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I agree. I have trouble knowing how to respond when people say, "Thank you for your service." It seems like they say it to make themselves feel good while at the same time being completely disinterested in the current wars going on and utterly incapable of holding politicians accountable for years of institutional neglect and a complete lack of a cohesive strategy for the war on terror.

Fellas, it's Memorial Day. Let's have a beer for the boys who can't. This thread is brutal and going nowhere fast. Cheers Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Exactly. As you'll find out, some of the queep is required, with YOU held responsible for lack of presentation/enforcement. Furthermore, the real trouble with thinking like a captain is that eventually you're not a captain anymore... One of the biggest problems we have in the USAF (and in the Joint fight) is that for the most part we as airmen have no clue "what the book says." I always found it an amazing dichotomy that as IPs we crush new kids for not knowing what the book says, only to turn around as O5s and O6s and be completely oblivious to how a targeting cycle works, ROE, commander's guidance, JOPP, etc etc. The cowboy captain is effective. The dipshit O5/O6 who doesn't know how things work is often dangerous, and generally a pain in the ass creating more work for everyone by NOT knowing or caring how it's done. Food for thought. Chuck

While my situation is probably going to be far different than most, I was picked up by a fighter unit in October 2015, ran into some hurdles, reapplied to a different fighter unit, and interviewed/was hired by them in August 2016. Overall, I applied to 8 fighter units and interviewed at 6 of those. First and foremost, if there's ever a meet-and-greet or cookout hosted by the unit, go to it. I cannot stress enough how important it is to show face and prove you want to be there, much less make sure you're a good fit with the unit. Obviously, this will also let the folks in the unit see what kind of person you are outside of a "rehearsed" interview. I made an effort to talk to every pilot there during the meet-and-greets, but I never once tried to blow smoke up their butts - they will see right through it. I genuinely wanted to know how they got to where they were and any advice they might have for training. In the end, it's all about being a good and genuine dude/chick that can prove they can get the job done. PM me if you have any specific questions or want further details on anything in particular.

Reporters claim the Texas governor threatened to shoot them last week! http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Governor-Abbott-joke-guns-shoot-reporters-11176168.php "That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy!" Fucking liberal pussies! Don't mess with Texas!

Couldn't find a better place to put this, but an excellent read. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/29/the-end-of-history-is-the-birth-of-tragedy/

I no longer find value in pointing out the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day to the unitiated. But for those of us that get it: Torqe62 and too many others. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Since you seem fairly hung up on education, let me educate you: pilots who decided to get their masters (a hard requirement for Major over most of my last 11 years) did so at night after their 12-14 hr work day that didn't include a single minute for a lunch break and most likely zero gym time. They also took their weekend time to complete, around likely going to work on the weekend for at least a few hours. See the difference? I'm all for an MSG airman working on furthering their education, but their primary job comes first and it is not acceptable to leave piles of work on the desk and bolt at the 8 hr point, leaving supported people hanging, often in shitty positions. Support function failure, even delayed orders and fucked up travel vouchers, may not lose a war, but they directly, negatively effect combat capability.

Jeebus Christ what a douchey post, hatedont. Seriously, are you trying to troll? While you clear your airmen off at 1630 so they can line up at the CDC and take their night classes, some 20 year old crew chief is on his 12th hour of work...for the 6th consecutive day...before he takes one day off and repeats that week again, and again, and again. That's why the MXG has a special word for the off-flightline folks. And yes, someone might actually die if your troops don't do their job on time. The 50 hour wingman next to me needs his time in the books to manage his weapon system and come home alive...not just in wartime, but every damn day. Time is a finite resource, and our pilots don't have time to do your job because you won't do it yourself. An hour wasted for TMO bullshit is an hour that LT might have needed in the sim/vault/jet/etc. FVCKUPS LIKE YOU DESCRIBE (AND CONDONE, YGBSM) ARE WHY WE ARE HEMMORHAGING COMBAT CAPABILITY. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Thats a pretty insightful story. Chicago?

So you're willing to let the mission fail to "protect your people"? This is why non-flyers almost never get command of a wing. Because the flyers know it isn't acceptable to tell POTUS "Sorry sir, we won't be launching those strikes today...Capt Snuffy has a class after work, and Maj Donut has to pick up his kid from the CDC by 5pm".

