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On 2/17/2021 at 8:08 PM, MyCS said:

Texas mayor resigns after telling residents desperate for power and heat "only the strong will survive"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-boyd-mayor-colorado-city-texas-resigns-power-outages/

You know, the guy does have somewhat of a point. Who is ultimately responsible for their families safety and well being? You as the head of household or the government? I would say you. Many folks were sitting in their houses with no heat or running water waiting for the .gov to come and save them. That didn't happen. You need to be prepared. 

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On 2/21/2021 at 12:00 AM, arg said:

You know, the guy does have somewhat of a point. Who is ultimately responsible for their families safety and well being? You as the head of household or the government? I would say you. Many folks were sitting in their houses with no heat or running water waiting for the .gov to come and save them. That didn't happen. You need to be prepared. 

And no natural gas.  So, dig a well for water, and set up a bike to pedal for power?  I've got friends who ran out of food and power, they went through their 72 hr kits.  Their generators ran out of fuel.

You ready to go 3 days or more without power, water and gas in a major city? 

What the hell is government for if it's not to make sure our communities have utilities? How are our every-day Americans getting blamed in this failing of the business, regulators, and government?

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2 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

And no natural gas.  So, dig a well for water, and set up a bike to pedal for power?  I've got friends who ran out of food and power, they went through their 72 hr kits.  Their generators ran out of fuel.

You ready to go 3 days or more without power, water and gas in a major city? 

What the hell is government for if it's not to make sure our communities have utilities? How are our every-day Americans getting blamed in this failing of the business, regulators, and government?

 

I guess I didn't see it so much as as blaming them, but telling them that this is life...some assembly required.  We screwed up, but you can't always just sit there and wait to be saved.  This isn't about the .gov providing the utilities, that time was long past (and undoubtedly will come later), it was about survival.  Like we learned in survival, you may have to affect your own rescue. 

Gas tanks, generators, wood burning stoves/fireplaces, guns, bullets, food stores....suddenly preppers don't look so crazy!  

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Where does it say the US or State government exists to make sure our utilities are working? Very confused.

I mean... they seem to have no business billing me for them and if I saw fit to take myself off the grid, they will use the power of the courts to force my commitment to support them.

Now that’s not to say the Mayor didn’t have a reasonable point even if messaging was totally bonkers. It shouldn’t be so easy for people to simply throw up their hands and wait for the rescue they expect to immediately take place. This seems to be a force of personal resilience that we have somehow abandoned in general. However there is reasonable expectation that the governing and private companies we grant sole operation of utilities to go managing that responsibility in good faith. That’s exactly why there are power companies being sued by people provided they can prove that bungling priority shows harm.


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Huh?

Did you flip a switch in your house and the lights come on?

Ok you know how that is like an expectation because you pay a bill... yeah that’s part of being a 1st world country. And no, you can’t choose to not be part of that. There have been court cases literally requiring property owners to reattach themselves to power/water/etc utilities.

Turns out there is an actual category which makes something a public utility vs just another commercial business. If a private company wants to make themselves part of that enterprise, they have to meet certain expected capabilities. A lot of them are safety related like you can’t just kill people with crap wiring, others are expectation related like yes you have to pay overtime and maintain a grid of sufficient resilience we don’t see rolling blackouts because it snowed. Right now there is a war going on in legislation as to whether or not to categorize digital data exchange (ie the thing we are talking via) as a utility and that fight is ongoing. We long ago decided that sewage, water, electricity, etc were public utilities.

So yes, the governmental oversight and the private companies responsible for designing and managing Texas electrical utilities absolutely have questions to answer here.


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I haven’t read much specifics on the Texas situation, but two thoughts:

- It was a once in a century weather event for that region...should their power grid be built to withstand something that might happen in 100 years from now? Is that extra money and effort worth it? Put it this way, 5 years from now Texans see a bond on their ballot for billions to “winterize” their power grid to withstand blizzard conditions. It’s going to cost those taxpayers a sizable increase in tax...how many will say “fuck that, this is Texas, I’ll take my chances with some 100 year storm!” Probably enough to kill that bond, and I wouldn’t really blame them. I also don’t buy warranties on every item I buy at Lowe’s.

- SocialD brings up a great point about self reliance. I live in the north, have lost power for a week (along with everyone else). Everyone helped themselves and their neighbors. Nobody sued the state or sat there crying for gov to save them. Frustrating sure, but utilities were destroyed by a string of storms, and it took a ton of time/effort to fix, while those dudes worked in severe conditions. We accepted it as an annoyance, thankful people were working to fix it, and we took care of ourselves. Gov is not the answer, not being whiny pussies and having a willingness to put some elbow grease in is the answer.  
 

Edit: Not a spear at Texans, I’m guessing most are taking care of themselves/neighbors and not being whiny pussies. Comment above is addressing this general topic, agnostic of specific location in the U.S. 

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I haven’t read much specifics on the Texas situation, but two thoughts:
- It was a once in a century weather event for that region...should their power grid be built to withstand something that might happen in 100 years from now? Is that extra money and effort worth it? Put it this way, 5 years from now Texans see a bond on their ballot for billions to “winterize” their power grid to withstand blizzard conditions. It’s going to cost those taxpayers a sizable increase in tax...how many will say “ that, this is Texas, I’ll take my chances with some 100 year storm!” Probably enough to kill that bond, and I wouldn’t really blame them. I also don’t buy warranties on every item I buy at Lowe’s.
- SocialD brings up a great point about self reliance. I live in the north, have lost power for a week (along with everyone else). Everyone helped themselves and their neighbors. Nobody sued the state or sat there crying for gov to save them. Frustrating sure, but utilities were destroyed by a string of storms, and it took a ton of time/effort to fix, while those dudes worked in severe conditions. We accepted it as an annoyance, thankful people were working to fix it, and we took care of ourselves. Gov is not the answer, not being whiny pussies and having a willingness to put some elbow grease in is the answer.  
 
