World War III Updates

[DirkDiggler]

Pretty good secondaries on some of the open source videos coming out, hopefully they hit some solid targets.

[Skitzo]

They only had a week to get out of town....

It’s a careful dance…how to respond properly without escalating vertically or horoztonally.


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[Danger41]

I think they delayed the strikes to not overshadow the return of the remains.

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, Skitzo said:

It’s a careful dance…how to respond properly without escalating vertically or horoztonally.

It's not a careful dance, it's limp dick garbage.  I want maximum carnage as our response to the Tower 22 attack, instead they are telegraphing the strikes a week beforehand and blowing up empty warehouses while all Iranians forward deployed get a couple weeks off at home.  WTF.

No surprises though, the same genius generals who have lost for 20 years are in charge of this retaliatory strike. Of course it's going to be weak bullshit. Bottom line: our enemies don't fear us and so we lose and continue to lose.

I've been hoping to kill Iranians since this attack during my third deployment.  Fuck Iran, they are a paper tiger and we need to show teeth.  All of our supposedly experienced colonels and generals advocate a measured response but we need our boot on their throat or we need to get the fuck out of that AO.  Play to win or go home.

 

Edited February 3, 2024 by tac airlifter

[JimNtexas]

A Lack of Deterrence Leads to More American Deaths

[ClearedHot]

10 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I think they delayed the strikes to not overshadow the return of the remains.

Which is EXACTLY the problem.  No delay...hammer them as a backdrop and message of response for those brave Americans.  I don't want war, but weakness is the wrong signal to people that want to end our way of life.

[dream big]

10 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

It's not a careful dance, it's limp dick garbage.  I want maximum carnage as our response to the Tower 22 attack, instead they are telegraphing the strikes a week beforehand and blowing up empty warehouses while all Iranians forward deployed get a couple weeks off at home.  WTF.

No surprises though, the same genius generals who have lost for 20 years are in charge of this retaliatory strike. Of course it's going to be weak bullshit. Bottom line: our enemies don't fear us and so we lose and continue to lose.

I've been hoping to kill Iranians since this attack during my third deployment.  Fuck Iran, they are a paper tiger and we need to show teeth.  All of our supposedly experienced colonels and generals advocate a measured response but we need our boot on their throat or we need to get the fuck out of that AO.  Play to win or go home.

 

With you 100%, but this one isn’t necessarily on the brass, our indecisive and lack luster policies are driven by the Ivy League academic liberals that make up the OSD staff and quite honestly run the entire defense enterprise (civilian control and all which I’m a huge fan of with the right people.) I’ve seen a handful of our GOs try to do the right thing in combatant commands only to get handcuffed by the shirks up at OSD.

 

 

[fire4effect]

Lindsey Graham said the other day that we can see at least 4 major oil refineries in Iran. Obliterate one and tell those SOBs now you have 3. Want to try for 2? Oil refineries are already primed to blow anyway.

At a minimum hit the pipeline nodes transporting oil to the tankers in port. If they can't get it to port they can't sell it. Now That's a sanction with teeth.

Even if they stack ADA around the refineries it's damned difficult to cover the entire pipeline network. Turn off the cash cow and you turn off the ability to make trouble.

[Clark Griswold]

Lindsey Graham said the other day that we can see at least 4 major oil refineries in Iran. Obliterate one and tell those SOBs now you have 3. Want to try for 2? Oil refineries are already primed to blow anyway.
At a minimum hit the pipeline nodes transporting oil to the tankers in port. If they can't get it to port they can't sell it. Now That's a sanction with teeth.
Even if they stack ADA around the refineries it's damned difficult to cover the entire pipeline network. Turn off the cash cow and you turn off the ability to make trouble.

Strike 3 at first leave 1
That will focus their minds


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[BashiChuni]

3 hours ago, dream big said:

With you 100%, but this one isn’t necessarily on the brass, our indecisive and lack luster policies are driven by the Ivy League academic liberals that make up the OSD staff and quite honestly run the entire defense enterprise (civilian control and all which I’m a huge fan of with the right people.) I’ve seen a handful of our GOs try to do the right thing in combatant commands only to get handcuffed by the shirks up at OSD.

 

 

Then said GOs should resign. Have some moral courage FFS

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, fire4effect said:

Lindsey Graham said the other day that we can see at least 4 major oil refineries in Iran. Obliterate one and tell those SOBs now you have 3. Want to try for 2? Oil refineries are already primed to blow anyway.

That would be horrible for the climate…and the left has told us that climate change is the greatest threat we face.

[tac airlifter]

4 hours ago, dream big said:

With you 100%, but this one isn’t necessarily on the brass, our indecisive and lack luster policies are driven by the Ivy League academic liberals that make up the OSD staff and quite honestly run the entire defense enterprise (civilian control and all which I’m a huge fan of with the right people.) I’ve seen a handful of our GOs try to do the right thing in combatant commands only to get handcuffed by the shirks up at OSD.

I used to think this way too but have changed my mind in the last few years. You are right about Ivy League OSD staff being idiots directly responsible for failed policies (how many of those weaklings have ever been in a fight?) but I also blame senior military leaders.  Many of them are good people with good hearts, but there is a culture of overly compliant subservience which is unhealthy.  They order people to take physical risks, yet they themselves are 0% willing to take moral, administrative or ethical risks on behalf of those people exposed to harm; that is unacceptable.
 

Think about when our nation used to win wars and the generals who led us to victories: Billy Mitchell, Patton, MacArthur... do we have 4 stars today capable of leading boldly and accepting the consequences, their own career be damned? No. 
 