Did you just cut and paste my ACSC homework?

Bringing this back from the dead. In my last post, I was evidently given bad information, as I found out today that I was able to obtain an approved SG waiver for mild chondomalacia! Although, it did take a lot of work and persistence, but what seemed to work was having a very supportive and patient unit and also a second opinion on hand from another orthopedic surgeon saying everything was clear.

We'll do what we've always done in large-scale conflicts - relax the recruiting standards until we have enough people.

It's located in the Squadron Bar section:

That's the stupidest argument I've heard, not a chance the POS sunglasses the Air Force issues me provide better protection than Oakley lenses. Also if we really care about impact resistance what about when I'm not wearing sunglasses? Pretty sure anything that hits my Mark 1 eyeball when I'm not wearing them is going to hurt regardless, so unless UPT is also issuing clear lenses to be worn at all times that argument is junk.

Read an article saying like 85% of millennials support the actions in Syria, but only 15% would actually join the military. I believe like 71% of our youth are ineligible to join the military. For future conflicts, we might be in trouble gentleman. I don't really keep in touch with my father side of the family. I returned home for a funeral on my mother side of the family, but my relatives on my father's side asked me where I've been? I'm like you do know we are fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan right? "Crickets" They were all silenced! I don't sit on my butt at some base. This isn't the 80s. Secondly, why would I want to come "home" so I can be shot? I have a better survival chance being deployed around insurgents than going to my old hometown. People will shoot you over looking at them the wrong way. As someone who worked his ass off to get where I am, why risk it all like some NBA or NFL players do by trying to show they can still hack it in their old neighborhoods? I stick out like a sore thumb because of how I talk, my attire, and my education level. Believe me my relatives have mentioned how I talk. As an educated man, how else do you expect me to talk? I'm proud of what the AF has done for me. My parents and I moved from my hometown in the 90s to an Army base and that probably saved my life. A military base changed my course in life. I am thankful for all those who served before me which paved the way for me to become a pilot. You guys are all highly intelligent, very talented, and the most outstanding role models I have ever served with.

I've found "Thank you for your support" works well.

Honestly, why does it matter? Show up and form your own opinion. I guarantee no one on this site will say, "it's pretty darn good."

Just say thank you, my pleasure? That's what I do. Some people genuinely mean it, and I don't try to dissect a basic compliment into the deeper meanings, that's what liberals do.

Wait, I'm REQUIRED to wear sunglasses in the aircraft now? News to me. It's one thing to meet impact resistance while deployed on a convoy...it's a different thing to use impact-resistance as justification at a UPT base stateside.

Happy Memorial Day fuckers. Tammy Archuletta, Mark Graziano, Mike Dodson, Bruiser Bryant and all the others I didn't know well.

Sorry man but my standard issue Bellvilles were like wearing a brick strapped to a barge on each foot. I'll stick with my Rocky Sv2's that actually perform like a boot should.... This same guy also threw a fit over people not wearing issued sun glasses.... Needless to say the morale within the T1 squadron on both the studs and IPs was horrid under this guy.....

The best thing you can do when trying to educate people on the meaning of Memorial/Veterans day is to not be a dick. I see way to many people slamming on folks who don't understand, while not actually doing something to educate them. The prime example is this condescending asshole: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4914517757001. He has done this many times. In all the time he has spent making people look dumb, he has spent zero time making people smarter. Don't be like this dick.

