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You guys would rather think the average Biden voter - not just Antifa and BLM - could be part of a giant conspiracy that stretches across America to falsely deny Trump the presidency than realize that mail in ballots have literally always been more blue than red. You think the government is absolutely inept and can’t accomplish anything, but at the same time you believe that 5+ states can all get away with massive, simultaneous, and complicated voter fraud on a scale that isn’t even within an order of magnitude of anything seen before. You believe this just because the president says it’s happening. Not Fox. Not AP. Not any normal news outlet, just the president. Put some more faith in your average friend that voted against Trump. The thing that’s actually messed up is that our President is trying to disenfranchise regular voters just because they are not in his favor. It’s messed up to declare victory when you have less than 220 electoral college votes on the first night and declare fake news to anything opposing this. It’s messed up to push for lawsuits to stop the counting on states you have a lead in while pushing lawsuits to continue the counting in states you’re losing. I voted by mail, as is my right in the state I’m registered in, and I intend to keep that right. Have an iota of integrity, and just take the results. One side hasn’t said anything of the sort. One side will do whatever it takes to ensure a win, even if that is destruction of faith in the literal American system that is the same as it has been for the last many decades. This election isn’t new, and the problems associated aren’t new. Remember GWB in 2000? I’m sorry that you potentially are going to lose, but we need to pull together and support the actual system of democracy.

I'll preface my post with this: having traveled around the world and enjoying most of my travels and cultures I've visited, there's no where else I'd rather call home besides the USA. But just because we're the best doesn't mean we don't have flaws, or shouldn't strive to become better. And we need to do that as Americans, not as Republicans or Democrats throwing spears at each other, otherwise, our enemies will use that divide to weaken us or tear us apart. The great power struggle doesn't just exist militarily, but also politically and economically between nations. One is a private organization, and one is a public institution. That's the difference. And no, I don't think matching percentages in different populations should be the end goal for either organization. The NBA went through its transition long ago dealing with race, to the point where the race of the player doesn't matter now, just their performance, because that's what sells tickets (an exciting game), and makes money. But they got past the hurdle of integration and quotas/caps long ago The military strives to be a meritocracy, but there are still biases that exist that favor some groups and hinder others. For example, the army ran an e where they removed the official photo from the promotion package, and got a surprising result. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/25/inside-armys-decision-eliminate-photos-officer-promotion-boards.html/amp I think it's right we get after any unfairness in the system based on things that shouldn't matter (race/ethnicity/gender) to allow the best to rise through the ranks and so everyone is treated fairly, especially if we want to be a meritocracy. It's also easy to point at the recruiting pool and say there aren't enough qualified from X group, but issues could go earlier than that. Educational/academic opportunities, athletics, clubs, etc in K-12 schooling, that lead up to being eligible in the recruiting pool, especially on the officer side. That's not DoD's problem, but a societal issue that merits looking at from other parts of government (or our society, which should be reflected in government). In a sense, the military (especially the officer corps) may already be reflective of the country based on opportunities available, whether that's just educational/volunteer opportunities that combine into an attractive package (sts), or just familiarity with the military growing up and it being a realistic/attainable goal. It'll likely take a generation or two to fix, but that requires groundwork to be laid now to create a better future for our kids, and we likely won't see any benefit in our careers. It's less about making percentages match up (though there are people that believe that), but ensuring that if people want to compete, they aren't having to overcome additional barriers based on the race/gender, because they shouldn't have to.