I have also seen a handful of general officers try to do the right thing or push forward mildly aggressive COAs.  However, all of them pivoted at the first sign of resistance for fear of their own progression.  The military still attracts hard-core pipe hitting young people, and God bless them. Unfortunately all of our senior military leadership has proven incapable of winning wars, and yes, I blame them for that failure.

 

[uhhello]

Dyess to Syria/Iraq and back in a B-1 has got to be a bitch.  Is there a spare pilot seat?  

[ViperMan]

21 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Fuck Iran, they are a paper tiger and we need to show teeth.

100%. They would collapse - and I mean collapse - after about four days of full onslaught.

[Danger41]

More strikes in Yemen today on Houthis.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/03/politics/strikes-us-uk-houthi-yemen/index.html

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, ViperMan said:

100%. They would collapse - and I mean collapse - after about four days of full onslaught.

Heck of a price to pay for bases there if it’s not done with full surprise. 

[Lawman]

Lindsey Graham said the other day that we can see at least 4 major oil refineries in Iran. Obliterate one and tell those SOBs now you have 3. Want to try for 2? Oil refineries are already primed to blow anyway.
At a minimum hit the pipeline nodes transporting oil to the tankers in port. If they can't get it to port they can't sell it. Now That's a sanction with teeth.
Even if they stack ADA around the refineries it's damned difficult to cover the entire pipeline network. Turn off the cash cow and you turn off the ability to make trouble.

F’ing Christ….

We are literally running the script of Iron Eagle as Geopolitics now…


Word for word it’s the threat given to rando middle eastern strongman’s military and the reaction at 3:20…


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[Clark Griswold]

100%. They would collapse - and I mean collapse - after about four days of full onslaught.

Zeihan has thoughts on that

My druthers, beating Iran down is worth the risk to the secondary disruption to the global economy.
If you don’t establish deterrence via disproportionate retaliation then prepare for a decade of deadly harassment from rogue nations


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[fire4effect]

3 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

Zeihan has thoughts on that

 

 

 

 

My druthers, beating Iran down is worth the risk to the secondary disruption to the global economy.
If you don’t establish deterrence via disproportionate retaliation then prepare for a decade of deadly harassment from rogue nations


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Something that always struck me about that part of the world was all they really have is oil. Everything else is imported from cars to clothes. And having China "squealin from the feelin" is gravy on top. Militaries don't do well without lots of gas to keep things moving especially in wartime.  Japan learned the hard way in WW2 that sooner or later you have to have the capacity to replace losses.

On a side note take everything you hear from the Iraqi Government with a grain of salt. At least as far back as 2008 the Iraqi Parliament engaged in that time honored Middle Eastern tradition of members taking bribes, from Iran for votes against the interests of the US. I doubt any of that has changed. All about the Benjamin's and without that you don't get to play.

[FourFans]

What ever happened to the US's stance of "If you start a fight with me, I'll finish it"  ???   

Seriously. 

Now it's "please don't start a fight...please please please please...ok fine I have enough dead Americans now and my populace is rather pissed...I'll strike something NEAR you, please don't hurt me"   

This weak dick foreign policy needs to go.

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, FourFans said:

What ever happened to the US's stance of "If you start a fight with me, I'll finish it"  ???   

Seriously. 

Now it's "please don't start a fight...please please please please...ok fine I have enough dead Americans now and my populace is rather pissed...I'll strike something NEAR you, please don't hurt me"   

This weak dick foreign policy needs to go.

It's not going anywhere. The population is more interested in what they can get from the government, and they will elect politicians based on it. Neither Trump or Biden claim any intention of fixing the deficit caused by these giveaways.

 

Any threat to global stability is a threat to the governments' ability to continue the domestic handouts, so they will keep their head in the sand. Ironically, the obsession with short-term stability is going to guarantee the deterioration of conditions long-term.

[Clark Griswold]

Something that always struck me about that part of the world was all they really have is oil. Everything else is imported from cars to clothes. And having China "squealin from the feelin" is gravy on top. Militaries don't do well without lots of gas to keep things moving especially in wartime.  Japan learned the hard way in WW2 that sooner or later you have to have the capacity to replace losses.
On a side note take everything you hear from the Iraqi Government with a grain of salt. At least as far back as 2008 the Iraqi Parliament engaged in that time honored Middle Eastern tradition of members taking bribes, from Iran for votes against the interests of the US. I doubt any of that has changed. All about the Benjamin's and without that you don't get to play.

I think some of them realize that (hydrocarbon export based economies if they have oil/gas and if not they are mainly client states of other powers)
MBS (and a few others) seems to want to try to diversify from just oil exports, they have some financial resources to effect this but will quite a juggling act on his part or any other ME leader who attempts this. They buy social stability with heavy subsidies and keep their clergy in line with generous deference and financial support, can these states keep those two expenses paid while subsidizing a nascent industry that the people of their states can and will do? I’m cynically hopeful for them as I am for parts of America that struggle today


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[GKinnear]

 

Open source reporting it was some remotely piloted American exceptionalism that carried out the strike.

🍻 to the crew if I ever run into them!

 

[uhhello]

20 minutes ago, GKinnear said:

 

Open source reporting it was some remotely piloted American exceptionalism that carried out the strike.

🍻 to the crew if I ever run into them!

 

Ginsu 3000 got em'

[fire4effect]

40 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Ginsu 3000 got em'

Yep, the vehicle sure appeared to have the signature can opener marks.

Too bad they can't buy the wreck and put it on a pole outside of Creech🍻

Edited February 8, 2024 by fire4effect