Majestik Møøse Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 One month before the CoC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) A shame. People around him have been saying for a long time (I first heard it when he was an O-6) that he was on his way to 4-stars, and that he was exactly what was needed. Edited June 7, 2019 by HuggyU2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 USAFWC/CC fired: https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/06/05/two-star-general-at-nellis-fired-over-suspected-unprofessional-relationship/Don't screw the help Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Apparently it's "the sport of Kings," not "the sport of potential Kings." 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazaam Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Margarita machine in his office. Is he hiring? Navy probing claims against war college leader https://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy-probing-claims-against-war-college-leader-1.585032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 11:14 PM, skibum said: I think the commandant job is “frocked” Normally, that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Shazaam said: Margarita machine in his office. Is he hiring? Navy probing claims against war college leader https://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy-probing-claims-against-war-college-leader-1.585032 Gotta say, I didn't see anything in there that warrants removing him from the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazaam Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) On 6/9/2019 at 1:19 PM, pawnman said: Gotta say, I didn't see anything in there that warrants removing him from the position. You can have margarita Friday. But when you throw in "friendly" games of Twister, that is where people draw the line. Thou shall not combine Twister with margaritas because someone will cop a feel. AF Times: Leader Approves Margaritas & Rape Twister 😮😮 Edited June 11, 2019 by Shazaam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 The Air Force's highest-ranking woman fighter pilot has been fired from running the office that oversees top secret programs: https://www.businessinsider.com/dawn-dunlop-air-force-woman-fighter-pilot-fired-secret-office-2019-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 She was fired because she called people idiots and yelled at people on the phone? That just dashed my hopes of ever going further in my career..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, FLEA said: She was fired because she called people idiots and yelled at people on the phone? That’s known as “status quo” when dealing with TACC. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, waveshaper said: The Air Force's highest-ranking woman fighter pilot has been fired from running the office that oversees top secret programs: https://www.businessinsider.com/dawn-dunlop-air-force-woman-fighter-pilot-fired-secret-office-2019-6 “The source said that things reached a boiling point May 31, when Dunlop lost her temper in a meeting with senior Air Force civilians. An Air Force civilian immediately told Ellen Lord, the Pentagon's top acquisition official, about the situation in the office, the source said, and Lord walked over to the SAPCO office and removed Dunlop.” And that, boys and girls, should tell you everything you need to know about where you’re at in the food chain if your office includes GS employees. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, BFM this said: “The source said that things reached a boiling point May 31, when Dunlop lost her temper in a meeting with senior Air Force civilians. An Air Force civilian immediately told Ellen Lord, the Pentagon's top acquisition official, about the situation in the office, the source said, and Lord walked over to the SAPCO office and removed Dunlop.” And that, boys and girls, should tell you everything you need to know about where you’re at in the food chain if your office includes GS employees. I'd imagine they were SESes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, LookieRookie said: I'd imagine they were SESes Ellen M. Lord = Senate confirmed position. I'm not sure if the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment is one of them SES positions? The weasel(s) that ratted out this Distinguished General probably are some of them SESes (Turds/Idiots) that are worthy of being yelled at and kicked to the curb for these minor league - BS accusations. https://dod.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography-View/Article/1281505/ellen-m-lord/ Edited June 11, 2019 by waveshaper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, BFM this said: “The source said that things reached a boiling point May 31, when Dunlop lost her temper in a meeting with senior Air Force civilians. An Air Force civilian immediately told Ellen Lord, the Pentagon's top acquisition official, about the situation in the office, the source said, and Lord walked over to the SAPCO office and removed Dunlop.” And that, boys and girls, should tell you everything you need to know about where you’re at in the food chain if your office includes GS employees. Checks, also don’t cuss out your secretary if you’re a wing king. IG complaints follow and soon after a firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 If yelling at people is enough to get removed, the pilot retention crisis is about to get a lot worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, pawnman said: If yelling at people is enough to get removed, the pilot retention crisis is about to get a lot worse. Haha, I've been yelled at in a debrief... a simulator debrief! I never forgot to check the Master Arm in the hot position when I called "in" after that though. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best-22 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I thought we didn't like toxic leaders on this board? Surely you can't all think that screaming at each other over the phone, and calling your peers idiots behind their back is how business gets done.. It seems to me she was already under multiple IG investigations and her throwing a temper tantrum was just the final straw. I honestly question your judgement if you perceive the people you work with to be so stupid, relative to yourself, that you have no other option than to yell at them. I've never had any contact with her though so if she was legitimately a good leader please let me know. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawg15 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, Best-22 said: I thought we didn't like toxic leaders on this board? Surely you can't all think that screaming at each other over the phone, and calling your peers idiots behind their back is how business gets done.. It seems to me she was already under multiple IG investigations and her throwing a temper tantrum was just the final straw. I honestly question your judgement if you perceive the people you work with to be so stupid, relative to yourself, that you have no other option than to yell at them. I've never had any contact with her though so if she was legitimately a good leader please let me know. You must not be a pilot or have experience with leading an organization if yelling at someone is the defining point of a toxic environment. It’s extremely common in every other branch of service. Some people need the tough love of being yelled at every now and then. Obviously not constantly, but it has a time and a place. And the fact that this whole thing involved civilians and not military members is telling. I doubt there would be any IG investigations going on if the Air Force didn’t try and replace every job with a contractor that can’t be fired, being paid 3x more than a service member, who has no clue or experience with military culture. I would bet money she had to deal with a lot of incompetent civilians who know she can’t do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazaam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hawg15 said: You must not be a pilot or have experience with leading an organization if yelling at someone is the defining point of a toxic environment. It’s extremely common in every other branch of service. Some people need the tough love of being yelled at every now and then. Obviously not constantly, but it has a time and a place. And the fact that this whole thing involved civilians and not military members is telling. I doubt there would be any IG investigations going on if the Air Force didn’t try and replace every job with a contractor that can’t be fired, being paid 3x more than a service member, who has no clue or experience with military culture. I would bet money she had to deal with a lot of incompetent civilians who know she can’t do anything about it. What freaking squadron are you in where people run around yelling? It serves no purpose at all. I didn't need to yell in order to get a back ender to stop driving his motorcycle like Maverick from Top Gun. I made him cry using a little emotional intelligence and didn't raise my voice once. I have seen military members who yell in a training environment, then they think they can puff out their chest and do the same with civilians. The civilians won't lift a finger for that individual or their organization. My squadron had this exact problem until I rolled in. If you have to use your rank or big mouth to lead, I need you to sit down and STFU. My approach has worked wonders inside the squadron and with organizations outside the squadron like CONS and CE. Edited June 12, 2019 by Shazaam 1 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Shazaam said: What freaking squadron are you in where people run around yelling? It serves no purpose at all. I didn't need to yell in order to get a back ender to stop driving his motorcycle like Maverick from Top Gun. I made him cry using a little emotional intelligence and didn't raise my voice once. I have seen military members who yell in a training environment, then they think they can puff out their chest and do the same with civilians. The civilians won't lift a finger for that individual or their organization. My squadron had this exact problem until I rolled in. If you have to use your rank or big mouth to lead, I need you to sit down and STFU. My approach has worked wonders inside the squadron and with organizations outside the squadron like CONS and CE. Biggest problem I see is that you call a squadron member a “back ender”. I think I’d rather get yelled at! Edited June 12, 2019 by Tank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 What freaking squadron are you in where people run around yelling? It serves no purpose at all. I didn't need to yell in order to get a back ender to stop driving his motorcycle like Maverick from Top Gun. I made him cry using a little emotional intelligence and didn't raise my voice once.So making someone cry from using emotional intelligence is different from yelling how?If you can break someone using emotional intelligence or yelling the net result is the same. You are using a tactic to elicit a change of behavior. No one method is better than the other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 48 minutes ago, Shazaam said: My squadron had this exact problem until I rolled in. Sigh.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, pawnman said: If yelling at people is enough to get removed, the pilot retention crisis is about to get a lot worse. she was over the top... Even in the cockpit, no one could do things correct "enough" for her. Consistently tearing people apart who were trying to help her/the msn succeed... It wasn't just a periodic thing when someone slipped up, it was all the freaking time. If someone is consistently doing things wrong you either find ways to help them do it right or you find ways to get them out of that job... Problem was she couldn't get rid of everyone. Years of mental abuse from leaders like her, who only know 1 way to lead, is precisely why we can't keep good people. Good riddance, 20 years too late. Stop promoting these people. Edited June 12, 2019 by Tonka 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It’s taking everything I have to not make a joke about a woman yelling at people for not being “correct enough” for her. But I’ve evolved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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