ClearedHot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I am at a loss for words, WTF are these idiots thinking? Stop retired pay. Stop VA pay. No choice of duty station. No promotion opportunity. Your time on VRRAD does NOT count towards time in service. Sooo come work in a crap hole of our choosing, for half pay, no promotion and its doesn't count towards your retirement. FU! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08Dawg Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 “Possibly PCS”…hell no. Also, imagine just how little effort is going into that OPB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 14 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: I am at a loss for words, WTF are these idiots thinking? Stop retired pay. Stop VA pay. No choice of duty station. No promotion opportunity. Your time on VRRAD does NOT count towards time in service. Sooo come work in a crap hole of our choosing, for half pay, no promotion and its doesn't count towards your retirement. FU! Can’t wait to see takers in the single digits while the smuck who dreamed up this idea gets promoted. Seems like all we do is reward mediocrity. This will be similar to that stupid aviation only track for majors that only had 2-3 takers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I am at a loss for words, WTF are these idiots thinking? Stop retired pay. Stop VA pay. No choice of duty station. No promotion opportunity. Your time on VRRAD does NOT count towards time in service. Sooo come work in a crap hole of our choosing, for half pay, no promotion and its doesn't count towards your retirement. FU!Doesn’t count towards good years? WTF - so a dude with 17 years of AD service could not use this program to get to the check o’ the month club?If he/she retired at 20 Guard/Reserve but with the hypothetical 17 AD years would they at least get points then at least get to the retirement club but with 20 years of service?If anyone from A1 lurks on this forum please explain how you think this is an enticing deal for the majority of retirees you want to come back?What an excrement sandwich Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Like I said before, I don't think they'll get ANYONE to apply. I'm retired enlisted and there are ZERO reasons for me to come back. None. The only thing I can think of is some rated O who is financially secure and is just putzing around in some 9-5 for whatever reason, and he wants to fly combat rated aircraft again. There is zero incentive otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 Who the USAF is expecting... Who they'll get... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 20 hours ago, ClearedHot said: I am at a loss for words, WTF are these idiots thinking? Stop retired pay. Stop VA pay. No choice of duty station. No promotion opportunity. Your time on VRRAD does NOT count towards time in service. Sooo come work in a crap hole of our choosing, for half pay, no promotion and its doesn't count towards your retirement. FU! Honestly this reads like a plan you'd create if you wanted to look like you're doing something, but don't actually want it to work. Maybe it gives them something to point at and say "see, we tried," I guess it's on to stop loss lol Edited February 9 by SocialD 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, SocialD said: Honestly this read like a plan you'd create if you wanted to look like you're doing something, but don't actually want it to work. Maybe it gives them to something to point at and say "see, we tried," I guess it's on to stop loss lol Maybe the Bobs accidentally selected the throwaway COA and no one on staff spoke up….. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 16 minutes ago, SocialD said: Honestly this read like a plan you'd create if you wanted to look like you're doing something, but don't actually want it to work. Maybe it gives them to something to point at and say "see, we tried," I guess it's on to stop loss lol Exactly. "We're trying". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 23 hours ago, M2 said: Who the USAF is expecting... Who they'll get... Edited February 9 by Biff_T 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC&W Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 This will appeal to a very small population of rated officers who can fill staff positions in desirable OCONUS locations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 18 hours ago, AC&W said: This will appeal to a very small population of rated officers who can fill staff positions in desirable OCONUS locations. That sweet (desert not Hawaii) CAOC job is waiting for some lucky old guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The USAF is thinking of bringing back WO's, if I was a SSgt or TSgt I would jump at the opportunity to get a pay increase and not having to put up with the Top 3 who makes your life miserable with them all backstabbing each other to get a senior rater endorsement. Air Force may bring back warrant officers to boost technical expertise (airforcetimes.com) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I believe it will reset your base pay for retirement pay calculations. In my case, base pay has gone up $2800 since I retired in 2014 Most pilots considering this already know where they want to go. And if they don't get exactly that, they simply won't accept the orders. The FAQ says you can turn down a PCS. If you do, you are released from the VRRAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 hours ago, uhhello said: Exactly. "We're trying". Bet whoever put together that stellar powerpoint will get a bullet and that is the extent of their Give a Sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 58 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: I believe it will reset your base pay for retirement pay calculations. In my case, base pay has gone up $2800 since I retired in 2014 Initially messaging said no TIS increase only TOP 3, looks like that was adjusted which is common sense. In the current job market I don't see the business case to give up 100% of a better paying job PLUS 50% (or more of retired pay), AND VA payment all for a retirement bump of $2800. 59 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: Most pilots considering this already know where they want to go. And if they don't get exactly that, they simply won't accept the orders. Del Rio, Cannon, Minot among the most popular. 1 hour ago, HuggyU2 said: The FAQ says you can turn down a PCS. If you do, you are released from the VRRAD So all the active duty folks with commitment and no choice will get the undesirable assignments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 CH, I agree with you. Except that the bump to my pay would be only about $1900, since it's a percentage of base pay... so even less enticing, since an extra 15 days of airline work will cover that. If the airline world falls apart, they may get some takers. But otherwise, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 23 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: CH, I agree with you. Except that the bump to my pay would be only about $1900, since it's a percentage of base pay... so even less enticing, since an extra 15 days of airline work will cover that. If the airline world falls apart, they may get some takers. But otherwise, no. To be clear … an extra 15 days or so at the airline will cover the $1900 a month bump…for the entire year. assuming you’re working those 15 days at straight pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Chang Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 words: SERVICE BEFORE SELF. 2 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 words: SERVICE BEFORE SELF.Gave all the service I could. Time for self. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettinReady Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 How ‘bout find some more contractors to fix the problem, that always seems to work right? Isn’t supposed to be cheaper? Some of the throwaway online MBAs should be able to read a supply and demand curve right? As for service before self, any potential candidate has already put in the service. That’s how they got qualified in the first place. Here’s an interesting read, makes me think the problem might lie elsewhere: https://medium.com/fall-when-hit/how-come-no-generals-have-been-fired-e6a94ef1abb3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 hours ago, General Chang said: 3 words: SERVICE BEFORE SELF. This. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, GettinReady said: Here’s an interesting read, makes me think the problem might lie elsewhere: https://medium.com/fall-when-hit/how-come-no-generals-have-been-fired-e6a94ef1abb3 It's as if no one has read this... amazon.com/Generals-American-Military-Command-World/dp/0143124099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buenos Diaz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 15 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: CH, I agree with you. Except that the bump to my pay would be only about $1900, since it's a percentage of base pay... so even less enticing, since an extra 15 days of airline work will cover that. If the airline world falls apart, they may get some takers. But otherwise, no. Huggy, Did your ret it recent pay remain “Final Pay” or reset to “High 3?” Deez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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