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Uh oh, people don't agree with you on something so we're going the wrong way, and you don't like it?! Cry somewhere else like a bitch. We're having big boy discussions in here.

Are we sure Guardian and Slackline aren't married to each other?

And the next begins, where we start walking back our foreign policy gains on China, Russia, and Iran, but the POTUS appears "more coherent." It's all about trade offs.

She's not going to. She's the embodiment of a Useful Idiot.

He downplayed it and doubled down on his base. It's literally what he always does. The far right thought it was a hoax, the far left was terrified and wanted to shut everything down, and most folks in the middle wanted a tempered response with a dash of human in it. Instead he stoked conspiracies for months, created drama with his highly popular NIAID director, and tried to change the subject away from a global pandemic killing more citizens each day. It didn't work, and across the country everyone to the left of "tin foil hat" on the political spectrum got to watch the spectacle of trumpies losing their shit in public because they had to put on a mask while everyone else is just trying to survive and pay bills. It was embarassing to see the most powerful man in the world encouraging these people. The bar was super low...own up for not taking it seriously initially, act legitimately concerned, plead with folks to chip in and wear a mask, set a good example. It's fucking leadership 101. Trump was determined to win on "hard-mode" and he repeatedly watched softball pitches fly by. Thank god.

To go back to something quickly from over the weekend. I've thought more about it. AOC's list of Trump supporters, IMHO, is wrong. I think it returns to a dark time in our Nation's past. Shows her immaturity, and I hope she's able to grow up a little.

Maybe your Commander-In-Chief, but some of us have that coveted DD-214 and left the dumpster fire known as the USAF years ago.

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Trump’s policy response was identical to a hypothetical alternate president. You don’t think that rhetoric alone can have a net positive or negative effect on a crisis? I’m sorry but the guy who publicly advocates injecting bleach into the population writ large does not promote confidence from said population. This “only policy matters” take is a cop out by those trying to justify placing an utter moron into the highest office in the land to themselves. Yes, policy matters, but so does character. “The ends justify the means” has never been a morally effective argument in this country. The character of our leaders is a pillar of what has allowed the United States to (rightly) claim the moral high ground for most of its existence and may be the most devastating casualty of the last four years.

Commonwealth, can’t compare it to a republic. /s

Australia then.

You think the US made gains with Russia the past 4 years? Donnie did Vlad's bidding on the reg. Agreed on China and Iran, but so much could have been done with both of those, so much more effectively. Dude was all over the place.

The same people who were miserable behind their keyboards for 4 years with TDS - Trump derangement Syndrome will soon be the same miserable victims with BDS - Biden Disappointment Syndrome. If the GOP keeps the senate, the dem infighting will be fun to watch. Very few campaign promises met, sets up the right for gains in 2024. The beta males and 2/10 feminists who were calling us all (on the right) racists and sexists will be miserable....still. And now we don’t have to hear about BLM or other statistically retarded causes for a while. The blue wave never happened. Not a bad election. Cheer up, it could be Hillary’s second term. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

That’s my point. He couldn’t manage the barest minimum of leadership on the issue. Because he isn’t a leader. He’s a fraud and a con. Always has been. Always will be. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Really dude?

You guys ever have a bad sortie where a lot of folks died, and in debrief you looked back on the plan and said "welp...not much else we could have done. we pretty much nailed it."? Yeah me neither. It's amazing to see some of the best tactical minds I've met suddenly go blind when it comes to identifying DFPs, root causes, contributing factors and coming up with instructional fixes when it comes to politics.

This letter from GWB is the type of presidential character that I cant imagine Trump having. And I’m looking forward to hopefully seeing more of it. https://www.bushcenter.org/about-the-center/newsroom/press-releases/2020/11/president-george-w-bush-statement-joe-biden.html

For starters his administration literally could have just not nixed the pandemic response team. https://apnews.com/article/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a Biden even called the Trump administration out on it months before covid hit: https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1187829299207954437?lang=en

Sigh.... I already told you .... I'm not going to write a white paper on this. I could list 30 things that the president could have done in response to COVID and the response would be the same..... BuT WhAt CoULd He hAvE doNe????

Well, Trump could have established a cabinet level position on COVID response. Heck, he could have simply put his HHS secretary out front and just stepped out of the camera and shut the hell up and it would have been something at least. But there's nothing I can say that will make you step back and realize what a complete and utter failure this President has been in nearly every aspect of leadership. You would not tolerate this kind of leadership at the squadron, yet you think that it somehow works at the national level.