A little later, I'll be driving out to the Sacramento Valley National Cemetery by myself to soak up the meaning of the day. I also came across a letter written by a guy who is an acquaintance who lives in north Texas, and was a pilot in the Marine Corps. Taco has is a great American, and writes very well. It's not a "feel good" letter by any stretch. But it reminds me how I felt when military people died. ----- Another Memorial Day arrives and like most weekends and holidays, I will be working . When passengers board my commercial airliner, many are confused between the two holidays, Memorial and Veterans weekend, so with my short hair and Marine Corps lanyard I hear a lot of things like “Happy Memorial Day” to which I reply “come see me on Veterans Day.” For me on Memorial Day, I usually give pause and think about the guys I knew who are now gone. The horrors of war that are tucked away, not discussed with friends or spouses. During the time I spent over in Iraq and Afghanistan , pulling the trigger against the enemy was not something I experienced. That can be a good thing but then you sometimes wish for extreme payback to an enemy who has hurt your friends through their cowardly actions using IED’s. When Iraq comes to mind, it sometimes feels like yesterday, but then I realize that it was almost seven ago which is eons to my kids who barely remember me being gone. It’s a good thing they didn’t see the tears from their mother when she found out that I had volunteered to serve over there just as thousands of others had done. A scene probably played out in many households across our nation. American’s have left for war across the world or have volunteered to serve knowing that at any minute a conflict could come up that requires them to face the very real possibility of taking another human’s life or being killed in the process. It’s not something we talk about to others or amongst ourselves. You just pray that when the time comes, God gives you the strength to do the right thing and take care of your brothers in arms. My tour in Iraq was interesting to say the least. As the Assistant Air Boss at Al Taqaddum, I was never outside the wire kicking in doors (like the young guys did), but we were around for the aftermath of their patrols most of the time. Our mission was to launch the rescue CH-46’s to pick up those who were wounded and more often than not we would end up helping the wounded in some fashion since the hospital was next door to our tower. One day in particular stands out. I had our best Sgt. on the desk one afternoon when I left for chow. It was a long hot miserable walk to the chow hall, made worse since the Colonel and I were required to carry our “Brick” radio everywhere so that we could be reached at a moments notice and this thing was huge! On the way home, the radio crackled “Sir, are you up?” Since the Colonel was on leave in the states, I knew it was me he needed. “I’m here, what’s going on Sgt. K?” The sun was burning down on me as my boots plowed through the fine dust wondering what our troublesome Lance Corporal had done this time. “Sir, we have a MASS CASS (massive causalities) on the way.” His voice very calm over the radio. He didn’t know if they were arriving by air or ground or how many so I detoured to the hospital as the call came in that they were at the North Entry Control Point inbound, but he still no idea how many. I needed to put eyeballs on the situation to cut out the confusion that usually follows. This is one of those things that will get your heart pumping, not knowing how many. It could be just a few or a ton of guys you are talking about and the exact number determines how many CH-46’s you have to launch and whether or not you need to break crew rest for more helo lift. A whole slew of considerations on getting the fastest medical evacuation service to our troops. I arrived at the side entrance, a large unloading spot to the hospital with about 12 staff members milling about smartly. They were all on hand because you really don’t know what you have until the doors open up. We heard that an Army team was ambushed in their Bradley and blown up with a particularly nasty IED mixed with a sort of napalm concoction. Everyone was pretty tense with only nervous banter being thrown about, especially from the new Sailor standing next to me. The ambulance arrived, turned around and backed up. The loud diesel engine shut off followed by the doors flying open and a silence settled over the group of us standing there. Slowly, the first of four forms materialized out of the back. He was burned beyond anything I had ever seen. The skin was dripping off him in places. His ears were gone along with his nose. Pieces of his gear melted into his body and flesh charred. His guttural cries as he moved inch by inch out of the ambulance. The young Sailor next to me vomited into the top of a small Hesco barrier that was filled with dirt when the overpowering smell of burnt flesh hit him. The nurses were trying to be gentle with them, tears in their eyes as the Doctors and orderlies assisted their movement to the ER. This was no doubt a horrible one as each Soldier looked as bad as the first. Lots of emotions flash through my mind, none of them I’m able to express without being tossed out of the Marine Corps or attacked by CAIR . This really affected everyone standing there that day. These events were barely mentioned later, because as much as you wanted them to survive, you were watching the walking dead (I fear they knew it too). We lost one there on the ER table, another on the flight to Ballad Air Base in Northern Iraq , followed by a third death over the Atlantic and the fourth Soldier; he succumbed to his injuries and passed on in San Antonio . That is what I think about when Memorial Day arrives. It’s the service members who will never return to see their families again. The young men and women who volunteered to serve their country with no thought as to their safety, all willing to pay the ultimate price with their lives. That is what this weekend is about so the rest of America can enjoy the time off Monday with friends. As you tip that cold drink, cook that steak and hang out with your friends, please remember those men and women who have served over the years to give us the freedoms we have. They paid for it with their lives. To those men and women, and the many hundreds of thousands before them who have passed, gone West and now guarding the gates of heaven, God Bless you for your duty and Godspeed. Semper Fi, Taco

