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I'm not sure what reporting you're looking at, but the shooter apparently was credibly engaged in a homosexual relationship with a same-sex individual who was "transitioning." Seems to me that latent homosexuality and the fact that he wasn't feeling accepted by a social movement that is growing in popularity - or rather rejected by a louder, and increasingly verbal group of right-wing people - is a likely motivating factor for this person taking his feelings and redirecting them outward in an act of extreme violence. Maybe they weren't in a relationship and the shooter was merely acting out of a perception that his friend needed his honor defended. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that people can have whatever upbringing you want, and can turn out poorly - the opposite is true as well. They can be raised by right-wing priests and turn out blue-haired nymphomaniacs. Or they can be raised by left-wing granola bars, and wind up Jehovah's witnesses. You and everyone else understands this. The sad part for all of us is that for a long time - a very long time - this country was getting along and moving in a great direction. Black culture was seemingly becoming less violent. Gays were winning (and have won) increased acceptance throughout all but the most backwater parts of our society. A generation of kids grew up playing together and not really caring about skin color or cultural differences, and so on and so on. Then, for whatever reason, that all seemed to change. I'm not sure why, but things were different. Not "I perceived that things were different," but actually different. Now, we are becoming less "liberal" and far less tolerant. I lament we are becoming less liberal (in the true sense of the word), but I think that becoming far less tolerant is probably good and necessary. I think it is largely due to forces on the Left that demanded ridiculous, insane, and frankly, deranged capitulations. See "men have periods / can become pregnant," "men should be allowed to compete in women's sports," "black people are hunted by cops," "COVID didn't leak from a lab," etc. Those are my priors and I think evidence supports all of them in varying degree. Jan 6th isn't happening dude. Sorry, it just isn't. It's not the Pearl Harbor or September 11th you wish it was. 25 years from now we're not going to be holding "Remember" ceremonies throughout our society. A few token dems might, but they'll be the only ones. In 69 years, we're not going to mark the "passing of the last survivor of the Jan 6th attack on the Capitol," except for maybe some future talking-head on MSNBC. What it was in objective reality was a massive gathering of right-wing individuals (that got wildly out of hand), but which was organized in RESPONSE to actual, government-sanctioned anarchy that was ushered in and actively encouraged by prominent left-wing leadership throughout multiple layers of our government. This includes presidential and vice-presidential candidates. It includes governors. It includes mayors. It includes senators. It includes congressmen and women. With our own eyes, we all saw the chaos begin to unfold starting in the Summer of 2020, and continue through to the election and inauguration of Joe Biden. It was the unstated TACTIC of the Democratic party, implemented in order to undermine Donald Trump. I'm not justifying Jan 6th, but let's also not pretend that it arose randomly and thus points at some underlying reality that the US is a KKK-style right-wing hellscape. That's all in your head dude. It happened because of COVID lock-downs and people getting bored. The dems saw an opportunity to re-focus this boredom into channels that applied pressure on fault lines within their many of their most favored political constituencies. They saw a political opportunity and capitalized on it. A cynical play for sure. You can see them trying the same playbook again, but it's not having quite the same success this time around. Probably because we're not all locked-down with nothing better to do...

The event should start with an early morning PT test.

I know, I know, it's your username, if you weren't miserable about literally everything in the world, what else would you do? But it's pretty amazing to see people defending the *generals* against the first secdef in my lifetime that is telling them they have to live by the same standards they enforce.

Seeing staunch liberals lament doxing by conservatives on social media is truly ironic. Whether I agree with doxing or not it's hilarious to see a group of people that collectively champion cancel culture getting canceled themselves. Fortunately, those currently on the receiving end of the movement they created will no doubt see the error in their ways and we can all move away from this retardation /s.

You're getting pre-angry based on speculation from a yahoo article? You might be retarded.

Hegseth, Noam, and Gabbard have not impressed me, although hegseth would be the highest rating of the three in my opinion. Patel is doing great. But I also don't think it's particularly relevant. I view this administration as chemotherapy. An ugly reality that does a great deal of damage to the host, but it's necessary to removal a fatal malignancy.

But only ones that didn't used to be dudes.

Many years ago, when one of my kids was young, he did not display the attitude/effort we expected of him during T-ball. End of season participation trophy’s get handed out, my wife makes him give it to her and she throws it into the nearest trash can, telling him he didn’t earn it (and why). All the other pussy parents looked on in disbelief. My kid basically never again had a bad attitude or lack of effort, and this incident was 9 years ago. The little things matter - coddling your kids produces shit adults.

