FLEA Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: The genders/pronoun people need to be mocked relentlessly Having just separated and attended like 30 networking events ill say this..... if it bothers you.... don't get out. Because its like 100X worse in the civilian world. Seriously just sat in a meeting with CHRO's from dozens of large companies and DE&I is the new hot sauce. That said, in your benefit, veterans and their families (specifically children and spouses) are now coming under the umbrella of DE&I as an oppressed class. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Bothers me? They have mental disorders. I love how it’s been man/woman for thousands of years and in a short 2-3 year timespan we’re the assholes for not using they/them/zer give me a break. It’s a mental health issue. 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 hours ago, FLEA said: Having just separated and attended like 30 networking events ill say this..... if it bothers you.... don't get out. Because its like 100X worse in the civilian world. Seriously just sat in a meeting with CHRO's from dozens of large companies and DE&I is the new hot sauce. That said, in your benefit, veterans and their families (specifically children and spouses) are now coming under the umbrella of DE&I as an oppressed class. Yes woke culture is everywhere but it lagged in the military. Now it’s impacting lethality and readiness and that I’m not okay with. Use whatever gender pronouns you want IDGAF, stop wasting peoples time with this crap during work hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, FLEA said: Having just separated and attended like 30 networking events ill say this..... if it bothers you.... don't get out. Because its like 100X worse in the civilian world. Seriously just sat in a meeting with CHRO's from dozens of large companies and DE&I is the new hot sauce. That said, in your benefit, veterans and their families (specifically children and spouses) are now coming under the umbrella of DE&I as an oppressed class. In the civilian world I am free to not participate in deluded sexual fantasies of the insane. And men pretending to be women are insane. Women who cut off their tits and main line testosterone to live out severe mental health problems should be pitied not celebrated. The military is fundamentally different in that I took an oath to follow orders and we are not free to walk away. Ordering the military to follow radical social philosophies wrecks unit cohesion and degrades lethality. The DEI argument that inclusion increases unity because everyone feels valued might be true if they focused on tolerance. However, they are totalitarian not tolerant. By forcing the language of their own worldview they deny equal dignity to my own which is antithetical to unit cohesion. Edited September 23, 2022 by tac airlifter 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Exhibit 2: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-academy-promotes-fellowship-bans-cisgender-men-this-program-isnt-for-you 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATIS Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 30 more days until I hit 30yrs/Retired Reserve/Grey Zone…so at least that is some relief. I’m walking back into my civi-Govt job next week following terminal leave and I think where I am…the rudder hasn’t fully swung over like a purely civilian company….but I see it coming. DEI is noise taking away from the end state/mission/goal IMO. I try to look past all of that and frame things as progress toward the end state. If you are a guy, dressed as a lady, in my briefing yet you are one of the few in the room that knows what they are doing and are producing….good category (actual situation). If you are a piece of FOD, I will explain why in the context of progress toward the product end state and steer to correct or work with the higher ups to have them do their job (eye roll sometimes) and council/remove under-performers. I try to set this context-based environment to limit turning room to exploit my comments in a different (read DEI) direction. Won’t turn this into a “life as a GS employee” thread input…but anyone that works in that world knows we have our unique quirks and goods/bads/challenges vice a purely “for profit” company. I try and leave personal opinion at the SCIF door….some days I leak a little around the edges. ATIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 We are so fvcked it is not even funny. Who on earth is pushing this shit? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 We are so fvcked it is not even funny. Who on earth is pushing this shit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: Exhibit 2: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-academy-promotes-fellowship-bans-cisgender-men-this-program-isnt-for-you I don't even know what cisgender means? This is ridiculous. Who makes up all of those categories? I suffer from a condition that makes me like bigs tits. I shall call this disease "big-tittiesgood". Is that OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I don't even know what cisgender means? This is ridiculous. Who makes up all of those categories? I suffer from a condition that makes me like bigs tits. I shall call this disease "big-tittiesgood". Is that OK? If you’re a man, with a penis, and you like women with those assets…then you’re a cisgender man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: Exhibit 2: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-academy-promotes-fellowship-bans-cisgender-men-this-program-isnt-for-you If it's a scholarship program with money and/or career advancement attached... just identify as "gender fluid" and say "today I'm a man" during your meetings with the advisors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: If you’re a man, with a penis, and you like women with those assets…then you’re a cisgender man. So… normal dude? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 As Norm MacDonald said, cis is a way of marginalizing a normal person. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dream big said: So… normal dude? Correct. You are now discriminated against based on your gender. If you are white, you are now discriminated against based on your skin color. Obviously, the only way to get rid of racism and bigotry is more racism and bigotry. In other news, I highly recommend "Undaunted Life" a podcast for men, about men, by a man who is unapologetically a Christian man. No stones are left unturned. Not for the faint of heart. Edited September 23, 2022 by FourFans130 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaputt Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Exhibit 3: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: Exhibit 3: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash How long before they get rid of the term/rank “Airman”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: Exhibit 3: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash "If you are a cisgender woman, a transgender woman, non-binary, agender, bigender, two-spirit, demigender, genderfluid, genderqueer, or another form of gender minority, this program is for you," "Genderfluid" sounds like something that people on a porn set have to wipe up with a rag. I can't imagine telling someone that I'm "two-spirit" without offending native Americans. How did this ridiculousness become mainstream? I truly don't understand the need to push this agenda. It is like watching our country turn into a 90s Jerry Springer show. To the Generals who think that this environment will make a better warfighter, you have lost focus. Xi thanks you for ruinining our military with this garbage! Edited September 24, 2022 by Biff_T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 minute ago, HeloDude said: How long before they get rid of the term/rank “Airman”? Around 2016 the Navy tried getting rid of all job titles with ‘man’ in them, bucking 200+ years of tradition. It was quickly rescinded as the outrage from the enlisted was enormous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: Exhibit 3: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash Gina Ortiz, Chief Bass, CQ Brown… OF COURSE they support this woke crap. The lower echelons also didn’t get to where they were by being yes men/women/whatever gender pronoun they have in their signature block. Does it get better…or is it here to stay, something to adapt to and work with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Stiglitz Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke. I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait. 2 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bigred said: Around 2016 the Navy tried getting rid of all job titles with ‘man’ in them, bucking 200+ years of tradition. It was quickly rescinded as the outrage from the enlisted was enormous. Big difference from even 2016 to 2022. If you can’t say “guys” when referencing a group of people, then how can you call someone an “Airman” who isn’t a man? Or who at least doesn’t “identify with being a man”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said: I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke. I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait. Have fun calling people "Genderfluid". Tell me again how this kills more bad guys? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said: I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke. I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait. Your head is buried up you know where if you think this is just talked about in a CBT. A former Squadron Commander forced their Flight CCs to take part in a book club on “White Fragility”, open your eyes dude. Damn autocorrect Edited September 24, 2022 by dream big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Hugo, even if Tucker brings it up... it's either true or it's not. If it's true... and even if the cadets ignore it... it is a very concerning shift of the AF Culture for many people. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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