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If Trump had only listened to the IP and learned to STFU he would still be POTUS. He is his own worst enemy, not for standing up to the political elite and calling them out, but for the indiscriminate shit flinging at any and everyone (even when clueless about his target). He is a classical liberal, but I'd take a liberal any day over the lunacy of the new left.

 
 

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On 7/13/2021 at 4:32 PM, hockeydork said:

Do they tho? How many middle classers chose to be cheapos? Example, and this is a true story and if I am lying may the fighter gods banish me from having any shot at a pointy. During the 2016 run-up, I had two coworkers, adamant Trump supporters, Bernie and Hillary are socialists, going to destroy the country blah blah. That's FINE. BOTH of them needed tires for their cars, I was like "buy these Coopers they're made in the USA I got them for my car at a fair price". What do they BOTH do? "Give me the cheapest Shengzin whatever tire from Sears". Where were they made? China. Some people do it to themselves. Some people really don't have a choice and are barely scraping by, and yes those people I empathize for and the system needs to do better for them, but a lot of people do it to themselves. I don't care who you are, Walmart greeter, submarine engineer or a baseops F-35 super hero. If you complain we don't make anything here and manufacturing is in the gutter but than actively select to purchase the cheapest foreign stuff when there exists a domestically produced alternative? F*ck you. Rant off. 

This illustrates my point even more. If middle class people won’t do it, why would people who actually have no money?

In my experience, unless you’re getting significantly better quality for the higher cost, people dgaf where things are produced. They’ll bitch and moan about China, but it is definitely not in the vast majority of American’s minds or capabilities to actually give a damn.

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On 7/13/2021 at 9:10 PM, Lord Ratner said:

I have many relatives who refuse to move away from CA. They spend a lot of time complaining about how expensive it is, and the limited job opportunities. But when I tell them to leave... No way.

The funny thing is, there actually are tons of job opportunities in CA if you have skills and expertise that the upper echelon of the market desires. It's the type of place you go when you want to maximize your career potential (along with NYC, LA, SF, DC, etc.) The typical upper class trust fund kid or Ivy kid graduating with elite prospects is going to move to place on the coast, not Nashville or Dallas...unless they have a personally compelling reason to be elsewhere.

But yes I also agree that if you can't handle it out here, then you probably need to pack up and move on, because it'll break you if you don't.

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- Justice Dept admitting it covered up the Hunter Biden laptop story which includes them actively investigating him for tax evasion (say, while you're at it, you might want to check on him for lying when purchasing a handgun..) because they "didn't want to seem political during an election."

- WH Press Secretary admitting this Administration has been working with various Big Social Media companies to have voices silenced "because they are spreading 'disinformation.'"  Say, who decides that anyway?  I'd like to be part of the 'in crowd' deciding what the plebes can say or see...

- Fulton County had at least 4,400+ illegal votes during the 2020 election.  In a state that Trump lost by 12,000-ish votes.  So one county had 1/3 of the difference and the only one that had an audit.  And this coming from reporting by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, about as liberal a paper as there is.

- Maricopa County audit looks like 74,000 mail-in ballots received than were sent out officially.  Nothing see there, yet Congress wants to investigate the investigators.

- The DOJ IG hammers the FBI for missing/covering up for years info on the now imprisoned Olympic Committee doctor who abused young girl athletes.  Sure does seem like the FBI's been "missing" a bunch of stuff in the last years - San Bernadino shooter, the Lakeland shooter, the Pulse Night Club shooter, etc, etc.

- Groceries and gas seem to be a tad bit more expensive nowadays as well.

 

But twitter has been remarkably upbeat and nice so that's a fair trade.

 

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24 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

- Justice Dept admitting it covered up the Hunter Biden laptop story which includes them actively investigating him for tax evasion (say, while you're at it, you might want to check on him for lying when purchasing a handgun..) because they "didn't want to seem political during an election."

- WH Press Secretary admitting this Administration has been working with various Big Social Media companies to have voices silenced "because they are spreading 'disinformation.'"  Say, who decides that anyway?  I'd like to be part of the 'in crowd' deciding what the plebes can say or see...

- Fulton County had at least 4,400+ illegal votes during the 2020 election.  In a state that Trump lost by 12,000-ish votes.  So one county had 1/3 of the difference and the only one that had an audit.  And this coming from reporting by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, about as liberal a paper as there is.