Agreed. The recent uptick in people being picked up above-the-zone gives me a little hope that the Air Force is following the guidance of rating the records, not the year groups. Some people are fast burners, others take longer to develop. In my personal opinion, the year group construct is a self-inflicted wound that just continues to bleed...in this case, bleeding talent to the airlines and other outside jobs.

Has this article been posted already? https://www.google.com/amp/foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/04/jack-mccain-is-right-that-the-air-force-has-big-problems-but-hes-wrong-about-why-officers-are-bailing-out-so-much/amp/ The Air Force’s retention problems will only be fully resolved when the service’s senior leadership creates a performance feedback program that recognizes and promotes talented individuals who may not desire to serve as commanders yet have the technical skills to continue serving. The service should stop using a performance feedback model designed to identify the top 20 percent of officers at their board for promotion to major and switch to one that accommodates an adaptable force that allows officers to achieve their professional and personal goals at their own pace, while still fulfilling specific “needs of the Air Force.”

I don't know what they've told you, but they don't work that hard on the other side of the base. I've been waiting at the MPFs door waiting for them to unlock it while watching all 5 of them surf Facebook, meanwhile I need my CAC to work so I can actually do my job. Once the door was opened only 2 of the 5 started helping people. Support has completely forgotten that they aren't the mission. I don't need them to be the tip of the spear, but I need them to do their jobs. Holy thread derail. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

They never answer.

Working people an extra hour isn't "running them into the ground". You should spend some time on the flight line. The MX folks have some choice words for your office-dwelling 9-to-5ers.

He is not going to listen or be educated, and he doesn't see the difference. You're wasting your time bro. He is one of those people convinced he understands a perspective you don't, and can't comprehend a world outside his assumptions.

Financial issues are a huge driver of suicides. So, when your guys knock off early on Friday for PT instead of unfucking A1C Snuffy's pay, and he can't make the rent, and he kills himself over the weekend...then yes, people do lose their lives. All so "your troops" didn't have to be exposed to one minute of overwork "because it's too stressful".

Having watched passed over majors get RIF'd just a few years ago, I would certainly prefer to have a defined path to retirement instead of "well, we're short on people for now, so you can continue...oh, looks like we're over manned, get out. Too bad you served 17 years, but no retirement for you".

Yes, a huge disconnect. Nice straw man argument, numbnuts. What are TMO orders, are you even in the AF? I don't expect someone to keep people so late everyday that they can't get their kids. There are a plethora of ways to chip away at that work though: stay an hour late 1 or two days, have working lunch (like most of us do), cancel/consolidate "training" hours used as fluff. I even really like your suggestion - cnx PT in favor of that little thing called the MISSION; if that causes half the sq to fail the test then holy shit there are bigger problems with that group of individuals. Lots of people in Ops are single parents; unfortunately we have a lot of divorces. We have the same life issues everyone does. Yeah, I worked 12-hr days as a single punk. I'm not advocating that for everyone; far from it. That being said, treating 1630 as a sacred departure time without consideration of mission accomplishment, that's how you breed a group of non-supporters. There's a happy medium between what we have and your fairyland where everyone fails PT tests and loses their kids if someone has to work a little harder.

So what you're saying is you didn't read, nor have you learned to construct an argument with supporting facts. However I think you're saying that: -only enlisted could ever lead enlisted -every career field should be insular Sounds like a recipe for success.

Frog, the argument wasn't that having flyers command some support function would reduce queep for that person; it's the flyer in such a position would add needed perspective to what they're actually supporting. Quick personal example - two weeks to go to PCS with no orders, TMO/training couldn't do anything without them, etc. Guess who still punched out at 1630 every day even though the flight CC said they were behind? That's right - the FSS. The same dudes that think we show up just to fly and work a 4 hour day. Leaving at 1630 with work piled up is a no-go in ops; it should be the same in the MSG. Flyers leading some of those functions as majors (the same rank of their current CCs) would lend some perspective and give those dudes valuable leadership experience before being a flying CC. Many MSG people have several command tours; we could eliminate the multiple tours AND get flyers valuable leadership experience.