Haha. No good answer on that one except that I have an overwhelmingly high faith in humanity that most people would just find naïve. I'm also looking at it from a rational stand point and he doesn't have a lot to gain by pushing the agenda the way he did. Only a very very small base of people actually thought mask wear was an infringement of their civil rights. Even if that group did exist inside his base, it was a small portion of his base at most, and he certainly wasn't going to lose them to a democrat over something as silly as masks. Regarding Joe's medical condition, I think we should all address the elephant in the room which is we really need to start thinking about an age cap on the presidency, and any political office for that matter. I do speculate on his health, but I think the more damning trend is that we keep electing people that really have no stake in holding this country together other than to set a legacy for themselves. They are also too far disconnected from the working class. (Shit most people their age haven't been working class in 20 years, they're retired!) I'm strongly starting to believe if you haven't started your first term by 65 you need to just step aside and let a younger actor take the stage.

Unfortunately pilot error along with command deficiencies compounding equipment failure. https://www.afjag.af.mil/Portals/77/AIB-Reports/2020/June/F-16 Mishap AIB 30 June 2020 Shaw AFB (ACC).pdf

I just watched that video and that's not really what he is saying. Trust me, I would love to jump at the chance to trash Cuomo and his complete idiocy, but he's talking about Trump's vaccine roll out plan and not that the vaccine itself is bad news and that they are going to try and stop the vaccine. This definitely falls under a sensationalist and slightly fake news tweet. Even at the end he discusses working with other governors to find ways they can tweak Trump's roll out plan and not stop the vaccine from getting to their populations. Of course the TDS still runs deep in Cuomo so maybe that's where him and the other governors will end up if they can't work to tweak Trump's plan, but that was not what I got from the video right now.

Vaccine was not part of the plan to fight pandemic? 🤣 https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed/index.html

Girls girls. You are both pretty.

Dude. How nice would that be if we could separate covid from politics. For that matter anything from politics.

You won’t from Biden nor Kamala, sorry to break it to you. But yes, even as a hard Trump fan I do miss the civility in politics and sometimes cringe when Trump goes off on Twitter or whatever else.

Who did? To claim that anyone's response can be graded thus far is premature. Europe is falling apart again. His response can't be bad if none of them were good. As with most things, if he could just keep his mouth shut and act like a president, his response wouldn't be discernable from any other

Biden doesn't have any true character gain. The dude is a facade. He has no actual plan in mind, just words along the lines of "trust me, I have a plan." Also, I find that after 47 years he's really not done anything as a public official. Quit justifying Biden because he's "not Trump." Not being Trump doesn't make him good.

Large portions of women do not meet the old height/antho standards that haven't been updated since something like the the 50s. Jets were built around what the 5-95 percentile male heights way back when the standard was established. We've since allowed women to fly military aircraft, and then combat aircraft, but never updated the height standards for aircraft. And the distribution of heights for women average shorter than men. So a good portion of women are ineligible to be air force pilots solely because of their height and because no one updated the standard until this year. Its an unintentionally incomplete standard that was never updated because no one really saw a problem, until more women raised the concern. Updating the standard (happening this year) will allow future aircraft to be designed and built around what a majority of our population would be able to operate (to include guys as well, as we've gotten taller as a population), and increase the eligible recruiting pool for pilots (so we can get the best, and not just the best of those that are tall enough). This is not than just a pilot job issue for women- traditionally the air force has favored pilots in the promotion system, especially in the senior ranks. The filter at the very front of the system (anthro standards to start UPT), makes it more challenging for women to promote to senior ranks. It's not sexism in the sense that many of us think of (and I like to believe that most of that overt sexism has been stamped out), but it's an issue that creates a barrier for an otherwise qualified woman to advance in their military career.