- Maricopa County audit looks like 74,000 mail-in ballots received than were sent out officially.  Nothing see there, yet Congress wants to investigate the investigators.

- The DOJ IG hammers the FBI for missing/covering up for years info on the now imprisoned Olympic Committee doctor who abused young girl athletes.  Sure does seem like the FBI's been "missing" a bunch of stuff in the last years - San Bernadino shooter, the Lakeland shooter, the Pulse Night Club shooter, etc, etc.

- Groceries and gas seem to be a tad bit more expensive nowadays as well.

 

But twitter has been remarkably upbeat and nice so that's a fair trade.

 

1. Wasn’t the “laptop story” coming from someone who was recently had their law license suspended in two separate jurisdictions? Hmmm.

2. Who gets to decide what’s said their platform? The owner of said platform. Don’t like it? You’re free to make your own.
 

3. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/15/georgias-raffensperger-calls-firing-fulton-election-officials/7983338002/

Three separate audits of Georgia's 2020 election results found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.”

4. https://apnews.com/article/f0c36df59ee1069d65aa6a70a22d88cc
 

“CLAIM: Arizona’s largest county in the 2020 election received and counted 74,000 mail-in ballots that had no record of ever being sent out to voters.

THE FACTS: False. The claim mischaracterizes reports that are intended to help political parties track early voters for their get-out-the-vote efforts, not tally mail-in ballots through Election Day. The reports don’t represent all mail-in ballots sent out and received, so the numbers aren’t expected to match up, according to Maricopa County officials and outside experts. 

“We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent,” Logan said at a meeting livestreamed at Arizona’s Capitol on Thursday. “That could be something where documentation wasn’t done right. There’s a clerical issue. There’s not proper things there, but I think when we’ve got 74,000, it merits knocking on a door and validating some of this information.”

Logan based his false claim on two types of early voting reports issued by Maricopa County: EV32 files and EV33 files. He claimed that EV32 files are “supposed to give a record of when a mail-in ballot is sent” and EV33 files are “supposed to give a record of when the mail-in ballot is received.”

That’s not accurate, according to Maricopa County officials, who tweeted on Friday that “the EV32 Returns & EV33 files are not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received.”

Instead, the EV32 and EV33 files are reports created for political parties to aid them in their get-out-the-vote efforts during early voting, according to Tammy Patrick, a senior adviser at the Democracy Fund and a former Maricopa County elections official. Arizona law requires county recorders to provide this data to political parties and candidates, Patrick said.”

6. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/04/gasoline-prices-gop-biden-497947
 

It’s an old tactic employed by opposition parties to blame sitting presidents when fuel prices rise on their watch — and one that Republicans unsuccessfully tried to wield against Barack Obama during a recovering economy a decade ago. This time, they are pointing to Biden's ambitious climate change plans, his pause on leases for new oil wells on federal lands, and his cancellation of the permits for the Keystone XL pipeline as the culprits, although none of those steps have had any immediate impact on what motorists pay at the pump.

Experts largely agree that the White House usually has little to do with short-term moves in gasoline prices, which are a factor of global oil prices, U.S. refinery operations, and — especially this year — a sharp jump in demand from drivers as people emerge from lockdowns and travel resumes.“

 

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33 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

 

2. Who gets to decide what’s said their platform? The owner of said platform. Don’t like it? You’re free to make your own.
 

 

 

 

Did you miss the part where the Government is working with private companies to silence voices? Or is government censorship something you’re cool with? 

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57 minutes ago, kaputt said:

Did you miss the part where the Government is working with private companies to silence voices? Or is government censorship something you’re cool with? 

By silence you mean telling social media platforms to cutdown on misinformation? It’s not a First Amendment violation since it’s up to the social media platforms to either delete it or not, the government isn’t disposing directly. Suggest you chicken littles focus on the 2024 election.

If social media platforms are unfairly targeting conservatives saying they’re the root cause of misinformation, then why are Ted Cruz, Ben Shapiro, Lauren Boebert, and that CrossFit Nazi from Georgia’s accounts not deleted?

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16 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

By silence you mean telling social media platforms to cutdown on misinformation? It’s not a First Amendment violation since it’s up to the social media platforms to either delete it or not, the government isn’t disposing directly. Suggest you chicken littles focus on the 2024 election.

