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https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf

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The Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines were tested using an abortionderived cell line. That type of a link has been for centuries considered remote material cooperation with evil and is never sinful. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine was developed, tested, and is produced, with abortion-derived cell lines. That vaccine is, therefore, more problematic. If it were the only vaccine available, it would be morally permissible, but the faithful Catholic is to make known his or her preference for a more morally acceptable treatment.

 

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17 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

Sounds pretty similar to the vatican’s position, not a lot of countermanding happening.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html

“Thanks to God’s grace and to the work of many, we now have vaccines to protect us from Covid-19,” he said in the video released on Wednesday.

He added that vaccines “bring hope to end the pandemic, but only if they are available to all and if we collaborate with one another.”

Weird...I don't see anything in here about trying to opt out of the vaccine.

 

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18 minutes ago, pawnman said:

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html

“Thanks to God’s grace and to the work of many, we now have vaccines to protect us from Covid-19,” he said in the video released on Wednesday.

He added that vaccines “bring hope to end the pandemic, but only if they are available to all and if we collaborate with one another.”

Weird...I don't see anything in here about trying to opt out of the vaccine.

 

Bro I'm going to trust an arch bishop who went to seminary school 8 years and rose to influential levels of the Catholic church on moral interpretations before I trust some joe off the internet. Trust the experts man. 

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17 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Bro I'm going to trust an arch bishop who went to seminary school 8 years and rose to influential levels of the Catholic church on moral interpretations before I trust some joe off the internet. Trust the experts man. 

Like the Pope?

Seriously... find me a quote from the Pope that matches what the archbishop is saying. 

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https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html

Weird...I don't see anything in here about trying to opt out of the vaccine.
 

Well that’s because you’re only looking for what fits your narrative, and not for the Holy See’s position on the morality of vaccines and a vaccine mandate. Literally the second result on the Vatican website when you search the word vaccine:

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html

“5. At the same time, practical reason makes evident that vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary. In any case, from the ethical point of view, the morality of vaccination depends not only on the duty to protect one's own health, but also on the duty to pursue the common good. In the absence of other means to stop or even prevent the epidemic, the common good may recommend vaccination, especially to protect the weakest and most exposed. Those who, however, for reasons of conscience, refuse vaccines produced with cell lines from aborted fetuses, must do their utmost to avoid, by other prophylactic means and appropriate behavior, becoming vehicles for the transmission of the infectious agent. In particular, they must avoid any risk to the health of those who cannot be vaccinated for medical or other reasons, and who are the most vulnerable.”

Which is in fact pretty close to Broglio’s:
“Notwithstanding the moral permissibility of these vaccines, the Church treasures her teaching on the sanctity of conscience…Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would
violate the sanctity of his or her conscience.
Individuals possess the “civil right not to be hindered in leading their lives in accordance with their consciences.”6 Even if an individual’s decision seems erroneous or inconsistent to others, conscience does not lose its dignity. This belief permeates Catholic moral theology as well as First Amendment jurisprudence. As stated by the United States
Supreme Court, “[R]
eligious beliefs need not be acceptable, logical, consistent, or comprehensible to others in order to merit First Amendment protection.”7
The denial of religious accommodations, or punitive or adverse personnel actions
taken against those who raise earnest, conscience-based objections, would be contrary
to federal law and morally reprehensible.
Those who refuse the COVID-19 vaccine must continue to act in charity for their
neighbors and for the common good by undertaking means to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 through wearing face coverings, social distancing “
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Like the Pope?
Seriously... find me a quote from the Pope that matches what the archbishop is saying. 

Maybe don’t cherry pick one quote from someone that doesn’t actually address the same topic as the original. In yours, the Pope doesn’t address the morality of mandates at all.

The topic the Archbishop was addressing was is it moral to force someone to get vaccinated, which the Vatican has the same stated view on in the article entitled “Note on the morality of using some anti-Covid-19 vaccines” https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html

It’s written by the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, which is what the Archbishop literally quotes in his statement.
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27 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:


Maybe don’t cherry pick one quote from someone that doesn’t actually address the same topic as the original. In yours, the Pope doesn’t address the morality of mandates at all.

The topic the Archbishop was addressing was is it moral to force someone to get vaccinated, which the Vatican has the same stated view on in the article entitled “Note on the morality of using some anti-Covid-19 vaccines” https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html

It’s written by the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, which is what the Archbishop literally quotes in his statement.