Dude, instead of using master's degrees as a proxy for some standard that was fair or unfair and how changing it either led to the betterment or detriment of the said groups, why don't we just get specific on the topic at hand? What, exactly, are the systemic barriers that are in place that prevent X-type of person from joining the AF and achieving a successful career? Personally, I don't think there are any. I think arguing by analogy in cases like these leads us literally nowhere. Get specific. On the topic of master's degrees, however, using them in order to determine whether or not someone should be chosen for advancement really only came to pass because it was a way for the promotion board to hit the easy button when they're examining a stack of (basically) equivalent OPRs. Let's be completely honest: we have developed and placed a lot of faith in metrics that we convince ourselves (i.e. promotion boards convince themselves) accurately measure whether or not someone should be promoted. In actuality, however, these ridiculous processes exist merely as ritual to legitimize a purely subjective process. This bullet means X, this bullet means Y. It would be better (more objective) - it really would be - if your OPR was merely a rank ordered 1, 2, 3, ..., n, out of N, and what got sent up to the promotion board was a list of the rankings you achieved over your career along with a recommendation of whether or not you should promote. The promotion board would literally be purely objective, and we'd be able to side-step the little temporary, subjective universe that gets created during the promotion board card game. And finally, I will proceed to flog myself for the overuse of the word 'master' in this post - it has recently been decreed that this word is decidedly 'unwoke' and its use is somehow discriminatory, triggering, inflammatory, and/or otherwise offensive to certain groups of people. My bad, tonight I'll go to sleep in my primary bedroom.

This is true....so let me rephrase: All Trump had to do was produce semi-competent leadership on the pandemic. Seriously, if the man would have simply come out in support of masks he probably wins the election. But he couldn't bring himself to even say the words. Because he's an idiot.

I don’t equate an analogy on degrees to arguments of racism. So I kinda see what you are saying. But having someone get or not get a degree is largely a choice or an intentional decision. Skin or sex isn’t. And discriminating based on skin color or sex is racist. Advanced degrees don’t equate, rgardless of if I want the master masked or not.

I just finished a whole paper on the COVID-19 response and I'm convinced it couldn't have played out differently under any other leadership. Geographically, COVID played out in 3 regions. Asia, Europe, and the US. Asia had a fairly easy time suppressing it due to a combination of cultural and political factors. For China, it was a fantastic demonstration of Confucian principles for a better society and the suppression of human rights for the common good. This was a narrative they honestly wanted. In Korea and Japan, your average citizen has a higher level of social responsibility than in Europe or the US. So people have been comparing us to Europe. I've been in Europe since COVID began. (Almost, was actually in Asia as it started). What most people don't recognize, and if you talk to a German, Dutch, or Dane, they will tell you, is that they are tolerating lockdowns to the extent that they are because their countries run enormous social programs that have basically began paying people to not go to work. The effect on people's livelihoods has pretty much gone untouched. And because these countries do not have looming deficits, they have plenty of credit to borrow against to keep that going. The US is in a different pot. There is the balance of civil liberties and public health, the inadequacy of the CDC pandemic response plan (that was written under Obama by the way) and the inability to support masses of Americans long term from unemployment. I think the cards were against the US from the beginning to be the hardest hit. I do believe Trump earnestly was trying to not instill panic which is why he rejected visible signs of panic like masks. This is likely what his advisors were trying to tell him to do. However, I'm also strongly convinced that he has something like Asperger's syndrome, and he couldn't read the audience sensitively enough to realize this was having the reverse effect he thought it would. That said, Joe Biden is walking into a mine field and he doesn't realize it. The economic predictions are that the global economic collapse from COVID will actually function on a delay. 2023-2024 is the predicted year. The virus is also too far gone in society. He will never reverse the trends to a manageable level. Unless he somehow magically cures Corona in his first 6 months, I don't think he will survive the political fallout that is going to come from its wake.

Oh.. is this better? If Biden wins, it's shenanigans. If Trump wins, it's vindication. Cause that's what we're doing right now.

Yeah... Kamala will be your President by February, then this country will have real problems. Will be entertaining to see Nikki Haley wipe the floor with her in 2024.

Uh, the “Great Divide” started before that. That was Newt Gingrich being Speaker of the House going all in on Bill Clinton for getting a blowie from an intern and lying about it. But the economy was great, Clinton was popular, and it backfired on Newt and he left the House. I think it would’ve continued, however 9/11 happened within the first two years of Bush Jr’s tenure, and the country came together when OEF/OIF kicked off. Now it’s turned into some tribalism between both parties. I think Trump losing is great for the GOP because they can stop faking that they support Trump’s policies and have an imposter as the face of the party.