If social media platforms are unfairly targeting conservatives saying they’re the root cause of misinformation, then why are Ted Cruz, Ben Shapiro, Lauren Boebert, and that CrossFit Nazi from Georgia’s accounts not deleted?

I don’t even know what to say man. Presumably you’re a US Citizen and a military officer, and you are okay with the government of this country having a role in censorship. That’s shocking.  
 

I don’t care if they are flagging the most asinine and uneducated COVID conspiracy posts ever, the government has no business deciding what can or cannot be said. 

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16 minutes ago, kaputt said:

I don’t even know what to say man. Presumably you’re a US Citizen and a military officer, and you are okay with the government of this country having a role in censorship. That’s shocking.  
 

I don’t care if they are flagging the most asinine and uneducated COVID conspiracy posts ever, the government has no business deciding what can or cannot be said. 

The government isn’t deciding, the owners of the social media platforms are. Also, the First Amendment does not protect against knowingly false statement of fact. If that was the case, then explain why the Kraken Legal Team facing possible sanctions up to disbarment for their inherently bad faith voter fraud lawsuits.  

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The government isn’t deciding, the owners of the social media platforms are. Also, the First Amendment does not protect against knowingly false statement of fact. If that was the case, then explain why the Kraken Legal Team facing possible sanctions up to disbarment for their inherently bad faith voter fraud lawsuits.  

“Hey private company, censor this speech for us.”

Sounds like the government is indeed 1000% restricting free speech.
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“Hey private company, censor this speech for us.”

Sounds like the government is indeed 1000% restricting free speech.


You know how much we roast other countries for doing the same thing, right?
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53 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

It’s not a First Amendment violation since it’s up to the social media platforms to either delete it or not, the government isn’t disposing directly.

 

16 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

The government isn’t deciding, the owners of the social media platforms are.

It's a pretty shallow analysis to say that because Facebook (et al) are private companies, when they censor speech, it's not the government doing it. In fact, however, there is established legal precedent which (time and again) has determined that when government pressures or otherwise incentivises a company to act on their behalf, that action has become a de facto governmental action.

The reason for this is simple. If it was just as simple as saying "hey private company, restrict this speech we don't like so it's not us doing it and we'll hook you up in some way," would free speech really mean what we all think of it as? Of course not, which is why there have been numerous court cases which have decided that the government cannot use private companies as a proxy to accomplish what they are otherwise forbidden from doing. Which, in this case, is restricting speech.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/save-the-constitution-from-big-tech-11610387105

For example:

"For more than half a century courts have held that governmental threats can turn private conduct into state action. In Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963), the Supreme Court found a First Amendment violation when a private bookseller stopped selling works state officials deemed “objectionable” after they sent him a veiled threat of prosecution."

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13 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:


“Hey private company, censor this speech for us.”

Sounds like the government is indeed 1000% restricting free speech.

Yeah, cause tech companies give a fuck what the Feds want all the time. It’s also not censoring when you’re free to go to another platform and say whatever you want. You know, for the six minutes you guys were on Parler and learned that the tech giants also own all the major cloud hosting services.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/fbi-and-apple-are-poised-for-another-privacy-disagreement.html

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3 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

 

It's a pretty shallow analysis to say that because Facebook (et al) are private companies, when they censor speech, it's not the government doing it. In fact, however, there is established legal precedent which (time and again) has determined that when government pressures or otherwise incentivises a company to act on their behalf, that action has become a de facto governmental action.

The reason for this is simple. If it was just as simple as saying "hey private company, restrict this speech we don't like so it's not us doing it and we'll hook you up in some way," would free speech really mean what we all think of it as? Of course not, which is why there have been numerous court cases which have decided that the government cannot use private companies as a proxy to accomplish what they are otherwise forbidden from doing. Which, in this case, is restricting speech.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/save-the-constitution-from-big-tech-11610387105

For example:

"For more than half a century courts have held that governmental threats can turn private conduct into state action. In Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963), the Supreme Court found a First Amendment violation when a private bookseller stopped selling works state officials deemed “objectionable” after they sent him a veiled threat of prosecution."

Where did the government say they were going to levy legal action against the tech giants if they didn’t “censor” free speech?

