The Next President is...

[uhhello]

Dude was dead before they got him to the truck.  Zero chance anyone could take that hit in that area.  He could have been on operating table when shot and still probably would have died.  In the closeup video, he lost 1/4 of his volume in a few seconds.  

200 yard shot and shooter not caught yet.  

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[mp5g]

1 minute ago, nunya said:

CNN is saying he's dead.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3801410/charlie-kirk-utah-valley-university-shooting/
 

so is Washington Examiner. 
 

and Truth Social via Trumps account:

[jrizzell]

This is a really f’ing depressing. I don’t know how America recovers from the trajectory we’re on. Prayers for his wife and two daughters


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[ViperMan]

51 minutes ago, jrizzell said:

This is a really f’ing depressing. I don’t know how America recovers from the trajectory we’re on. Prayers for his wife and two daughters

Not being flippant or justifying it, but the answer is violence.

Look at history. What do you see?

[lloyd christmas]

I would imagine there are thousands of fraternity houses cracking beers right now getting ready to party on campus for Charlie tonight.  

[ClearedHot]

My views straddle both sides of the aisle and I try to be open but for F@cks Sake some of these Liberals are soulless humans.  

An MSNBC guest sickly speculated that the person who shot Charlie Kirk in the neck could have been one of his supporters firing a gun “in celebration.”Illinois Governor JB Pritzker is already blaming Trump for Charlie's death.  What a disgusting blob of a human.

An MSNBC guest sickly speculated that the person who shot Charlie Kirk in the neck could have been one of his supporters firing a gun “in celebration.”  Another blames Kirk for saying words.

 

On the floor of Congress another sickening display.

And of course your typical liberals celebrating online.

 

 

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, ViperMan said:

Not being flippant or justifying it, but the answer is violence.

Look at history. What do you see?

Sort of. The answer is violence from the state. 

 

This is not new. The 60's had a *lot* of political violence. Hunt them and lock them up. Publicly and ruthlessly. 

 

If not, and where we agree, is that violence will be the response

[bfargin]

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

[Boomer6]

26 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

I'm pro rule of law as well, and opposed to it taking years to convict a murderer. However, the answer to defending Americans' right to voice their opinions free from the risk of death is not to become China or nK in our execution of justice (i.e. a one day trial).

Televising the execution might help. Especially if they request a firing squad.

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[bfargin]

Yeah I might have gone too far in the shortness of a fair trial. But, they do have the whole murder on film so there is not much to defend (you got my point).

[pbar]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

Yep.  Why is Dylan Roof still alive 8 years after he was handed a death sentence!?!?  He was caught red-handed and there isn't the slightest doubt as to his guilt but yet justice is delayed and delayed.  And don't get me started on Sgt Hasan Akbar.  20 years!

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

I'm mostly on board with you. I don't think the death penalty should be public though, as it lowers us and I think would delegitimize our justice system by making a spectacle out of it. That's not necessary. Philosophically I have no issue with the death penalty. I also don't think it needs to be a deterrent to be a just punishment. Holding "deterrence" as a requisite for applying the death penalty is adopting the Left's frame.

The death penalty is about revenge. It's an eye for an eye. It's about extracting the maximum amount of justice on behalf of the person who can no longer exact it for themselves. It hasn't got anything to do with deterring crime IMO. If deterrence is a side effect for those who are so base as to need to be deterred from heinous acts, then fine, but that's a bonus.

Practically, there are many instances where the justice system has fallen short, however. Making it the case that the application of the death penalty is historically fraught.