I get the impression that "being good in the jet" is just an assumption. You should just do that, and the difference is how much more you can handle. How much time does that really command? I'm sure it's based on airframe...how much time does that take for an F-22? An A-10? What about a C-130J? How "good" is good enough? Is there a limit? If I just let a guy have time to do nothing but, would s/he excel? Or would they just go home to the wife/hooker? I find it hard to believe people aren't "good in the jet" based off anything other than their personal lack of give a fvck. Commanding a support squadron is pure, 100%, unadulterated queep. It's exactly like commanding a flying squadron without the flying. How many CE commanders are out patching holes? How many CONS commanders are writing contracts? None. Zero. It is also not even remotely required to understand what your people do to lead them. It certainly helps, but a good leader with half a brain can listen to the right people and sail the ship in the right direction. Things might be a lot better around this part of the woods if Bossman didn't think he fvcking knew better than the people actually doing the work, but believe people when they said things need to be done differently without concern that it was going to make him look bad to his boss. This can of worms is literally so messed, all one can do about it is laugh. The only ones not laughing are trying to straighten their shit due to non-promotion, or 1/2 BTZ school selects riding the wave of "it's all good in the hood". I can guarantee you a IPZ O-5 select is under no illusion of the disaster that abounds. Bendy Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

CE guy here...good discussion. Here is my perspective: - The arguments that flyers deal with too much queep and flyers should lead mission support squadrons are mutually exclusive. The majority of the queep in a CE squadron is personnel, finance, environmental, or contracting related. Much of the queep is driven at the HAF, DoD, or federal government level. Putting a flyer in charge of a CE squadron isn't going to eliminate queep. The queep problem originates with the fact that our government has become the most useless, grid-locked bureaucracy in modern history. So, you have to choose one argument or the other. Putting a flyer in a support squadron is going to increase the queep they deal with exponentially. - Many times the queep starts with a pilot. I've pulled teams off of apron repair to fix potholes in the wing headquarters parking lot. I've also had heavy equipment operators turn snow over with a shovel before a DV visit so you can only see "clean snow." No shit. That stuff wasn't an engineer's idea, and it is embarrassing and humbling to go ask trained people to do those things while making it "your own" (i.e. Not diming out wing leadership) - The Air Force chose long ago to invest in cool jets and not facilities. Probably a wise decision given our budget. But, I only get about 50% of the funds I need to maintain the base in a fair condition. One third of our squadrons are often deployed, and there isn't the manpower to execute 100% of those funds even if we got them. - Flyers don't understand what their support squadrons provide in terms of readiness because squadrons don't deploy with the wings they support. For CE Airmen, readiness means that our Airmen need to be able to repair a cratered runway, setup emergency airfield lighting, setup aircraft arresting systems, and provide drinking water among a host of other tasks. When most people think of CE, they think of Bubba plunging their toilet. Bubba is very important, but he is a very small piece of the pie. When we deploy, we need flyers dropping bombs, not figuring how to get water from A to B. - Where engineers often fail is telling the operational community where we can't support. Sometimes we let work slip into the black hole, which is unsat. So, this diatribe probably fits better in what's wrong with the AF, but the takeaway is that I don't think moving flyers into support squadrons is a cure all in terms of fixing support functions and rated promotion rates, and it certainly isn't as easy as some would think. If people are leaving because of all the non-flying stuff they have to do, moving someone into a support squadron seems like the worst thing you could do. I don't know what the right answer is to the pilot crisis, but I hope you guys figure it out. The nation needs you guys, and I'm proud to support you.