You are arguing with a nihilist…

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1 hour ago, GrndPndr said:

"You Are Hereby Reprimanded!"

I thought this was something from the trials and tribulations of our Marine O6, but it's AirForce

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/10/you-are-hereby-reprimanded-airman-told-begin-separation-due-vaccine-refusal/186118/

Good to see Col Curry (319 RW/CC) really lead in the most Air Force-way possible.  Set a 28 Sept deadline, in order to come in a full five weeks ahead of the 2 Nov deadline given by the Air Force.  Way to lean forward Colonel.

Also, have to wonder how strange these letters sound to anyone who hasn't been in the military.  "You are hereby reprimanded!  You are ordered to proceed to transition class, where you will be counseled on how to make you transition to civilian life as smooth as possible.  Also, make sure to get checked out at the clinic."

I think some people are assuming you'll get marched to the front gate and literally "kicked" out onto the street.

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10 minutes ago, Blue said:

Good to see Col Curry (319 RW/CC) really lead in the most Air Force-way possible.  Set a 28 Sept deadline, in order to come in a full five weeks ahead of the 2 Nov deadline given by the Air Force.  Way to lean forward Colonel.

Also, have to wonder how strange these letters sound to anyone who hasn't been in the military.  "You are hereby reprimanded!  You are ordered to proceed to transition class, where you will be counseled on how to make you transition to civilian life as smooth as possible.  Also, make sure to get checked out at the clinic."

I think some people are assuming you'll get marched to the front gate and literally "kicked" out onto the street.

But did you see his Master's in Pastoral Counseling from Liberty, VA?!...the morality class (catholic centric maybe??) must've been online, and wonder what (and if) he discussed in it...intriguing twist

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Good to see Col Curry (319 RW/CC) really lead in the most Air Force-way possible.  Set a 28 Sept deadline, in order to come in a full five weeks ahead of the 2 Nov deadline given by the Air Force.  Way to lean forward Colonel.
Also, have to wonder how strange these letters sound to anyone who hasn't been in the military.  "You are hereby reprimanded!  You are ordered to proceed to transition class, where you will be counseled on how to make you transition to civilian life as smooth as possible.  Also, make sure to get checked out at the clinic."
I think some people are assuming you'll get marched to the front gate and literally "kicked" out onto the street.


Is it normal to only see the last 5 assignments in the bio? I feel like they usually list everything. DS to Vice to CC of the same wing in 3 years…also, unusual to me.

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2 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

No explanation from the elites 

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It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. 

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9 minutes ago, Pooter said:

It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. 

Are what ifs are open?

What if, instead of locking down the country and forcing people to PIO their social interactions we just lived normal lives? I think more people would have been sick sooner, but do you think we’d be past it sooner as well? Are we delaying the inevitable and attempting to control an uncontrollable force of nature? Will letting it run its natural course bring a large immediate death toll but then taper significantly? I’m not smart enough to know, but I don’t believe anybody out there is either. All of the predictions have been wrong at this point. 

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6 hours ago, Pooter said:

It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. 

Are you saying the experts were "surprised" when a virus mutated? If so we may need to evaluate their credentialed expertise. 

But this was totally predictable. Only the US is having these massive communication failures. In Europe they were talking about Delta concerns with the vaccine as far back as February. I remember a TIME article from January that predicted the virus would likely out mutate the vaccine and the likely conclusion to the pandemic would be mutation to a variant that human society can tolerate. 

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11 hours ago, Pooter said:

It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. 

YOU THINK (((BEN SHAPIRO))) is part of the U.S. conservative movement? HAHAHAAHHA

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15 hours ago, Day Man said:

justifying positions based on cherry-picked religious positions...this is my surprised face.

Maybe this one will have fewer spelling errors. 

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On 10/15/2021 at 8:51 PM, Standby said:

Are what ifs are open?

What if, instead of locking down the country and forcing people to PIO their social interactions we just lived normal lives? I think more people would have been sick sooner, but do you think we’d be past it sooner as well? Are we delaying the inevitable and attempting to control an uncontrollable force of nature? Will letting it run its natural course bring a large immediate death toll but then taper significantly? I’m not smart enough to know, but I don’t believe anybody out there is either. All of the predictions have been wrong at this point. 

The counter argument to letting covid just do its thing has always been healthcare capacity. The peak of our last two spikes already overwhelmed hospitals in certain places and that was with all of the mitigation measures in place. 

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