You know, I think this was the best case scenario for a Trump loss. It might even be better than a Trump win, assuming the GOP can pick the right candidate for 2024. Trump loses, but the rest of the Republican political class wins, keeping the senate and gaining in the house, as well as picking up some state legislatures. That's a clear repudiation of the man, not the party. Keeping the senate means effectively zero progressive wishlist items will happen in the next two years. Biden, let's not forget, is a fool who was not-too-long-ago frustrating his party as VP for always trying to make deals with Mitch Mcconnell. I see that continuing. Biden's win was small, so not a mandate. And amazingly, Trump gained in all voter groups *except* white men. If you don't think there are some (D) strategists right now melting down over that, I've got something to sell you. A black Republican who speaks Spanish would obliterate what's left of the democratic coalition. Mail in balloting is here to stay, and even with the most mailed-in election in history, by far, Biden barely won. The previous (D) advantage in early and mail-in voting will evaporate once the (R) figure out they need to embrace it. No more crazy Trump tweets is a win for the country. I'm concerned about foreign relations, which was unfortunately Trump's strongest area, but at least the split government will temper any gross reversals. As stated, China is the threat. And some California and NY seats flipped, which should indicate restlessness amongst the victims of the high-tax low-freedom regimes that have controlled state policy for decades. Could have been a lot worse

You have a valid point. I'll pay up when I'm in the bar on Monday.

Don’t we have a kitty here somewhere that requires a donation when you say that name out loud? I hope you at least spit on the floor after typing that.

Please.

I wish you guys could just put up or shut up with credible, hard, real evidence of the "level of shenanigans" put into play, especially of the magnitude claimed. Even Trump's own party (if you can ever claim he was GOP) recognizes how silly and childish this looks. But by all means, continue ignoring facts and reason. It makes you guys look even better... Oh, you're a mod, you going to delete this? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Congrats to Biden. trump has no one to blame but himself. They made a huge strategic error on the first debate trying to bully Biden and portray him as weak. Made trump come off as rude. Also his tone post corona virus should have softened instead he doubled down. but more importantly when will the gambling websites pay out daddy put some nice money on a Biden victory.

As someone who voted for Trump, I am honestly having a hard time believing the voter fraud claims for this election. The primary reason for that is there was no "Blue Wave" in the other elections. The country essentially held the line on where they were with the Senate, and the R's even gained ground in the House. If there was some massive scheme to use voter fraud to help the Dems, I think we would have seen it play out in other races as well. Ultimately I think this came down to being a referendum on Trump himself. I personally know several people, both friends and family, who voted for Trump in 2016 but did not this time around. Their choice was based almost entirely on Trump's personality and the way he carries himself. I think those are the people who swayed this election the other way this time. In all honesty, Biden and Harris have a massive challenge in front of them (if they do ultimately win). The nation I think has proven, as Shapiro and Tucker have both said as well, that they are not buying the BLM, Antifa, AOC, super leftist agenda. Perhaps a slight majority was over the Trump experiment, but Biden and Harris are now in a tough spot because I think they, and the rest of the Dems, thought they would gain full control and have unstoppable power to push through a massively left leaning agenda. That is no longer the case. In my opinion, many on the far left in Washington will want Biden out quickly due to "health concerns", but that is not such an easy road to walk anymore without full majority. Making that swap before the mid-terms could prove even more fatal. As another poster mentioned earlier, Trump has probably served his purpose. If nothing else, he proved how deeply corrupt the media and most of Washington is and he showed how to impassion a base of supporters. I can't remember the last time I saw people that excited about a candidate not named Obama. The conservatives in this country now have a big opportunity in front of them to reshape what the party looks like. However, they need to ensure that future includes the base that Trump built. One incredible thing that I think Trump did is he made the Republican party become the party of the working class. Blue collar workers that would often lean towards the pro-union Democrats have switched sides. The conservatives in this country cannot throw that away. There needs to be less Mitt Romney's as the face of the party and more Dan Crenshaw's. I've had a few beers this evening so hopefully that all made sense. I guess everything I wrote might also be moot if somehow Trump still manages to win.

Shameful. Go watch the movie again.

Plus the dems are waiting for the rest of the dead votes to be counted. Landslide for Biden!

The states have until December to finalize the tally for the EC to vote. Every legal vote should be counted. Same day voter registration is the missing factor for the higher number of votes than the number of registered voters on 1 Nov. From the fivethirtyeight blog:

I'll have to watch later his stuff. Project V has been doing very well displaying fraud.

As an airshow announcer, I've got a fool-proof method for ensuring the flyovers are on time at my airshows. It's so easy, even a fighter pilot can hit the TOT.