I'm sure he's great. It's not like we have a cadre of purely sociopathic generals. But the nature of the system is such that only "yes men" are going to make it to the top. There's no real metric for effectiveness or success when we aren't in a global war of existential magnitude, so ass-covering and knob-polishing are the prerequisites. How many shitty bosses with toxic leadership did this guy serve without quitting? How about the first time his commander in chief babbled nonsensically on the global stage from 2017-2021? No, because there was still runway ahead for his career. These are the same chumps that spent their youth in the O-Clubs with strippers, drove back to their dorms drunk, then 20 years later told us with a straight face that if you have more than 3 drinks in a night (0-0-1-3) you are a bad officer, while neglecting to mention they have a bottle of Scotch in their Wing King desk. There was never a cause-of-the-day they wouldn't support, whether it was the drunk-sex-is-rape crusade of 2003, the great heritage room massacre of 2012, the Covid firings, or the transification attempt only recently squashed. They love their country, and they served it more than most Americans could ever fathom. But they were not, are not, men of principal and backbone. They are the ones who could best morph into whatever the next boss wanted from them, and the idea that an All-Call would be the last straw is laughable.

No, but he did call dibs.

There are probably tens of millions a year spent on useless TDYs/PCSs. Cue every person who goes to in-person PME, every bullshit “TDY for the boys” (but they are fun as shit!), every guy who travels to unending conferences and meetings while not providing, nor consuming, anything of value to their job and other attendees. We have endured a significant identity/priorities crisis for years in the DoD, and unfucking that is critical enough to not just throw it on YouTube or a TEAMs call (where nobody will actually listen/receive anything - they’ll be “present” with their muted mic symbol). Complaining about one TDY out of tons each of these GOs are doing yearly is lazy, political hacking on display. Attack the argument/point SECDEF is driving home, but you can’t, because it’s the most logical direction one has given in my lifetime. So, you jump to a retarded Red Herring argument of “but mAh TdY CoStS!” Hilarious, and sad at the same time.

You’ve led people before I’m sure. You are about to roll out a massive change in your organization’s culture and direction. For argument’s sake let’s say most of your minions are geographically separated. You’re saying you would do it over email?

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Let's see how many flag officers evaporate now that they have to pass the PT test twice a year 🤣😂. It's so refreshing to have someone in charge of the Department of Murdering Foreigners say out loud that fat people are gross and shouldn't be in the military. Pete just won some points in my book.

Wonder who’s going to arrive via mil-air and return via Spirit?

This was a business decision. If one of your employees is saying or doing things that may hurt your business in one or more ways, you have every right to fire them. Jimmy Kimmel is a POS leftist elite, but he wasn’t fired directly for that, he was fired for being a threat to the success of the business based on his unacceptable rhetoric to the majority (and his ratings were declining). This is in no way a 1A violation, but rather we’re finally seeing consequences for people’s words/actions. He and everyone else is welcome to say horrible things and be a total POS without fear of gov persecution, but they will also be free to reap the consequences of those words dealt out by employers, individuals, etc.

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Of course their assassinations were horrible and wrong. As for not posting about it, I don’t think most people (nationally) even know who those people were, whereas Charlie Kirk was definitely well known. And if you did an unsuccessful search for their names, why didn’t you post about it when it occurred? The point is what I don’t recall is a big conservative push to say how it was a good thing those state reps were killed—unless I missed something?

1. Russians are definitely the bad guys, but they’re on the other side of the world and have zero impact on my life; whereas progressives are banning free speech and trying to trans my kids. It’s not even close which of those two are my opponents. 2. Everyone criminally associated with Epstein and pedophilia in general should be beaten to death with hammers. If you have proof Trump is guilty of something let’s hear it, but the man had every possible avenue of prosecution against him explored and the D controlled DOJ didn’t link him to Epstein so…. Shenanigans.

Lol what comm SQ did you run where we could get 800 ppl on a VTC at once and it actually worked?

After only 40 years of service, what a quitter!

Standards for everyone set at the appropriate male-based levels for physically demanding jobs. What a novel concept. I’m OK with a separate PT test for the non-combat side, but if you’re in a combat job or may see combat because you get attached to a combat unit, you must perform at a higher physical level.

Hopefully the talk starts with, “2/3 of you will be walking out that door a civilian. TYFYS.”

agree. also there's no such thing as "hate speech" ms bondi. and release the Epstein files.

The FCC involvement in Kimmel getting fired is concerning. I'm not sure if that was what pushed everything over the edge, but it was a completely unnecessary interjection, and it is contrary to any conservative conception of what the government should be doing. I suspect ABC was just looking for a reason to cancel yet another of the dying-breed late night shows, but now because the FCC had to open his big stupid mouth, he turned to win into a a gaff. Also, I don't care how stupid the left is, and they are really stupid, if you are in a position of power in the government you should not be responding to journalists with memes

It's very difficult for me to imagine a world/scenario where going back to that filthy shithole and dumping more of our blood and treasure into the dirt there would be a good idea.

Not me. The career paths those guys had are not the paths that I would want.

I don't care if the guy was trans, straight or gay. He fucked up bad and people celebrated it. Those people are the ones I'm concerned about.

