pawnman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 hours ago, 17D_guy said: So...never update the uniforms, or research new materials. Ok. No. Just don't have a board do it. The Air Force still hasn't learned that you can't lead by committee...this is how we get things like terrible PT gear and reversing the patches on the OCPs from the flight suit AND from the current AFGSC guidance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, pawnman said: No. Just don't have a board do it. The Air Force still hasn't learned that you can't lead by committee...this is how we get things like terrible PT gear and reversing the patches on the OCPs from the flight suit AND from the current AFGSC guidance. AND current AFCENT, ACC, AETC guidance as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: A uniform board is about as useless as comm fixing a share drive outage at 1500 on a Friday. Not true. Nothing worse than showing up to a mandatory drill thinking you're finally going to attack the great queep monster, only to see all the AF systems you need, "down for mx." VPC/Outlook/DTS we're all down last drill...apparently no one in the military works weekends. 8 hours ago, viper154 said: How about no more PT uniform. Just wear your civilian gym clothes, or you’re grandpa jeans and kitty ear hat. No one gives a shit. One less thing to dig out of the closet for the annual pt test or ‘stan deployment. If the PFT is truly going back to the squadron, I highly doubt I'll ever wear my AF PT gear again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, war007afa said: Actually, the ABU was part of the struggle in Iraq/Afghanistan. Insurgents routinely targeted the dudes in the “different” uniform first because they had learned who was talking to aircraft. But that has nothing to do with the change in service dress uniform which *might* happen “eventually”. Are you trying to talk about the guys who wore the same uniform as their assigned unit but had a big JTAC patch and a radio strapped to them? The ABU was terrible in the field and should not have been worn in combat as it melts to you. As cubicle camouflage, fine whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 A new service coat is long overdue. The current design sucks and is stupid looking. I'd love to go back to the coat we had in the early 90s or something with heritage. The business suit look is lame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: Are you trying to talk about the guys who wore the same uniform as their assigned unit but had a big JTAC patch and a radio strapped to them? The ABU was terrible in the field and should not have been worn in combat as it melts to you. As cubicle camouflage, fine whatever. This! Initially, JTACs probably wore their ABUs until someone said this is stupid and you guys will be issued the same uniforms as the units you are supporting. I was in Afghanistan back in 2010 so I could be wrong. If you were going to spend time at a FOB with a Task Force, they wanted you in their uniform. No ABUs because they didn't want you to stand out. Pretty sure someone here has more information on this than I do. Edited August 17, 2018 by HarleyQuinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war007afa Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 7:12 PM, Sprkt69 said: The ABU was terrible in the field and should not have been worn in combat as it melts to you. As cubicle camouflage, fine whatever. We appear to be in violent agreement. Initially when our guys went out in the ABU, they were targeted more often because of it. Didn’t take long to quit doing that. 20 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: Pretty sure someone here has more information on this than I do. You mean like the guy who literally said the exact same thing as you did in your argument above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, war007afa said: We appear to be in violent agreement. Initially when our guys went out in the ABU, they were targeted more often because of it. Didn’t take long to quit doing that. You mean like the guy who literally said the exact same thing as you did in your argument above? There is a difference in a JTAC wearing the uniform on missions vs other AF personnel having to wear the uniform on FOBs so they blend in with everyone else. I guess you glossed over that last point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Powers Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: There is a difference in a JTAC wearing the uniform on missions vs other AF personnel having to wear the uniform on FOBs so they blend in with everyone else. I guess you glossed over that last point? Who F#cking cares what uniform people wear? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 You're telling me the enemy, in the middle of a gun fight, could tell the difference between the ABU and the ACU? I call BS on that. I remember shopping for ABU's when they first came out and everyone was laying them on the floor to try and get a matching shade of gray and one Lt Col tried to buy an ABU top with an ACU bottom. They look really freaking similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kenny Powers said: Who F#cking cares what uniform people wear? You prefer a tampon or maxipad? You seem like the string hanging out in the pool type of guy. Edited August 19, 2018 by HarleyQuinn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 You are very odd. 1 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 19 hours ago, StoleIt said: You're telling me the enemy, in the middle of a gun fight, could tell the difference between the ABU and the ACU? I call BS on that. I remember shopping for ABU's when they first came out and everyone was laying them on the floor to try and get a matching shade of gray and one Lt Col tried to buy an ABU top with an ACU bottom. They look really freaking similar. Depends on where the firefight starts. Think urban where the troops are among the populace before the fight initiates. To your point about firefights, the enemy liked to target the dude wearing a backpack radio or the HMMWV/MRAP with extra antennas on it. I was informed prior to deploying downrange that my guys were to wear the ABU when outside the wire. I asked if it was a good idea to have my