As someone who voted for Trump, I am honestly having a hard time believing the voter fraud claims for this election. The primary reason for that is there was no "Blue Wave" in the other elections. The country essentially held the line on where they were with the Senate, and the R's even gained ground in the House. If there was some massive scheme to use voter fraud to help the Dems, I think we would have seen it play out in other races as well. Ultimately I think this came down to being a referendum on Trump himself. I personally know several people, both friends and family, who voted for Trump in 2016 but did not this time around. Their choice was based almost entirely on Trump's personality and the way he carries himself. I think those are the people who swayed this election the other way this time. In all honesty, Biden and Harris have a massive challenge in front of them (if they do ultimately win). The nation I think has proven, as Shapiro and Tucker have both said as well, that they are not buying the BLM, Antifa, AOC, super leftist agenda. Perhaps a slight majority was over the Trump experiment, but Biden and Harris are now in a tough spot because I think they, and the rest of the Dems, thought they would gain full control and have unstoppable power to push through a massively left leaning agenda. That is no longer the case. In my opinion, many on the far left in Washington will want Biden out quickly due to "health concerns", but that is not such an easy road to walk anymore without full majority. Making that swap before the mid-terms could prove even more fatal. As another poster mentioned earlier, Trump has probably served his purpose. If nothing else, he proved how deeply corrupt the media and most of Washington is and he showed how to impassion a base of supporters. I can't remember the last time I saw people that excited about a candidate not named Obama. The conservatives in this country now have a big opportunity in front of them to reshape what the party looks like. However, they need to ensure that future includes the base that Trump built. One incredible thing that I think Trump did is he made the Republican party become the party of the working class. Blue collar workers that would often lean towards the pro-union Democrats have switched sides. The conservatives in this country cannot throw that away. There needs to be less Mitt Romney's as the face of the party and more Dan Crenshaw's. I've had a few beers this evening so hopefully that all made sense. I guess everything I wrote might also be moot if somehow Trump still manages to win.

imagine writing all this, but unironically

I am just tired of everyday being another episode of celebrity apprentice. Hopefully the Senate will retain republican control and restrain the left's agenda through the 2024 election.

I like to ask in these conversations if it's also important that the racial makeup of players in the NBA should also be representative of society, why or why not?

Pot meet kettle. I don't want this to devolve into whataboutism but the political discourse from the right over the last 4 years has been atrocious.

I never said anything about racism...wtf are you on about? Just to be clear when you talk about the before part and "out of context" you must have just forget this part - "I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything....Grab them by the pussy,...You can do anything” No...that doesn't sound consensual to me. Especially that "Just kiss. I don't even wait." We're talking about the ladies in our lives and why they're turned off by Trump's rhetoric. I specifically said my wife waited through to see if she agreed with his policies, some she did...most she didn't. COVID response was probably the final straw for her personally, it was for me. Over it all was a inability to stand they way he communicates anything. Again you denigrate the people who disagree with you: "feminine men." Thereby inferring only masculine dudes don't have a problem with his lack of "being a gentlemen." There are a lot of conservatives who're calling him out right now for "being an A$$" and calling our democratic institutions a fraud. A plan from Republicans that doesn't cause her family to go into bankruptcy because of issues beyond their control. gg, no re

Calm down Francis.

If they're not postmarked by election day then they aren't legal votes.

I was a Marine maintainer, and I will have you know, that we also have adjustable wrenches and a flat head screwdriver (but only a big one). The selection of hammers was pretty incredible though.

And that.. is bullshit. The men and women who volunteer to risk their lives and commit acts of violence on our behalf deserve the best available, most capable Americans on their side without any biological qualifiers. If policy makers or the American public thinks our current force make up isn’t diverse enough, then they need to find ways to develop the under represented and under preforming communities so 18-22 years from now those kids grow up to be the best available and most capable Americans willing to serve. The wrong answer is any sort of lowering of standards or preferential treatment for under represented groups.

"They" didn't pick him, the democratic voters did. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders were the undisputed chosen ones of the democratic complex. So much so that analysts and commentators on both sides believed Joe Biden didn't have a chance. But when the voters got their say, they overwhelmingly rejected the socialists. The Democratic machine, to include Joe biden, completely missed that message and gave him a hardcore progressive as a running mate. It looks like he's going to be president, but it would have been no contest if he had picked another moderate running mate, like klobuchar. This all goes to show that no one in Washington has learned anything. Hopefully the Republicans are a bit more studious, because they are poised for a huge victory in 2024 if they take the lessons of trump and apply them to someone who isn't a complete lunatic. And as for Texas turning blue, I talked to a lot of republicans, particularly women, who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump no matter what. My wife is one of them. Put a sane conservative on the ballot and you'll see the Texas moderates hesitant to vote for someone who wants to take away their guns and raise taxes.