I'll explain it. It's different because people on the right were calling for people to be doxxed for things that literally every sane person in the world agrees with - i.e. murdering people based on their beliefs is something that should not be tolerated. So yeah, let's dox those people in order to shame them and root out what is a sick and anti-social sect of people who for whatever reason seem to be gaining power in our country. On the other hand, people on the left were using doxxing as a means to impose a measure of social pressure and control on groups of people they would fear would speak out against their latest social fad / cause: all whites are racists, but Blacks cannot be racist; transgenderism is natural, etc, etc. In other words they're using doxxing to avoid having a conversation about what are controversial topics. In short, the right is using doxxing to preserve society and social norms. The left is using it to undermine society. See the difference? I will say fairly, that using doxxing to target bystanders (i.e. someone's family) is gross no matter what the circumstances. Sins of the father and all... And I'm not sure what your opinion is on nuclear weapons, but we wouldn't respond in-kind to NK with a bio or chem attack because we don't have those types of weapons anymore. But if NK used bio / chem in an appreciable way (not a couple shells here or there) that was going to turn the tide of battle in their favor, you better believe we'd pull out the nukes.

Disgruntledemployee, Perhaps if you view Trump as a non-politician, it may help you warm up to him. He isn’t a politician, he’s not a smooth talker, he’s blunt, says what’s on his mind and often gets in a lot of trouble for it. But he’s a damned effective leader, rough around the edges for sure, but he gets things done! I’m sure. He’s also beholden to no man, doesn’t need money, and loves America. I can think of a lot worse people. George Marshall was a very good soldier, leader, and undoubtably an effective politician to earn all those stars.

George Marshall would have, that's the barometer I use.

Obama golfed? Guarantee he used the red tee box.

It wasn't Coach Huggy. And many of the soccer parents were truly not happy I wouldn't.

Everybody loves the herk!

He said 'might'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-seeks-trump-approval-first-us-military-execution-60-years-fort-hood-mass-shooting Took them long enough.

Well said. It's also why the democrats haven't found purchase with their various "outrages" as they search for leverage to sink the Trump behemoth: they've miscalculated how deeply pissed people are about the system they created. Dems aren't going to find a Trump tweet that turns his base against him, because we don't care about him. He's a change agent. And frankly I want more radical than I'm getting.

Reminds me of the 80s movie Gung Ho, make 15,000 cars a month or else…quality be damned Banking, enrichment training, etc…. If 1500 aeronautical ratings per FY is the one metric to go by then wing’em but give them post graduate training/enrichment training post T-6 and winging. Choir preaching but if there is waiting prior to FTU then give the Bobs a “win” while fixing the glitch I’m just a rando on BO but the training / program I’d advocate for would be affordable in the grand scheme, earlier I estimated about $230k in training costs, probably it would a bit less. Call it Mobility Pilot Training, whatever but justify by accomplishing tasks that these guys would be doing in their MQT after FTU, giving training & familiarity with NVGs, STOL, etc… If the FTUs can’t intake, build an infrastructure that can productively occupy your recent graduates while reducing subsequent training costs and risk, better prepared students perform better in WAY more expensive to fly aircraft and sims. Buy the training you need not new airplanes if the Bobs push back on acquiring new iron. Establish 3 programs, feather in grads from each of the main UPT bases as availability allows. - STOL program using a ME aircraft like a Twin Otter or Cessna Courier. Application to ACE is self evident and time/experience building. - Tail dragger course. Builds stick and rudder skills. - Sim based course for Transport category, probably should be the last course but introduction to fully automated flight deck, management of systems, experience building.

I never understood the allure, other than the fact she's pretty and Trump loves hiring pretty women. Trump was correct to hire cabinet heads who are aligned with his vision and ready to follow orders, but they need to be like Marco Rubio, not trying to mimic Donald Trump's bombast and hyperbole, and serve as the professional face of the administration. Rubio has been the surprise All-Star of this administration, and as long as he can maintain this balance, JD Vance is going to have strong competition for the nomination in a few years

On that note, Pam Bondi - she is wildly off base and needs to get fired immediately. Biggest disappointment of all the major nominees.

Funny how they say the intersection has been "targeted" for vandalism, instead of stating that the community had been "targeted" for forced celebration of an idea held by a small mentally unwell minority of the population.

Apples and oranges comparison. Trump’s stupid/unprofessional tweets are not the same, nor even a “slippery slope,” to someone’s tweet celebrating murder. I’m sure we agree on the cringe level of many Trump tweets, but they don’t even make the CF list in this debrief.

So how many retired guys here have their 'Rank' (Ret.) as their titles at their new job? Absolutely zero chance you would ever catch me referring to my retired military rank. He's the president of a huge university, isn't that enough? I had to go to his speech one time on active duty and walked away thinking "How does everyone not see right through this guy? That was nothing but dumb pandering and anyone that was motivated by that is probably dumb enough that we don't need him."

1. charlie kirk is nationally known. some state senators not so much. 2. his assassination was captured up close in graphic detail. 3. this is clearly a political assassination. i don't even know who killed the hortmans. did they ever publish a motive or find the killer? i honestly don't know. kirk's death is a visual symbol of a direct attack on the first amendment.