Sorry going to have to continue to disagree with you here on "CC is clearly articulating policy, not much more" He is mandating "NEW and IMPROVED minimums to the PT standard. On top of that he is requiring those not meeting his higher standard (for no justifiable reason) to have additional duty requirements (PT at 0600 is likely outside normal show time for his squadron and thus additional time). If he really want's to do group PT then do it on the company time. If the Air Force wants to put its money where it's mouth is then it will provide ample opportunity for people to get their PT in during normal hours. One of my older squadrons 2-3 times a week would kick every one out of the squadron at 1530 or so for group PT, have us PT for 30-45 mins and release every one home to spend some extra time with the family. Considering we all deployed/TDY 6+ months a year on average this did two things. Took care of your people while at home through additional family time to attempt and pay some of that lost time back, and incentivized the PT as it was an easy ticket to getting out of the office early. Even better he made it very clear he expected people to head home, and made sure the individual shop chief's were not expecting their people to head back into the office post PT protecting us from overly zealous workaholic types. So yes is JQP off base at times? Sure. But in this case I can find no fault with his reasoning. This commanders policy is shit. If you are provided time in the day to get your work out, and fail to utilize it and fail then you are punished great. But until you fail they need to back the F#$% off.

Hhhm, No. Don't get me wrong, when TC first wrote his Dear Boss letter a half decade ago, I was one of the ones up on my desk jumping and cheering. But the brand has tarnished, that's for sure. As a metaphor, think about other media sources that you've seen handle aviation stories, for instance. Once you have an expert working knowledge of a field, then see it mangled by journalists who only take the time to get a half inch deep understanding of what they then write about, you get the point. In this case, JQP (or whoever is currently carrying the nom de plume) has seized on nothing in an attempt to shake the tree for fruit. I've gotten into more than a handful of bar conversations about the veracity of JQP over time. Bar conversations with folks that have a more intimate knowledge of certain events than I do, and they take a much more jaundiced eye toward JQP, and it's often telling. This story in particular, (if you can manage to get yourself past the CC's haircut and nugget for a moment) is toilet paper thin. It's a policy letter. Read 1-2. The CC is clearly articulating policy, not much more. Since when did unit PT become some abhorrent punishment? Really? Are we a part of UAW now? Can't organize PT unless the union bosses approve? There's plenty that's fucked up about our PFT model. Lets start with a 6'2" dude waist measuring the same as a 5'4" dude: doesn't pass the logic test, but here we are. But if someone is min-running the numbers and the CC wants to attempt a glove save; a CC that actually wants to engage his NCOs to lead; a CC that actually wants to (gasp) Organize, Train, and Equip his squadron for success; that is now offensive? FFS, this is a far cry from the Dear Boss letter that lamented the neutered state of a sitting commander.

I got in with worse. You're fine man. If they say no they'd tell you why anyway. There are plenty of units in your neck of the woods. Get your apps in and rush the unit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Guys guess what we fixed the problem... in several years... no seriously we mean it... please don't go...

C for effort. I'm just not convinced 0.8 bodies per squadron will do much.

that took some balls.