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54 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Yeah, cause tech companies give a fuck what the Feds want all the time. It’s also not censoring when you’re free to go to another platform and say whatever you want. You know, for the six minutes you guys were on Parler and learned that the tech giants also own all the major cloud hosting services.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/fbi-and-apple-are-poised-for-another-privacy-disagreement.html

So I’m confused…should businesses have to bake the cake or not?  Since someone can go to a different bakery…

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18 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

So I’m confused…should businesses have to bake the cake or not?  Since someone can go to a different bakery…

Standard

Is someone refusing to bake a cake because they’re being discriminatory over a protected class or someone or is someone just refusing to bake a cake due to it violating their own protected class? The SCOTUS didn’t take a broad interpretation in Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission for good reason.

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1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

The government isn’t deciding, the owners of the social media platforms are. Also, the First Amendment does not protect against knowingly false statement of fact. If that was the case, then explain why the Kraken Legal Team facing possible sanctions up to disbarment for their inherently bad faith voter fraud lawsuits.  

Dude, we are not talking about a legal case or the requirements that a law team is bound to abide by in a court of law. We are talking average and normal people posting on social media that may have the government flagging their speech as not correct. 
 

That is a problem. The fact that you don’t see that as a problem is very telling. 
 

Like I said, I don’t care if they are spewing BS about COVID, saying the earth is flat, or even hate speech. The fact is, the government has no legal right to play any part in deciding what is allowed to be said and what is not. 
 

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/what-type-of-speech-is-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment-34258
“What Type of Speech Is Not Protected by the First Amendment?”

Saying you got 5G from a Covid vax, no matter how wrong that is, is not in there.

 

 

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if donald trump's administration was flagging speech they disagreed with across all social media platforms Sue Sponte and the left would lose a fucking gasket.

jesus christ the fact people aren't pissed about this gives me zero hope (among other things) for the survival of our "democracy"

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4 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

1. Wasn’t the “laptop story” coming from someone who was recently had their law license suspended in two separate jurisdictions? Hmmm.   

2. Who gets to decide what’s said their platform? The owner of said platform. Don’t like it? You’re free to make your own.
 

3. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/15/georgias-raffensperger-calls-firing-fulton-election-officials/7983338002/

Three separate audits of Georgia's 2020 election results found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.”

4. https://apnews.com/article/f0c36df59ee1069d65aa6a70a22d88cc
 

“CLAIM: Arizona’s largest county in the 2020 election received and counted 74,000 mail-in ballots that had no record of ever being sent out to voters.

THE FACTS: False. The claim mischaracterizes reports that are intended to help political parties track early voters for their get-out-the-vote efforts, not tally mail-in ballots through Election Day. The reports don’t represent all mail-in ballots sent out and received, so the numbers aren’t expected to match up, according to Maricopa County officials and outside experts. 

“We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent,” Logan said at a meeting livestreamed at Arizona’s Capitol on Thursday. “That could be something where documentation wasn’t done right. There’s a clerical issue. There’s not proper things there, but I think when we’ve got 74,000, it merits knocking on a door and validating some of this information.”

Logan based his false claim on two types of early voting reports issued by Maricopa County: EV32 files and EV33 files. He claimed that EV32 files are “supposed to give a record of when a mail-in ballot is sent” and EV33 files are “supposed to give a record of when the mail-in ballot is received.”

That’s not accurate, according to Maricopa County officials, who tweeted on Friday that “the EV32 Returns & EV33 files are not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received.”

Instead, the EV32 and EV33 files are reports created for political parties to aid them in their get-out-the-vote efforts during early voting, according to Tammy Patrick, a senior adviser at the Democracy Fund and a former Maricopa County elections official. Arizona law requires county recorders to provide this data to political parties and candidates, Patrick said.”

6. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/04/gasoline-prices-gop-biden-497947
 

It’s an old tactic employed by opposition parties to blame sitting presidents when fuel prices rise on their watch — and one that Republicans unsuccessfully tried to wield against Barack Obama during a recovering economy a decade ago. This time, they are pointing to Biden's ambitious climate change plans, his pause on leases for new oil wells on federal lands, and his cancellation of the permits for the Keystone XL pipeline as the culprits, although none of those steps have had any immediate impact on what motorists pay at the pump.