There are a whole bunch of allegations of voter fraud. Dec. 14th comes, no one has 270 electoral votes. Electoral college can't vote. SC with 6-4 conservative tilt sends vote to house of delegations. House of delegations has conservative majority, votes Trump in. Senate has Republican majority, they vote Pence in as VP. Conservatives won't go down without fighting, as they should.

The system is struggling because the two party political system is just two polarizing. It's like only having chocolate and vanilla ice cream, when what the country really needs is strawberry. If someone believes heavily in gun rights, so that we can protect ourselves from the formation of a tyrannical government, they will probably go vote red no matter who the candidate is. If you believe in a transition to renewable domestic energy, so that we can strategically protect ourselves from relying on other nations for energy and tanking our climate with fossil fuels, same deal, you're probably gonna go vote blue. There is validity to both sides viewpoints and sometime there will never be a perfect answer. But the country ends up being run by the 15% of people all the way to the right and the 15% of people all the way to the left. The 70 percent of rationale, compromising people in the middle who carry America on their backs every damn day get screwed and have to put up with CNN and Fox News jamming their rhetoric down the masses throats 24/7 365. If President Trump loses (yes, President Trump, because he won fair and square last time, and I'm sick of people not respecting the office and just saying "Trump", "Obama" etc), it will be his own damn fault. All he had to do was act professional and respect the system and he would have had term 2 in the bag. When I see a campaign sign on a billboard on the way to work that says "Trump 2020, Trump 2024, Trump 2028, Trump 2032", what he believes and what his policies are go right out the window and become irrelevant because now he's is threatening the system. And what makes America , America, more so than the space shuttle, hot dogs at the ball game, and fireworks on 4th of July, is the system. We have term limits for a reason, this isn't China/Russia, he crossed too many lines in my opinion. And that is why I personally could not vote for him this time. I think you are someone who cares passionately about the country, and regardless of who you voted for, I do respect you patriotism (handshake), and hopefully both the right and the left can find a way to get Americans helping each other again, rather than the increasing friction that has been taking place. **Edited** I miss read what you said the first time as "If Joe Biden wins the country will be destroyed". My apologies.

Personal anecdote of the world right now. A very close friend whom I have known for 10+ years confronted me last night over my vote for Trump. Told me he didn’t know how I could justify voting for a tyrant to my future kids. He then proceeded to tell me he was sickened that I didn’t stand up for the “moral fight of our time,” and said that my weak moral standing was akin to people voting for Hitler (meant a silent enabler, I presume). He ended the rant by saying that if Trump wins re-election because of me, he didn’t know if we could be friends. He’s always been a little more left than me, but we had healthy disagreements and generally left politics off the table. Maybe this is happening on the other side as well, I don’t know. But there’s a real psychological break happening for some people during this vote counting debacle, and it’s fucked up.

Well, it’s only voter fraud if you’re losing, and only after 90%+ of votes are counted. But it’s not voter fraud in states you have strong leads in.

If a vote isn’t postmarked by Election Day, it doesn’t count. If a vote is postmarked by Election Day, and counted later, that is a legal vote held by the Supreme Court. Trump told his base to go to the polls and vote in person. Biden supported mail-in voting with his supporters. A lot of states stated they would count in-person votes before mail-in/absentee votes. Logic would show that a majority of Trump’s supporters would vote in person and be counted first, Biden supporters would mail-in and counted later. Which looks like that’s exactly was happening.

Honestly, I think AOC gets far more media attention from FOXNews and Breitbart than from most “mainstream” sources.

You mean like Callsigns...

I was really hoping for Klobuchar as the running mate. Hell, I think a Klobuchar/Buttigieg ticket would’ve been highly preferable to what we got. I really hope the lesson both parties take from this election is that America wants them to moderate. The pessimist in me says they will just double down though. The R’s have seen how a populist cult of personality can charge their base, and the D’s will likely conclude that a more progressive candidate would’ve led to the gains in congress they’d hoped for. It’s kind of depressing.

2 My wife was the same. We live in a battleground state; she has been very unimpressed by Trump’s rhetoric and how he has conducted himself ref the aforementioned tape/infidelity, women in general, healthcare, and COVID. I personally know several other women I’d describe as pretty centric voters who viewed him the same way.

