What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Usually the least maneuverable aircraft leads a mixed formation. 

Did all of the available B-1 fleet at Dyess get generated for the one in the flyover?

[pawnman]

38 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Did all of the available B-1 fleet at Dyess get generated for the one in the flyover?

It was an Ellsworth jet, but I'm sure they had three ready to go.

[GKinnear]

11 hours ago, uhhello said:

They skipped over the usual MAJCOM Chiefs and went deeper into the NAFs (non-standard) to select her.

And from what I've heard, as soon as they announced they were looking into NAFs, everyone knew the game was rigged.

[Sua Sponte]

11 hours ago, GKinnear said:

And from what I've heard, as soon as they announced they were looking into NAFs, everyone knew the game was rigged.

Of course the game is rigged. She checks two important diversity boxes, and she was solely hired off that. She wasn't the best person for the job, and it currently shows via her buffoonery on social media.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Sua Sponte

[HuggyU2]

The BUFF should have been pulling a banner that stated “Bring back SAC”

Also... 1+2+52 = 55. 

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Of course the game is rigged. She checks two important diversity boxes, and she was solely hired off that. She wasn't the best person for the job, and it currently shows via her buffoonery on social media.

If only they'd dug deeper than NAF, they'd have found more qualified people who ALSO checked diversity boxes instead of someone who homesteaded at Ramstein for 15 years.

Edited February 8, 2021 by pawnman

[Tank]

25 minutes ago, MyCS said:

Wait what.. counting on toes 🦶 and fingers 🖐️. My public school math skills at work.

Pawnman off the top rope with the peoples elbow!

 

Quick question. My boy (officer) in cyber has been stationed in Italy, Korea, Germany, TX, CO, and FL. You guys ever wonder what life would have been like selecting a different job with the opportunity to PCS anywhere? 

I would never trade being a pilot for cyber but yes, his locations definitely beat my Pope, Vance, Whiteman, Osan, & Columbus!

I would say my locations are still better than Cannon, Holloman, Minot, & Laughlin.  But that’s my opinion...

[FLEA]

10 hours ago, MyCS said:

True. But would your spouse feel the same way? 

Now you really made me feel good about 7 day opting my assignment to Laughlin! 

And the Chief is done. When people start roasting you on YouTube.. it's over.

https://youtu.be/a3p3S89PX74

Why she isn't already removed for this is beyond me. 

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, FLEA said:

Why she isn't already removed for this is beyond me. 

Optics.

Can't preach diversity then remove your diversity hire only a few months in.  Or less than a full month into the Biden administration, which also ran on a platform of diversity.

[Duck]

How in the world did she even make E-9??? Never mind, I know why, forget I asked.


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[pawnman]

29 minutes ago, Duck said:

How in the world did she even make E-9??? Never mind, I know why, forget I asked.


Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

And here a year ago I was told I was passed over for Lt Col because I didn't have enough "career broadening" (although on the new boards broken down by category...my time in the cockpit suddenly became valuable enough to get promoted.  So I guess I win).

Ah, well...guess I'll just have to console myself with my aviation bonus money.

[FourFans]

What I can't understand is why everyone is so up in arms about some old, old wooden ship!

Edited February 12, 2021 by FourFans130

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, Tiger said:

Just curious, did anyone here receive an email about filling out some sort of survey for Bass?  I was sent a word document asking me to write in problems with the Air Force, and suggested solutions. Supposedly the answers are going straight to Bass in a non-attribution manner.

On the one hand...I don't believe anything coming directly from my own email is non-attribution.

On the other hand...I already have a line number to Lt Col.  So not exactly afraid of a chief at any level.

[jazzdude]

Just curious, did anyone here receive an email about filling out some sort of survey for Bass?  I was sent a word document asking me to write in problems with the Air Force, and suggested solutions. Supposedly the answers are going straight to Bass in a non-attribution manner.

Is it on the AF-approved survey list?...Or is the CMSAF going off script and ignoring AF policy?

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, MyCS said:

Any advice?

stop posting your trolling Shazaam shit in irrelevant threads?

[MCO]

9 hours ago, Day Man said:

stop posting your trolling Shazaam shit in irrelevant threads?

Careful, last time I called him out he went and found my last 18 posts and down voted all of them, lol.

Edited February 13, 2021 by MCO

[FLEA]

6 minutes ago, MCO said:

Careful, last time I called him out he went and found my last 18 posts and down voted all of them, lol.

Oh man. It's a shame those airline interviews treat your baseops.net reputation as important as your flying hours. You need at least 1500 likes I hear to even get in the door. 😂

Edited February 13, 2021 by FLEA

[SurelySerious]

Sounds familiar: Computers/Email decrease productivity when you account for getting rid of the staff that used to perform those tasks, thereby putting that work on the formerly supported members

[SocialD]

59 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

Sounds familiar...

 

Reminds me of when I log a pay card, just to log pay cards.  What used to take less than a minute, has turned into a 15-20 minutes minimum, IF the network is running good.  It was bad enough at one point that one of our pilots wouldn't start his debrief until he successfully logged his pay card.  Either way, he left work at the same time.  