Experts largely agree that the White House usually has little to do with short-term moves in gasoline prices, which are a factor of global oil prices, U.S. refinery operations, and — especially this year — a sharp jump in demand from drivers as people emerge from lockdowns and travel resumes.“

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/16/hunter-biden-probe-prosecutor-499782

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Last summer, federal officials in Delaware investigating Hunter Biden faced a dilemma. The probe had reached a point where prosecutors could have sought search warrants and issued a flurry of grand jury subpoenas. Some officials involved in the case wanted to do just that. Others urged caution. They advised Delaware’s U.S. Attorney, David Weiss, to avoid taking any actions that could alert the public to the existence of the case in the middle of a presidential election.

Maricopa County officials, the same ones who fought in court to prevent, then stop any audit, say the results being found is wrong.  Totally legit.  Hmmm?

 

So is the incumbent responsible for what happens on his watch?  Pretty sure the answer is yes.

And the government "asking" private companies to censor citizens on the government's behalf seems totally not a bad thing.  Especially since the government can sue said company into oblivion with lawsuit after lawsuit, regulation after regulation.  Sure, the company can do what it wants.

 

But I do admit twitter is a more cheery place now.  So you do you.

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11 minutes ago, kaputt said:

Dude, we are not talking about a legal case or the requirements that a law team is bound to abide by in a court of law. We are talking average and normal people posting on social media that may have the government flagging their speech as not correct. 
 

That is a problem. The fact that you don’t see that as a problem is very telling. 
 

Like I said, I don’t care if they are spewing BS about COVID, saying the earth is flat, or even hate speech. The fact is, the government has no legal right to play any part in deciding what is allowed to be said and what is not. 
 

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/what-type-of-speech-is-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment-34258
“What Type of Speech Is Not Protected by the First Amendment?”

Saying you got 5G from a Covid vax, no matter how wrong that is, is not in there.

 

 

The “law team” was spewing bullshit of rampant voter fraud through the media despite little to no evidence, which caused them to lose every lawsuit they filed. Said lawsuits were filed in bad faith based on their “free speech,” and are now facing some very serious professional implications because of their “free speech” isn’t so protected.

The irony is the fact that a good majority of you are in the military, the one organization that can severely suppress free speech.

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2 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/16/hunter-biden-probe-prosecutor-499782

Maricopa County officials, the same ones who fought in court to prevent, then stop any audit, say the results being found is wrong.  Totally legit.  Hmmm?

 

So is the incumbent responsible for what happens on his watch?  Pretty sure the answer is yes.

And the government "asking" private companies to censor citizens on the government's behalf seems totally not a bad thing.  Especially since the government can sue said company into oblivion with lawsuit after lawsuit, regulation after regulation.  Sure, the company can do what it wants.

 

But I do admit twitter is a more cheery place now.  So you do you.

I don’t really read your echo chamber comments. I’m honestly surprised you don’t just post a meme without any rebuttal.

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9 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

if donald trump's administration was flagging speech they disagreed with across all social media platforms Sue Sponte and the left would lose a fucking gasket.

jesus christ the fact people aren't pissed about this gives me zero hope (among other things) for the survival of our "democracy"

We get it war hawk, America is being eroded. Better buy that ranch in Wyoming and to surround yourself with your conservative Boomer friends.

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15 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

if donald trump's administration was flagging speech they disagreed with across all social media platforms Sue Sponte and the left would lose a fucking gasket.

jesus christ the fact people aren't pissed about this gives me zero hope (among other things) for the survival of our "democracy"

Yeah, Trump just had the DOJ via lapdog Barr secretly subpoena his enemies data, including his own attorney. That’s not insane at all.

https://apnews.com/article/1252749aa9ad526cc01d633949bd9b5a

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4 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

The “law team” was spewing bullshit of rampant voter fraud through the media despite little to no evidence, which caused them to lose every lawsuit they filed. Said lawsuits were filed in bad faith based on their “free speech,” and are now facing some very serious professional implications because of their “free speech” isn’t so protected.

The irony is the fact that a good majority of you are in the military, the one organization that can severely suppress free speech.

Clown post brotha. 
 

No one is fucking talking about or defending Trump’s legal team anywhere in here. The only one who brought that up is you, and I already addressed how that is in no way related to the situation at hand.  
 

And that’s rich, your irony comment. Of course the military is not a “free society”. The irony of that has existed, and jokes have been made about that, for decades now. But there is one thing that the military supports and that is the Constitution. Which apparently is something you appear to wipe your ass with, 1st amendment in particular.  

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