Not to mention Clinton lost by similarly close margins in key states in 2016. What happened there? One of the most powerful and corrupt politicians at the time couldn't pull it together to 'find ballots' overnight? That race was also not called on election night. She lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by .2, .7, and .8 percent. Fair and square.

“People have brought up points and logic, and you claim it's not, or they're cherry-picking, or it's not a fact just emotion. You've been unwilling to look at your own arguments with a critical eye through this whole thing (ex: health care discussion we had on here) or admit something might not be good.”

Election is over! Jeb won!

THE 2020 ELECTION: FUCKERY IS AFOOT NOVEMBER 5, 2020 CORREIA45 93 COMMENTS I am more offended by how ham fisted, clumsy, and audacious the fraud to elect him is than the idea of Joe Biden being president. I think Joe Biden is a corrupt idiot, however, I think America would survive him like we’ve survived previous idiot administrations. However, what is potentially fatal for America is half the populace believing that their elections are hopelessly rigged and they’re eternally fucked. And now, however this shakes out in court, that’s exactly what half the country is going to think. People are pissed off, and rightfully so. Before I became a novelist I was an accountant. In auditing you look for red flags. That’s weird bits in the data that suggest something shifty is going on. You flag those weird things so you can delve into them further. One flag doesn’t necessarily mean there’s fraud. Weird things happen. A few flags mean stupidity or dishonesty. But a giant pile of red flags means that there’s bad shit going on and people should be in jail. Except for in politics, where apparently all you have to do to dismiss a bunch of red flag is be a democrat and mumble something about “fascist voter suppression” then you can do all sorts of blatant crime and get off. I’ve been trying to keep up with the firehose of information about what’s going on during this clusterfuck of an election. Last night I was on Facebook talking about the crazy high, 3rd world dictatorship level voter turnout levels in the deep blue areas of these swing states was very suspicious. Somebody gas lighted me about how “I’d have to do better than that”, so this was my quick reply, listing off the questionable bullshit I could think of off the top of my head: The massive turn out alone is a red flag. But as for doing better… The late night spikes that were enough to close all the Trump leads are a red flag. The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these vote dumps is a red flag. The ratios of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the bluest of blue cities, even though the historical data does not match, red flag. The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue) red flag. Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country, red flag. The poll observers being removed. Red flag. The counters cheering as GOP observers are removed, red flag. The fact that the dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1, red flag (and basis of the first lawsuit filed) The electioneering at the polls (on video), red flag. The willful violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type, red flag. USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that today they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday, red flag. The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes, red flag. Any of those things would be enough to trigger an audit in the normal world. This many flags and I’d be giggling in anticipation of catching some thieves. And it isn’t that I have to do better. I’m just an gen pop observer who happens to be a retired auditor with a finely tuned bullshit detector. This is going to the courts. ## So now I want to delve into some of these some more. The problem is that there’s a ton of info swirling around, some good, some crap. It doesn’t help that reporters are usually dishonest or not very bright and absolute trash at presenting data. Part of our problem is Big Tech is actively stomping on stories that make their guy look bad. (while compiling these I discovered that several of the links I’d looked at yesterday had been vanished by Facebook or Twitter) For the last four years half the country was all “Trump is illegitimate! He’s not my president! He stole the election!” so on and so forth, and that was all based upon nebulous ideas about “Russian Interference”, The Russian Interference mostly boiled down to them buying ads on Facebook, or having fake bots trolling on Twitter last time. This time the actual giant megacorporations, Facebook, Twitter, and Google themselves have actively censored stories in order to protect their candidate. So you think after this pile of suspicious election clusterfucks that makes the game look totally rigged, the other half of the country is going to accept Joe Biden as legitimate? Oh hell no. When you are auditing you see mistakes happen all the time. Humans make errors. Except in real life, mistakes usually go in different directions. When all the mistakes go in the same direction and benefit the same parties, they probably aren’t mistakes. They’re malfeasance. Let’s go back a bit to before election day to see why people would be suspicious that the game has been rigged. Most of the mainstream polls were utter garbage, off by what I believe to be the largest amounts ever in all of American history. Of course, this thing that surely demoralized the right and helped the left raise funds was just an innocent sampling error rather than a purposeful sampling bias… uh huh. Then in the weeks leading up to the election, Big Tech and the media had a concentrated censorship effort to stop what was probably the juiciest October Surprise in modern history. But them silencing major newspapers and US Senators was just a mistake in their innocent efforts to “fact check”. Then on election day, states like Florida that were obviously swinging hard for Trump with no possible mathematical way for Biden to come back, the news wouldn’t call for Trump. States where it was still clearly up in the air just based on even the most cursory of statistical analysis (Arizona) they called for Biden