Edit: Not a spear at Texans, I’m guessing most are taking care of themselves/neighbors and not being whiny pussies. Comment above is addressing this general topic, agnostic of specific location in the U.S. 


Texas lost power in 2011 due to a much less severe winter. Here's the recommendations following the 2011 event: https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf
It's also the only CONUS state that elected not to winterize it's grid to meet federal recommendations, and is one of the reasons their grid is isolated. Their grid is also not government run, but run by a non-profit.

I agree with you that government is not the only answer to problems. Learning skills useful in emergencies is good (heat/shelter, water purification, etc), and is having emergency supplies (though this assumes people have excess money in their budget to purchase those supplies). Neighbors helping neighbors is a good thing-that's community. But government is also a reflection of community, and allows the community to plan and pool resources together to achieve common goals for the community.

You're also right that there's a trade off; maybe Texans don't want to pay money more to prevent rare disasters. But then they'll pay the price once the risk they accepted is realized, and that price won't be paid with money (though extended power outages can't be good for businesses or the economy either), but with lives.

On your money discussion, you can make the same argument for defense spending. Do we *need* all the F-35s the AF wants to buy? Or KC-46? Sure, there is an OPLAN, but that's also just something that might happen (possibly never happen), so are those investments worth it? Put another way, I bet money for one or two F-35s or a KC-46 would go a long ways towards fixing electrical grid issues in Texas. Plus, it's much harder to generate military missions if there's no power on base, so the issue isn't unrelated from defense, just not as sexy as a weapon system.
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3 hours ago, brabus said:

I haven’t read much specifics on the Texas situation, but two thoughts:

- It was a once in a century weather event for that region...should their power grid be built to withstand something that might happen in 100 years from now? Is that extra money and effort worth it? Put it this way, 5 years from now Texans see a bond on their ballot for billions to “winterize” their power grid to withstand blizzard conditions. It’s going to cost those taxpayers a sizable increase in tax...how many will say “fuck that, this is Texas, I’ll take my chances with some 100 year storm!” Probably enough to kill that bond, and I wouldn’t really blame them. I also don’t buy warranties on every item I buy at Lowe’s.

Should Texas receive federal disaster aid if they don’t implement federal preparedness recommendations? They wanted to be a distinct power grid in order to not be regulated but now they are getting aid for their failure to prepare for an event that had precedent only 10 years ago.

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11 hours ago, Breckey said:

Should Texas receive federal disaster aid if they don’t implement federal preparedness recommendations? They wanted to be a distinct power grid in order to not be regulated but now they are getting aid for their failure to prepare for an event that had precedent only 10 years ago.

Probably not. But neither should any other state who suffers from the effects of poor policy/financial decisions. But, we like to shovel federal money on every problem, when in Rome...

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51 minutes ago, brabus said:

Probably not. But neither should any other state who suffers from the effects of poor policy/financial decisions. But, we like to shovel federal money on every problem, when in Rome...

I think the same thing of the idiots in NW Florida continuing to build on the barrier islands after their house is destroyed in yet another hurricane.

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On 2/23/2021 at 8:31 AM, Breckey said:

Should Texas receive federal disaster aid if they don’t implement federal preparedness recommendations? They wanted to be a distinct power grid in order to not be regulated but now they are getting aid for their failure to prepare for an event that had precedent only 10 years ago.

By a logical standard? No. By the standard we have established through other disasters in other states? Yes.

 

The most important reason Texas (and all other states) shouldn't get disaster aid is that it diminishes the concept of and support for States rights. Rights fine with responsibilities, yet we are in an era of anti-responsibility.

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"Should Texas receive federal disaster aid if they don’t implement federal preparedness recommendations? "

Where did you get that idea?  Yes we have our own grid, but there are still thousands of pages of federal regulations our power plants must follow.

None of which would  have made a difference last week.

Oh, and it is the Blue States, not Texas, that are begging DC to help them pay for their massive deficit spending caused by wildly overgenerous government employee benefits, corrupt bureaucracies, and crony capitalism.  All while seeing their tax bases erode as productive private sector businesses and individuals flee their high taxes and crumbling schools and infrastructures.  

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6 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Spang Viper Drivers, can anyone confirm this is real?  If so, looks like we’re in for another round of PC retardation from above. 

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It's real. It is the latest in an absolute disaster of leadership. The dude in charge is so terrified of being fired things like this happen. Not a singular event, just the latest and most public thus far...

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No way, has to be trolling. The wing and OG were solid fighter pilots/leaders as SQ/CCs at least...if this is true, they have lost their minds and the respect of any fighter pilot who has worked with/for them (except for those who decided to castrate themselves with the blue koolaid snips of course).

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22 minutes ago, brabus said:

No way, has to be trolling. The wing and OG were solid fighter pilots/leaders as SQ/CCs at least...if this is true, they have lost their minds and the respect of any fighter pilot who has worked with/for them (except for those who decided to castrate themselves with the blue koolaid snips of course).

It's real. Congrats Phats, this is, and forever will be your legacy. Assuming your leadership is pushing this on you Phats, you had options, all of them better than this. A squadron full of guys with no callsigns would be better than this Sesame Street spectacle of a naming you propose. The Warhawks deserve better. 

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