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  1. Just read the Israeli study, convincing enough to me that natural immunity should be treated similarly to vaccination if you have the antibodies. If the antibodies were permanent (which they are not) I would support an exemption for mandatory vaccination in the military if you have natural immunity. Though as this transitions to an endemic there will likely be an annual vax requirement similar to the flu.
  2. There are still significant differences that affect my opinion on it but I'll accept the extension just for the sake of not derailing the thread
  3. You're reducing my argument to something I don't agree with. I specified exponential and hospital overloading for a reason, none of those things do that. Not to mention even if they did they don't have a readily available cure/vax/etc you could take. I don't want anyone to die of COVID, and certainly not a policy I would want to happen. This is just a compromise I am willing to accept for the libertarians who want no public health mandates.
  4. Same argument I'll repeat. Those things affect an individual, and don't spread exponentially to others overloading the health system.
  5. I wouldn't say it's more difficult, just less accurate. A test confirming natural immunity would only be 66% accurate or less since a third of cases don't produce antibodies, whereas with a vaccine it's guaranteed.
  6. Tbh I'm privy to this argument as a compromise. I'd be in favor of eliminating all public health mandates as long as all unvaccinated were denied medical services (absent any exceptions) relating to COVID. It's against the spirit of the health profession though so it would never happen.
  7. That is the purpose for the individual but not for the public; again from a public health standpoint cases matter as well because the r0 is 5-9 people so every case is potentially more hospitalizations or deaths. Total cases is directly correlated with hospitalizations and deaths.
  8. No lol quite the opposite. All the dumb hot chicks who believe in astrology are nurses now.
  9. They can still get COVID again given sufficient time, but even if that wasn't true there is no way of knowing who has natural immunity and who doesn't in a practical enough matter to prevent the deaths public health policies are trying to prevent. In other words, even if you as an individual have natural immunity, that fact is irrelevant when considering public health policies (like mandatory vaccination). Hope that is clear enough. Also, here's a study showing a third of COVID cases don't produce protective antibodies, so even if we had something like antibody cards you could still pose a health risk to others. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article
  10. False equivalence, none of the things you listed can affect the health of anyone but yourself.
  11. If you went to a large public high school you would know the answer to this
  12. 4 years of "CNN is fake news" and people still argue there's a huge perception gap with the public that doesn't exist.
  13. I never said Trump admin doesn't get credit for vaccine rollout, Afghan policy, and stimulus bill. I don't see what's wrong with saying it's a plus the current admin is continuing to accomplish these and also get credit for what they've done so far. Why? I wasn't and can elaborate if you want to actually discuss without insulting and going off on a tangent about the media. Definitely not. When did I say that? Not sure why many of you here are jittery to attack an argument I'm not making because I'm not in your ideological tribe. Probably easier to admit Presidents don't have the power to affect the economy that much (and shouldn't), but sure if you want to make that argument and be consistent.
  14. Things seem to be going fine. Hard to be hopeful if you're a conservative but: Pulling out of Afghanistan Rejoined Paris Accords Vaccination rollout Cabinet appointees Stimulus Bill Infrastructure Plan https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/bidenomics-explained
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