ASAP. But that was just innocent mistakes, and not an attempt to set the narrative of inevitable Biden victory by major media. When Trump pulled ahead in the midwestern swing states by what were starting to appear to be insurmountable amounts, they suddenly threw the brakes on the counts. (my favorite part of this was when it looked like Trump was going to win, the Chinese Yaun crashed, which is pretty telling about just how shitty a candidate Joe Biden is) Okay, suddenly stopping all those counts seemed a little weird, but most of America went to bed thinking that this was a close race, with Trump in the lead in the EC. Then we woke up in the morning, and everybody saw the 538 graphs showing a massive middle of the night spike for Joe Biden, with almost zilch in corresponding votes for Trump. Now, one of those got walked back as “typo”. (again, funny how all these “mistakes” keep going in one direction) but the damage was already done, and all of a sudden most of America was paying a whole lot more attention to places like Wisconsin and Michigan than we usually do. That’s how flags work. And it turned out that single six figure typo was only one of many statistically improbable Biden vote dumps to come. Now, all of my liberal acquaintances were quick to dismiss these, with some gas lighting about how it was just deep blue inner cities votes coming in, and of obviously they’re going to vote for Joe Biden… Except that is them deliberately missing the point. It isn’t that Biden won those, it is that he won them with statistically improbable amounts. I don’t know what the current numbers are now, but as of yesterday morning the Wisconsin Midnight Mystery Dump was something like 98.4% for Joe Biden. That’s better than the bluest of blue cities manage. That’s better than Biden did in DC. I saw one 28k dump yesterday (I want to say it was 538 talking about PA) that was listed as ALL for Biden. That’s basically statistically impossible. In a small populace, you can get 100% of the vote. However the larger the sample, the more likely there will be dissenting votes. Even in the bluest of blue areas or reddest of red areas, somebody is going to be a cranky dissident, or an old person is going to fill in the wrong circle. When you get into the hundreds or thousands yet maintain that kind of perfect ratio, basically impossible. Plus we are supposed to believe that Joe Biden, the guy barely campaigned, who got like 12 sad looking people to his rallies, was more popular than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama? This election was just that much more special? Uh huh… Except that these few battleground state blue cities vote ratios don’t match up with other blue cities around America, where it appears Trump’s support among every demographic group other than white males went UP. Then people were quick to dismiss these statistically improbable spikes with “of course the mail in voting favors Biden, republicans vote in person.” Yes, but they don’t favor Biden with these kind of ratios anywhere else in America. The ratios are more like 60-40 or 70-30. But 97-3? Oh fuck no. So either Biden is a better campaigner to the inner cities (though he rarely left his basement) than the eloquent messianic figure of Barack Obama, or there’s something fishy going on here. Now, as a suspicious auditor type who spent a lot of hours looking for fuckery in complex systems, my gut tells me fake ballots were getting dumped into the system to make up the difference. And oh look, here is a giant pile of red flags indicating that’s the case. Yesterday there was a meme going around about how Wisconsin had something like 90% voter turnout, and how this was 20 points higher than usual, and it how it would also be one of the highest voter turnouts in all of American history. If Wisconsin was at 90% that beats the highest national number in all of American history by EIGHT points. And that was 1876 (which was legendarily fraudulent by the way). Except, this is the problem with using memes to make your argument, it was only partially accurate, and the previous Wisconsin numbers were cited one way, and the current year was calculated a different way. (don’t feel bad, I fell for that one too, and as an accountant, that’s SO ANNOYING). When most people think of voter turnout, they think what percent of registered voters vote. But because Wisconsin has same day voting (a gift for fraudsters) their prior year percentages were votes compared to eligible population (that’s so goofy). But it meant the meme was comparing apples to oranges. So the leftists immediately jumped on that error to dismiss the idea that there was anything weird about how many people turned out to vote this time. HOWEVER, that’s useless obfuscation. Because if you calculate the number the same way that most Americans do, their turn out was still like 90%, which is a rate normally reserved for dictators (that combined with the vote ratios would have made Saddam Hussein blush). I had one liberal guy point out that notoriously corrupt Seattle also gets 90%… which doesn’t exactly help his case. Because here’s the kicker, the high turn out is the average for the state, but when you drill down on the source of these statistically improbable blue vote dumps, they’ve got districts with TWO HUNDRED PERCENT TURN OUT. That’s over 200%. There’s 7 over 100%, and a ton of them in the 90s. https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city Now the quick liberal dismiss explanation for this is that Wisconsin has same day registration (again, a fraudsters dream) and thousands of people ignored months of TV and social media beating them over the head to get registered to vote, and just decided to do it at the last minute because Biden is just that awesome/Trump is just that bad. Except if you’re an auditor, when you see super suspicious spikes like that in certain places, the first thing we think is that’s the place where you’ve got somebody over the controls colluding. So that’s where you go to fabricate your bullshit. 