Maybe I've been silent too long, and maybe i'm TDY under the influence, but why do people keep saying "Russians" like that means State Actor. Am I the only one who listens to Bruce Schneier? Heck, you can "hippie out" and watch the new Cyberwar show on the Viceland app and get a better idea. Russia allows hackers of all kinds to do cyber work with impunity as long as targets don't coincide with Russia State bodies. This isn't new. In fact you can hire one for as little as $5 on Fiverr.com. This is known in the Network Security realm as Westphalian Fallacy. Just because someone operates from a location doesn't make them State Actors of the location they live in. In fact, of all the factors of Air Force attack vectors...attribution is our biggest hold-up, and in this case there is no clear way to assign blame. This is classic "Meet the Parents," logic...no, the Russians did not attack the DNC...an [indefinite article] Russian did...for profit. Even if it was THE Russians...we have about as much evidence as a fart in the elevator with 20 people in it. That report is complete subjectiveness. There was not a single first-hand report of Putin or Russia doing anything, except being. Trust me...i'm not a Russian sympathizer, but we've got to do something more than point fingers to appear right...and No, Wikileaks isn't the answer. That's like pointing at the wind after you fart thinking its a viable excuse to those around you. Even still, a canary isn't enough to avoid the attack: Look at OPM. OPM was warned 1.5 years in advance by Mandrake Consulting, with actual instructions on how to avoid attack from the Chinese Decentralized Unit. The appendix had step by step instructions...a monkey could have avoided it; with a football in one hand. Not having a cyber entity in-charge is a non-issue...there is taking responsibility to be done at a unit level. If I ran a mom-pop website and it was hacked because I failed to do a simple update...i'd be out the job or worse. This is an organization under Federal Review....Congressional IG...DoD-CIO...IC review. We have an internal problem. The Hillary Server should have been a conversation starter but it was wrong time/wrong place. On another note...DISA is not the solution. You can't spell disappointment without DISA. I've been on both sides of this argument in my OPS/Cyber background. DISA is a combat support agency, but they don't step to the challenge. They force services like the AF to be C&A masters when they should be more advantageous or brave and offer solutions that DoD-CIO can outright approve. But being on the OPS side of the AF I know, this is requiring an AO to accept Risk, which is like asking a person to play Russian Roulette (partly a pun) with their career. Any respectable leader in a Commercial Entity, even ones involving HIPAA, FERPA, FISMA, or Sarbanes-Oxley would have bit the bullet...the AF would still have their hands in the pockets. Cyber...OPS or Support...is an Oxymoron or a Fallacy. If you want an argument against DISA look at EFBs...DMUC doesn't provide a single service except an extremely on-time bill for $7.54 per device per month. They employ less people to manage it than an average FLIP management shop in an OSS. They offer no more than a proxy to call Mobile Iron when its not working. PureBred is the new Certificate Issuance for Mobile Devices conduit...its 2 years behind...briefed 27 times per year despite its status...and is still currently not ready. When it is allowed, they plan to phase in customers who aren't contributors to DMUC last. i.e. The Majority of the AF that isn't AMC. It sounds like a midnight QVC gone wrong. But what do I know...

This is the equivalency of you living in a great middle class neighborhood. However, I live in a drug infested trailer park. Then you trying to tell me you totally understand what I go through. No you don't understand. You cannot relate to me at all. You will be a more effective leader with the enlisted if you can actually relate to them in general. Leading isn't about barking orders. You need compassion and have to be able to understand the enlisted you are trying to lead. Comm doesn't need to come over to ops. Why don't you go over to the comm building and establish a relationship with their airmen, NCOs, or SNCOs. Try talking to them like human beings and it might get you somewhere. The ops vs support mentality is growing tired and old. Are CCs actually talking to each other to resolve these issues? It starts at the top and some issues might get fixed if people tried it. When my Lt was trying to get CFPS and other software installed, it sounded like he was being a dick to comm. I should have asked him did he try hooking comm up by using backdoor AF policy of handing out booze.

Its not that black and white. There are two hour waits at the pharmacy because a civilian walked off the job. Waits at the clinic on getting referrals off base due to manning. Just like the pilot retention issue, lots of AFSCs at bases are not adequately manned. Sequestration wasn't that long ago in my mind and we are still feeling it. If we don't have the manning for something, I'm not going to kill my airmen by making them work until 8 pm. If I was a support CC, I would be that guy to take care of my airmen. Is someone going to die because you receive your TMO orders late? Or do I need to take away their morning PT and have half the squadron fail the test? There is a huge disconnect between how you view the AF and how I view things. Some enlisted can't work late as single parents because they have to pick there kids up at the CDC after work. I don't know if you are married and have kids, but if you don't then that's why you can't relate. I am not married and I don't have any kids just to put that into perspective for you. A lot of enlisted members attend classes directly after work. You want to tell the education office your 3 airmen failed classes because you made them work late everyday. The AF pays for those classes. On this forum we have all talked about being stretched far too thin with personnel. You are seeing what happens on the support side when they are not adequately manned. If you don't have enough pilots, you can't pull them out of your ass. You have to cut back on the mission until manning permits otherwise.

You must turn orders into the TMO to have your HHG shipped. "I said TMO orders." You don't need to resort to name calling when I counter your illogical point The disconnect is real on your part. Airmen who live on base have to eat in the chow hall. Working lunch? You can have a working lunch if you are going to pay for everyone's food to work through lunch. The shirt is going to say something to you if you think you can make airmen stay for a working lunch. Even if you buy food, they could say they don't want your food. Everyone knows this already. You are asking to be chiefed Viperstud. Not trying to be a dick. Have you gone to SOS?