ayz33 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 9 hours ago, SurelySerious said: Well shooting GPS approaches is pretty much the main function of the AF. Glad to know i won't be messing with NDB's (i hope??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Sneedro said: Standby for Space peoples' QUEEP to increase ten fold as every wannabe Chief of Staff starts padding their resumes to get into a command roll... 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Memes. Not that anybody gives a shit about my opinion, but I think a space force is appropriate. The future will be interesting, better to get our force structured now than to be reactive after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 My wife is looking long-term: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzle Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2nd claim...from a classic...and 5% because it's not sleep-'apnis' and it might be 'Space-Burn-pit' related which has unknown side effects and needs further review and a registry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibreaker Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Congressmen Mike Rogers said that he expects Space Force language to be in the 2020 NDAA. So this may actually become a possibility sooner than most people think. Especially now that the Air Force cant publicly go against what President Trump has said. If it does materialize, do you think that they would just pull people from the space AFSC's, or do you think that they would ultimately pull in folks from other AFSC's (like security forces, logistics, intel, etc.) in order to man this new force? I'm wondering because non space related AFSC's currently fall under Air Force Space Command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just don't enlist in the AFSC of red shirt security team member, and you should have a long career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Frank Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 A Space Force seems inevitable, but it feels too early to stand one up https://breakingdefense.com/2018/06/space-force-go-slow-learn-from-army-air-corps/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I think VP Pence is announcing the new space force right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Quote The United States set a goal on Thursday of creating a new, sixth branch of the U.S. military by 2020 known as the “Space Force” and said it was working to build necessary support in Congress for President Donald Trump’s plan. “Ultimately, Congress must act to establish this new department, which will organize, train and equip the United States Space Force,” Vice President Mike Pence told an audience at the Pentagon, saying the “Space Force” was an idea “whose time has come.” We can't even get a uniform right in 4 years, how are we going to figure out a new branch of service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, matmacwc said: I think VP Pence is announcing the new space force right now Here's a chance to vote on the new Space Force Logo; Personally, I wish they would use the old USSPACECOM Patch. The original USSPACECOM, which was a Combatant Command back in the day, had a lifespan of 17 years (1985 - 2002). If our leadership is really serious - then maybe this new version of a Space Force/Space Command will last longer then 17 years this round. http://time.com/5363058/donald-trump-campaign-space-force-logo/ Edited August 9, 2018 by waveshaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfargin Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, waveshaper said: Here's a chance to vote on the new Space Force Logo; Personally, I wish they would use the old USSPACECOM Patch. The original USSPACECOM, which was a Combatant Command back in the day, had a lifespan of 17 years (1985 - 2002). If our leadership is really serious - then maybe this new version of a Space Force/Space Command will last longer then 17 years this round. http://time.com/5363058/donald-trump-campaign-space-force-logo/ No way these will work, not a green man or flying saucer to be found. Unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Space Force by 2020 😂😂 Based on the given timeline for the light attack aircraft (proposal out Dec 2018, bid awarded Q4 FY19) + dispute delays, we’ll apparently have Space Force before we can manage to buy a single god damned AT-6, and we needed a fleet of them about 15 years ago. GL to the poor bastards at the pentagon who have to work this! Maybe they can commiserate with the guys planning the $12m parade in DC 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Space Force by 2020 Based on the given timeline for the light attack aircraft (proposal out Dec 2018, bid awarded Q4 FY19) + dispute delays, we’ll apparently have Space Force before we can manage to buy a single god damned AT-6, and we needed a fleet of them about 15 years ago. GL to the poor bastards at the pentagon who have to work this! Maybe they can commiserate with the guys planning the $12m parade in DC We don’t need LA, we need Space Force and we needed it yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Only one suitable logo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, HU&W said: Only one suitable logo. Gump! You're a gawddamned genius... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 we need Space Force and we needed it yesterday. Am I the only one that thinks we need (and could have more immediate impact with) a cyber force more at this point? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 21 hours ago, Champ Kind said: Am I the only one that thinks we need (and could have more immediate impact with) a cyber force more at this point? Granted I'm institutionalized at this point, but I'm still not convinced a separate service is the right move for our domain at this point. There needs to be a lot of figuring out of authorities and everyone's hands in the pie for IT vs. Cyber Ops/Def. Space has a longer history, and once had their own command. I can't believe I'm writing this, but 468 days until I retire...so my give a cyber-shit is low. Plus I've had to argue with SSgt's/Lt's about why there's not going to be Cyber-WO's anytime soon, and they're convinced Enlisted Jesus is going to make it happen like OCPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 22 hours ago, Champ Kind said: Am I the only one that thinks we need (and could have more immediate impact with) a cyber force more at this point? I'm hoping that 'space' includes cyberspace. It's a better fit than what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Granted I'm institutionalized at this point, but I'm still not convinced a separate service is the right move for our domain at this point. There needs to be a lot of figuring out of authorities and everyone's hands in the pie for IT vs. Cyber Ops/Def. Space has a longer history, and once had their own command. I can't believe I'm writing this, but 468 days until I retire...so my give a cyber-shit is low. Plus I've had to argue with SSgt's/Lt's about why there's not going to be Cyber-WO's anytime soon, and they're convinced Enlisted Jesus is going to make it happen like OCPs.Concur with your points about authorities and figuring out how to do it. My concern about separating space goes to your second point about WOs. We have a difficult enough time integrating blue capes across domains. How does separating space enable us to integrate more effectively?I’m confused about your cyber WO comment. There already are Cyber WOs. http:// https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/1377840/328th-wps-cyber-course-revs-up-weapons-officer-development/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Warrior said: Concur with your points about authorities and figuring out how to do it. My concern about separating space goes to your second point about WOs. We have a difficult enough time integrating blue capes across domains. How does separating space enable us to integrate more effectively? I’m confused about your cyber WO comment. There already are Cyber WOs. http:// https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/1377840/328th-wps-cyber-course-revs-up-weapons-officer-development/ Probably Cyber Warrant Officers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Warrior said: Concur with your points about authorities and figuring out how to do it. My concern about separating space goes to your second point about WOs. We have a difficult enough time integrating blue capes across domains. How does separating space enable us to integrate more effectively? I’m confused about your cyber WO comment. There already are Cyber WOs. http:// https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/1377840/328th-wps-cyber-course-revs-up-weapons-officer-development/ Sorry, lack of clarity on my part, Surely got it right - I meant Cyber Warrant Officers. We haven't actually referred to our Patches as WO's strangely. Usually it's "Patch" or Weapons Officer...huh, just realized that. I don't think popping off space is going to make us integrate any more, or less effectively for cyber. I imagine there's going to be some of my ilk that cross over, and the Army and Marines will lose their chunk of personnel as well. From my perch, cyber integrates "Ok" now, and everyone wants it. So we have more conversations now than I've seen before. Some good (Oh, you can do X to their capes?) and some bad (What do you mean you can't hack the missile in flight?) . I'm not talking about NIPR, which is getting better as leadership has actually figured out you've got to pay for the systems to actually get jets off the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 I am all for Cyber and any other type of Warrants...if it means we reallocate E-8 and E-9 billets for it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 I am all for Cyber and any other type of Warrants...if it means we reallocate E-8 and E-9 billets for it to happen. WO billets come from officer numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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