200% turn out is fucking insane. Same day voting or not. That’s madness. When I was looking into this stuff I pulled a HuffPo article about the 2012 election and how it was controversial that some Madison ward had gotten 119% turnout. Oh, but wait, there’s more. A whistleblower has come forward from a Michigan post office saying that they were given ballots on November 4th, and ordered to post mark them to election day so they would still be valid. https://www.facebook.com/JamesOKeefeAuthor/videos/381073273044980 That is so insanely illegal. When the reporter called the postal supervisor who gave the order and asked about it, he immediately hung up. Now, on this one, liberals were quick to dismiss it because it was from Project Veritas. (who they hate, and say cherry picks their investigative reporting, yet they keep winning all the lawsuits against them) However, the very next video was the response from the US Postal Inspector General (or whatever his title is, I can’t remember) about how they are investigating, so this wasn’t just some crank going to a reporter, it’s been passed up the chain of command. It’s an actual whistle blower. I had someone else try to dismiss this one as innocent, because the post office accepting these late ballots had no way of knowing who they voted for so it would balance out. That’s is so naïve its cute. Of course they knew who the ballots were for. They were probably dropped off by people they were colluding with. You don’t commit felonies for clueless strangers because you feel sorry they got their votes in late. A quick note on collusion because I mentioned it a couple times now. Collusion is the key to successful fraud. Systems have controls and checks in places, so the best way to circumvent them is to team up with somebody over one of those controls and exploit the gap. That’s fraud 101. Which is why you go to the post office your buddy runs to drop off your illegal late emergency Save Biden ballots. Or you go to the ward your buddy the poll worker is running the log in book to same day register all your imaginary friends. Speaking of the imaginary vote, this one is actually hilarious. Democrats are quick to say all votes must count, which apparently includes people who are 118 years old. https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424?s=21&fbclid=IwAR2rMt9iguDDYq_6H1FTQtMGekNEiTRRUNVsXN9xiEGvxS8z2VhHLJwo6-s All those little fraud schemes come in from various directions, except the fraud numbers add up quick in a tight race. However, if you are behind by hundreds of thousands of votes in the middle of the night it requires some audacious level fuckery, which brings us to a red flag you can see from space. The 4 AM Biden Miracle. Here is an account from somebody at the counting center. https://www.facebook.com/iamconniejohnson/videos/10225096326823289 This is the third link I’ve had to pull for this one, because Facebook keeps killing the others. Listen to the whole thing. Because after the statistically impossible votes came in, they had to toss a bunch of the GOP judges out of the building because of Covid. Remember what I said about collusion? If you’ve got the actual system with the controls on your side, you can basically do any outlandish bullshit you feel like, and the only way you are going to get stopped is by an outside power (hence the multitude of lawsuits we’re going to see over the next few days). Another thing you learn to spot when people are fraudulently manipulating data, is the mission-oriented spikes. On this one I’ve seen a few links, but the data has been so in flux that I’ve not been able to confirm it, but supposedly a bunch of the sudden Biden spikes weren’t just statistically improbable, they also voted for president but not the down ballot races. Now, lots of people will vote for president but don’t care about down ballot. However, when you get a pile of those in a row, that suggests somebody in a hurry filling out the mission critical bubble and then moving down stack, assembly line style. There was also video taken of one guy delivering these mystery ballots to the counting center in the middle of the night (unloading them from a white van into a little red wagon) the link I used yesterday had been deleted by YouTube but I found this new one (can’t stop the signal, Mal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh7h3w75D8U&feature=youtu.be Gee whiz. I can’t imagine why mysterious boxes are being moved into this supposedly secure voting facility in the middle of the night with no observers or chain of custody. And there’s more. They just keep coming. Yesterday morning I saw a small article about a republican official calling shenanigans on the voting in his small county, which went overwhelmingly Trump last time, and how it appeared the votes tallied weren’t even enough to account for his immediate family. Of course he got laughed at by caring liberals. Fast forward a few hours and it turns out that the voting program was faulty. https://www.westernjournal.com/election-program-issue-tallied-2-votes-gop-candidate-33-mi-counties-thought-using-software/ Worse, the same broken ass software was apparently used in 33 other counties. Hmmm… Again, with all these magical errors in these swing states all going in one side’s favor. Then there’s SharpieGate, but I’ve heard so much conflicting stuff about that one, with sharpies actually working fine in the scantron machines, that I’m not putting much stock in that one yet. There’s a lawsuit already though, so it’ll be interesting to see what new information comes out. Here’s another thing you learn about auditing. The more chaotic the system, the more chances for fraud. So when you come across a system that is extra chaotic on purpose, that tells you that the people running it want it that way for a reason. And the flags just keep coming in. This is going to be way worse than Florida in 2000. What happens now? Beats me. It goes to court, and then the real question becomes how much spine the republicans have to actually fight. In previous years I’d assume they’d be a bunch of spineless chickenshits and wimp out like usual, but I’m not so sure this time. I don’t know if or how any of these will pan out, and without access to the real data, all I can do is guess. I can say without hesitation though, that fuckery is afoot, and if an actual real investigation happens they’ll be able to prove it. Only this is politics, so who knows. The only thing I do know for certain is that this election is so fucked up it is just going to make America’s two halves hate each other even more.