[Majestik Møøse]

Nah. The problem isn’t technology, it’s bureaucrats. And that applies to the dinosaur civilian companies as much as it does to the government. This dude is talking about sending emails and attachments, FFS. Dinosaur shit.

More tech just makes bureaucrats demand more bureaucratic activities be accomplished. For organizations that actually get shit done, collaboration software accelerates their accomplishments. In the end it’s all about leadership.

[SurelySerious]

7 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Nah. The problem isn’t technology, it’s bureaucrats. And that applies to the dinosaur civilian companies as much as it does to the government. This dude is talking about sending emails and attachments, FFS. Dinosaur shit.

More tech just makes bureaucrats demand more bureaucratic activities be accomplished. For organizations that actually get shit done, collaboration software accelerates their accomplishments. In the end it’s all about leadership.

Sending emails is just one example. Another is doing your DTS voucher instead of being able to have the squadron CSS just handle it, because we’ve got this great new system that “simplified” and made a task “more efficient “ so that we could get rid of the CSS, thereby taking more time away from you the actual producer of things in the Air Force. That’s his main argument: You’re now finance and IT and every other support agency as we have complained about ad nauseam on the forum. 
 

 

[Majestik Møøse]

Dude that’s still because the bureaucrats suck. The JTR is 690 pages long, but they can’t make an app that works on an iPhone that allows you to just enter expenses in real time. If there was some finance airman manually entering all that shit based on a piece of paper you filled out, you’d be spending a lot of extra time telling him to fix it.

Sort of like filling out a paper 175 and faxing it to Baseops so an airman can translate that to the actual system. Foreflight solved that ridiculousness, and a real travel expense app worth a shit would make you never want to go back to an 18yo attempting to translate your intent.

[SurelySerious]

46 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Dude that’s still because the bureaucrats suck. The JTR is 690 pages long, but they can’t make an app that works on an iPhone that allows you to just enter expenses in real time. If there was some finance airman manually entering all that shit based on a piece of paper you filled out, you’d be spending a lot of extra time telling him to fix it.

Sort of like filling out a paper 175 and faxing it to Baseops so an airman can translate that to the actual system. Foreflight solved that ridiculousness, and a real travel expense app worth a shit would make you never want to go back to an 18yo attempting to translate your intent.

But you’re still taking the time to do the function previously fulfilled by someone else instead of executing the mission because the computerized system has made it so that the leadership can do away with support. You’re proving his point. 
 

Re Foreflight: There’s definitely a reason airlines have a huge dispatch operation instead of each crew trying to hack out their own Foreflight flight plan. Sometimes the AF pulls this off right in the AOC, but almost exclusively during contingency ops. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by SurelySerious

[Tank]

8 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

But you’re still taking the time to do the function previously fulfilled by someone else instead of executing the mission because the computerized system has made it so that the leadership can do away with support. You’re proving his point. 

The best is when it gets kicked back 6-9 times and you have to fix one minor problem every time.  Then when you fix the problem it has to go through the entire approval process all over again to then just get kicked back by the final approver again.  

Rinse and repeat for eFinance also on the AFRC side...

 

[jazzdude]

Sending emails is just one example. Another is doing your DTS voucher instead of being able to have the squadron CSS just handle it, because we’ve got this great new system that “simplified” and made a task “more efficient “ so that we could get rid of the CSS, thereby taking more time away from you the actual producer of things in the Air Force. That’s his main argument: You’re now finance and IT and every other support agency as we have complained about ad nauseam on the forum. 

It sucks for the individual, but welcome to the realities of working under a constrained budget (especially for an organization that does not care to be efficient).

Think of it terms of costs paid by the Air Force.

Sure, you *feel* less productive in your primary job. But does your squadron fly fewer sorties/missions because of individuals having to do DTS or fight with MPF? I'd guess no, so from the AF perspective, you're just as productive, so "nothing" is lost. You're a sunk cost as a flyer, AF can't really get rid of you without a potential direct impact on operations like getting rid of a finance airmen. Not saying the AF hasn't or won't cut flyers though, there's still that magic crew ratio that can be manipulated to show there's an excess of flyers.

Same for your secondary job. Do sorties still get scheduled if your a scheduler, pre-deployment tasks documented in readiness, checkride completed/documented in stan/eval, etc? Again, I'd bet he's, so no productivity (in terms of sorties flown by the sq) is lost, and has cost the AFA nothing to have you do the secondary job.

By putting the extra tasks like DTS on the line vs in finance, the AF can eliminate several finance airmen, and spend that money elsewhere. The work those airmen did are now being done by other airmen who would've otherwise been employed.

So the same amount of work is getting done by the flyers, plus they've picked up some tasks done by finance, so they ARE more productive, at least in paper when looking at personnel costs against mission execution.

Sure, it sucks for the individual, because their workdays get longer (for no extra pay since we're salaried) and more frustrating. Also, there are intangibles that get missed, like informal training, self- or guided- study to improve tactics or system knowledge, etc. But that stuff doesn't translate on paper in terms of productivity. Though it has gotten some attention, with CSS's slowly coming back, and contractor help on those secondary office jobs in the flying sq.

If nothing else, remember that the military only cares about effectiveness, and does not care about efficiency (or about individual frustrations).