$35,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$75,000’’. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckHunter Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Seriously said: also in the H.R 7900: (c) SPECIAL AVIATION INCENTIVE PAY AND BONUS 10 AUTHORITIES FOR OFFICERS.—Section 334(c)(1) of title 37, United States Code, is amended— (1) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘$1,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$1,500’’; and (2) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘$35,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$75,000’’. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Seriously said: also in the H.R 7900: (c) SPECIAL AVIATION INCENTIVE PAY AND BONUS 10 AUTHORITIES FOR OFFICERS.—Section 334(c)(1) of title 37, United States Code, is amended— (1) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘$1,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$1,500’’; and (2) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘$35,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$75,000’’. Odds that they are going to grandfather us faithful servants into the new $ amount…0.00. Edit: instead of just sport bitching, I emailed my congressman. I’d encourage other suckers like myself to lobby for a heavier wallet. Edited August 14, 2022 by Standby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Standby said: Odds that they are going to grandfather us faithful servants into the new $ amount…0.00. Edit: instead of just sport bitching, I emailed my congressman. I’d encourage other suckers like myself to lobby for a heavier wallet. Well, they didn’t do this in the past ($25K to $35K), so yeah, I doubt they would do it this time. Your greatest voice is hitting the separate/retirement button…everything else is as effective as “hope and change”. Edited August 15, 2022 by HeloDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I'm not interested in signing any more ADSCs, no matter how much money they offer...but am I reading that first line correctly thar the top end monthly flight pay is increasing to $1500? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) As an O-5 with 22 years, $1,500/month in flight pay and $75,000/yr bonus (highly doubt it happens), that is getting close to what might entice me to consider going on a year of orders...close lol. Problem is, the ANG clings to the ridiculous notion of a smaller bonus for 1 year orders. I don't mind taking a pay hit to help out, but not for a measly 25k bonus. Edited August 14, 2022 by SocialD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, SocialD said: As an O-5 with 22 years, $1,500/month in flight pay and $75,000/yr bonus (highly doubt it happens), that is getting close to what might entice me to consider going on a year of orders...close lol. Problem is, the ANG clings to the ridiculous notion of a smaller bonus for 1 year orders. I don't mind taking a pay hit to help out, but not for a measly 25k bonus. They are trying to reward commitment, I get that, but the structure is jacked. It pushes people on the fence off because they don't want to risk getting committed to something they want out of later and simultaneously there is a notion that I don't want to feel like I'm doing the same job but for less pay simply because I took longer to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, SocialD said: As an O-5 with 22 years, $1,500/month in flight pay and $75,000/yr bonus (highly doubt it happens), that is getting close to what might entice me to consider going on a year of orders...close lol. Problem is, the ANG clings to the ridiculous notion of a smaller bonus for 1 year orders. I don't mind taking a pay hit to help out, but not for a measly 25k bonus. The fact that the AGR bonus is higher than the DSG bonus for a year of orders is whack. Your AGRs are usually in it to win it and already committed, where your DSGs are usually a bit more open to what comes down the pipe. If they wanted to move aviators from the fence line to being committed, it’d be exactly the reverse. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 If this new pay rate/bonus gets passed, does that mean it’ll be available in the ANG/Reserves as well? Or is it just an AD thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 They are separate bonuses, but typically are close to each other (at least the 3+ year AGR vs. AD…apples to apples). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbier Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 I saw a thing a while back that said flights pay for TRs/DSGs won’t be prorated anymore; work one day, get the whole month of pay. I think it was supposed to take effect FY23, am I remembering correctly? Is that real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 That sounds like too good of a deal, but it would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 15 hours ago, nsplayr said: The fact that the AGR bonus is higher than the DSG bonus for a year of orders is whack. Your AGRs are usually in it to win it and already committed, where your DSGs are usually a bit more open to what comes down the pipe. If they wanted to move aviators from the fence line to being committed, it’d be exactly the reverse. This! All they're doing is ensuring that only the guys who have >15 years TAFMS are the ones who will come back on orders. 4 hours ago, herkbier said: I saw a thing a while back that said flights pay for TRs/DSGs won’t be prorated anymore; work one day, get the whole month of pay. I think it was supposed to take effect FY23, am I remembering correctly? Is that real? Like the "new pay system" I was told (circa Mid 2018) would be rolled out Jan 2020 and would fix all the DSG flight pay issues...I'll believe it when I see. BTW, anyone have an update ETIC on that 2020 rollout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 @Seriously I’m impressed by your ability to navigate all that legalese. I got lost/tired/scared trying to find the paragraphs you cited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTLFlyer Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 75k a year bonus would be nice. Do you think this has any chance of passing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 75k a year bonus would be nice. Do you think this has any chance of passing?Lol. Is Tom Cotton still a Senator?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzle Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 9 hours ago, BTLFlyer said: 75k a year bonus would be nice. Do you think this has any chance of passing? @BTLFlyer @Seriously Not likely, reference SASC markup of NDAA23...which proposes an extension of existing quantities, save for the AIR FORCE RATED OFFICER RETENTION DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM...up to $50k/yr only for AD in the SASC markup for NDAA FY23 "(d) AUTHORITIES RELATING TO TITLE 37 CONSOLI- 18 DATED SPECIAL PAY, INCENTIVE PAY, AND BONUS AU- 19 THORITIES.—The following sections of title 37, United 20 States Code, are amended by striking ‘‘December 31, 21 2022’’ and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2023’’ // // (3) Section 334(i), relating to special aviation 2 incentive pay and bonus authorities for officers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Well if Tom Cotton or any of the other honorable members of the esteemed legislative body check this site, a recent informal straw poll amongst bros that punched after 10 year ADSC showed that almost 70% said they would have stayed for at least several more years for 75k a year bonus and $1500 flight pay. I would take it to a 20 year career and retirement for that money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzle Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Danger41 said: Well if Tom Cotton or any of the other honorable members of the esteemed legislative body check this site, a recent informal straw poll amongst bros that punched after 10 year ADSC showed that almost 70% said they would have stayed for at least several more years for 75k a year bonus and $1500 flight pay. I would take it to a 20 year career and retirement for that money. RAND study's 68k + ~9.3% inflation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Well if Tom Cotton or any of the other honorable members of the esteemed legislative body check this site, a recent informal straw poll amongst bros that punched after 10 year ADSC showed that almost 70% said they would have stayed for at least several more years for 75k a year bonus and $1500 flight pay. I would take it to a 20 year career and retirement for that money. I’d settle for less money and a stop move… Seriously keep the money. I want my feet firmly planted where I’m standing for 5 years, and I’m not even at what most would consider a desirable location I just like my neighborhood and my kids going to the same school for a while.PCSing to chase Busy work deployments and other “opportunities” has been the biggest sap for keeping people in Army Aviation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightNeptune Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Did you know that the year two pay at UPS for first officers is $206 per hour/~173k per year minimum? After ten years when you're a captain, you're pulling in $344 per hour/~$289k per year minimum. Heck, you don't even have to sign a ten year contract, live in Clovis, or deploy! Even a $75k per year bonus can't touch that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Did you know that the year two pay at UPS for first officers is $206 per hour/~173k per year minimum? After ten years when you're a captain, you're pulling in $344 per hour/~$289k per year minimum. Heck, you don't even have to sign a ten year contract, live in Clovis, or deploy! Even a $75k per year bonus can't touch that. UPS is, however, still stuck in the sand with their 1st year pay rate. Financial hazing in full effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, SurelySerious said: Financial hazing in full effect. So keep that ARC job at least through year one. Because you love serving your country and somebody has to fly that Key West det. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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