People have brought up points and logic, and you claim it's not, or they're cherry-picking, or it's not a fact just emotion. You've been unwilling to look at your own arguments with a critical eye through this whole thing (ex: health care discussion we had on here) or admit something might not be good. Because someone disagrees with you where the country should go doesn't make them evil, stupid or any other slander. I get the keyboard anonymity vitriol, but calm down. Have a barley pop and realize the totality of the election. Red picked up a lot in the legislatures of most states, gained in the House, and probably will keep the Senate. You're stooping to Sim levels...don't be Sim.

christ dude, maybe try stepping away from the computer and taking a break for a bit

America has become more racist in the past 6 months than it has been in the last 30 years. Woke = racism

America is terrible and racist? Based on? So the ideals and American values = racist? How are women and minorities oppressed? There is program after program to promote minorities and females. Baseless claims and yelling get you no where except ignored because you really have no real facts.

And that argument is? References are helpful to for your claims. It’s amazing how logic and reason escapes so many. Vote on your emotions. Orange man bad. Block his Twitter. I don’t care how amazing he has been for our country. And improved the lives of all Americans especially minorities. Yet because he doesn’t take crap from the insanely biased liberal media, and he’s not a gentleman at all times = bad.

Very calm. Just sad at the rampant destruction that has come from the lefts, antifa, and BLM. How amazingly hateful and disgusting the dems are. It’s pretty awful. What sense does it make to make such radical changes to the best country in the world? It’s very hard to understand why people want to tear down prosperity and equality of opportunity with racism and morally bankrupt equality of outcome.

And thus ushers in one of the most racist immoral times in our countries history with Biden / Harris. Death of the American dream. Alienating the inalienable rights. Equality of outcome here we come.

It's looking like the "hanging chad" of this one is going to be legible postmarks.