guys wearing something made for 72 degree cubicles that melts to ones body for combat operations in a desert. I was then told to just pick up my container of crayolas and do as ordered. Officially, I informed my guys of the order. Unofficially I made sure they would not be permanently wearing ABUs if things went sideways outside the wire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: You prefer a tampon or maxipad? You seem like the string hanging out in the pool type of guy. What’s the matter with you? Edited August 20, 2018 by DirkDiggler Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, DirkDiggler said: What’s the matter with you? Sounds like a good thread topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyWatchThis Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 9:02 AM, SocialD said: If the PFT is truly going back to the squadron, I highly doubt I'll ever wear my AF PT gear again. Wait....can we discuss this instead of uniforms for a second? Is this seriously being considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, HeyWatchThis said: Wait....can we discuss this instead of uniforms for a second? Is this seriously being considered? Yes it is. From my understanding is that the CC has to send a memo to the fac saying that they are going to test in house. So once that happens I don’t see why you would even have to wear them unless your ptl is being silly about making you wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, cragspider said: So once that happens I don’t see why you would even have to wear them unless your ptl is being silly about making you wear it. Our PTL will likely be a pilot once again...everyone will just laugh at them if they try to make us wear PT gear. Then they'll be assessed at the next roll call for general douchebaggery. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 18 hours ago, FourFans130 said: Sounds like a good thread topic. As Chief of the Base Ops Uniform Board, I agree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Here’s a great example of what’s wrong in the USAF. Anybody get the mypers email that had critical info from the ACTF NOTAM? I’m sure everyone on here did, not sure how many read it. Issue 1—Contractor Support Program. Every MAJCOM had hired contractors except ours. After a little digging into it a friend got in touch with the guy providing the information. There is no “program, with up to 5 per squadron” it’s just your budget execution and the question was how many contractors have you hired? So what did the ACTF try to do? They tried to make it look like they / USAF was hiring more contractors when in reality it was POMed out years ago or a UFR from the MAJCOM itself. Recommend squadron ccs start using innovation funds to hire people...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Skitzo said: Here’s a great example of what’s wrong in the USAF. Anybody get the mypers email that had critical info from the ACTF NOTAM? I’m sure everyone on here did, not sure how many read it. Issue 1—Contractor Support Program. Every MAJCOM had hired contractors except ours. After a little digging into it a friend got in touch with the guy providing the information. There is no “program, with up to 5 per squadron” it’s just your budget execution and the question was how many contractors have you hired? So what did the ACTF try to do? They tried to make it look like they / USAF was hiring more contractors when in reality it was POMed out years ago or a UFR from the MAJCOM itself. Recommend squadron ccs start using innovation funds to hire people... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So, in non-staff-speak (correct if wrong): MAJCOMs ain't actually paying shit for your "new" contractors and are directing you to use "Innovation Funds" to cover it. Therefore getting credit for more contractors and utilization of "new funds" at the same time? Or that's just your MAJCOM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 1:40 AM, HarleyQuinn said: "How many fired commanders were “distinguished graduates” or fellows in prestigious programs? Nearly all." https://www.airforcetimes.com/opinion/commentary/2018/07/31/commentary-the-air-force-is-not-designed-to-produce-good-leaders/ Col. 'Ned Stark' - You sir are my hero! 👏 This caught the bosses eye... https://warontherocks.com/2018/08/the-air-force-chief-responds-keep-writing-col-ned-stark-and-join-my-team/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 pretty cool. standing by for Guardian to tell us how much he hates Fingers in 3, 2, 1.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Skitzo said: Here’s a great example of what’s wrong in the USAF. Anybody get the mypers email that had critical info from the ACTF NOTAM? I’m sure everyone on here did, not sure how many read it. Issue 1—Contractor Support Program. Every MAJCOM had hired contractors except ours. After a little digging into it a friend got in touch with the guy providing the information. There is no “program, with up to 5 per squadron” it’s just your budget execution and the question was how many contractors have you hired? So what did the ACTF try to do? They tried to make it look like they / USAF was hiring more contractors when in reality it was POMed out years ago or a UFR from the MAJCOM itself. Recommend squadron ccs start using innovation funds to hire people... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I particularly liked the one about how they increased Flight Pay, when right now they aren't paying many of us the maximum amount allowed by law. Pretty disingenuous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 So, in non-staff-speak (correct if wrong): MAJCOMs ain't actually paying shit for your "new" contractors and are directing you to use "Innovation Funds" to cover it. Therefore getting credit for more contractors and utilization of "new funds" at the same time? Or that's just your MAJCOM?No, what I’m saying is that they tried to make it look like there was this huge boost when all they did was report how many contractors were hired thru normal budgetary processes. I was suggesting sq/ccs will have a faster result by using their innovation funds...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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