The states have until December to finalize the tally for the EC to vote. Every legal vote should be counted. Same day voter registration is the missing factor for the higher number of votes than the number of registered voters on 1 Nov. From the fivethirtyeight blog:

If you look, you will see. Many places have turnout rate higher than registered voters. https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FJackBMontgomery%2Fstatus%2F1324453025348415489&widget=Tweet

Saw a tweet on Shaprio's timeline from Jeb Bush that sheds some light into FL being ahead on these things. Before I retired and was a DO of one of the National CPTs we spent a lot of time discussing election protection (CYBERCOM put this out there). There are a lot of states that are damn near medieval with how they run their elections. It's a benefit/cost of our system. We had to dig down into the frigging US code/Constitution to figure out where we could offer assistance if we were asked for it. You'd think the lawyers at CNMF would do that...nah. That's why the Guard is so important for cyber, gov's can just use them (see Louisiana recently). https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/1324168561582055426?s=20

It matters because when you have an institution that does not reflect the society it represents, you have problems. You could argue that the military is different. You’d be right to say, for example, that the majority of the population is obese and that doesn’t work for the military. Those kinds of arguments hold no water when it comes to race though. Like it or not, the US military has made racial equality a priority since the Eisenhower administration. One of the reasons the American public has a high amount of trust in their military is because it, at least in theory, represents a cross section of themselves. The faith of the American population is a key factor in long term combat effectiveness. If you look at the big/long term picture, we are playing chess not checkers.

He’s been mentioned here several times before. But I’ll echo. Dan Crenshaw has that kind of energy. But because he’s not a lib, he doesn’t get anywhere near the same media coverage and subsequent followers. But this guy, as a congressman, still has the capacity to generate more podcasts than I can find time to listen too. And every one that I hear is good. Everyone reading this thread should subscribe, regardless of your political beliefs. He’s a level headed voice of conservative reasoning. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hold-these-truths-with-dan-crenshaw/id1498149200 Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

I'm going to be honest. Politically I detest her. We couldn't be more opposite on so many things. I also don't think she has all of her platforms well thought out. I do not think she's stupid though, just not as expereinced. We take for granted sometimes as officers we have a broad understanding of government, and policy. But at the end of the day, none of us ran for office, and she did. Morally though I somewhat admire her. She was unhappy with her circumstances, ran an extremely fierce campaign as an under dog, and stood strongly in front of a wave of criticism on everything from her background to her looks from opponents that would not take her seriously. This ultimately backfired, because now you have to take her seriously. Whether you like to admit it or not, she has political pull and influence. That equates to power, and so long as she had power, she matters. Would love to see some younger Republicans generate the same energy but they largely just don't exist.

Don't expect anyone to take you seriously if you're subscribing to silly playground nicknames. I'd be embarrassed if my 9 year-old did that, and it's that much more cringey when adults do it.

I saw something similar today and it rang true with me, as well (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-democrats-reckoning-generation-matt-gorman). Edit (another good one): https://theweek.com/articles/947824/left-just-got-crushed From the article: And I tend to agree. Having Trump in office for another four years would be delicious if only for the unending YouTube stream of leftist children reeeeeeeeeing, but honestly, Trump may have served his purpose, which was killing the Clinton machine, upending the Obama years, and shining a black light on what is our politics. The next four years spent with a fully ineffectual democratic president who can't mumble his way through a teleprompter and a vice president who is in way over her head will serve the conservative cause much more in the long run.

Georgia elected a U.S. Representative who believes a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against President Trump. People vote for her or AOC for the same reasons people vote for any candidate.

What are you basing this on? Personality, morally, patriotically? I'm not sure how you have Biden in the same room as Trump, point to Biden and go, "He's the reprehensible one."

Good. Didn't want to make another post, but as a statistics nerd 538's analysis has been a lot of fun.

On the campaign trail - “In 2010 at Kunsan...” ”I’m going to stop you right there; I’m out, good luck to the other candidates”

AM (hence the signal reach from AZ 😁)

Shameful. Go watch the movie again.

Plus the dems are waiting for the rest of the dead votes to be counted. Landslide for Biden!

A good arguement could be made that the sitting president is the greatest acute threat to the Constitution in the entire world right now. Is that preferable?