What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Clark Griswold]

If you could build a fighter sim using this platform, with some other technology to enhance the physical strain of the modest g generation capability of this full motion sim system you might be able to get a bit of the visceral feel real flight

https://desdemona.eu
 

3.3 Gs is modest but something; if you had dynamic resistance systems to add weight / breathing resistance on to the aircrew during simulation of high g maneuvers you probably could get a better effect

Not cheap I’m sure but if you wanna have the best air to air simulator, an amp’d up version of this networked to other stations with good real and AI opponents might be worth the coin

Edited September 25, 2023 by Clark Griswold

[di1630]

If you could build a fighter sim using this platform, with some other technology to enhance the physical strain of the modest g generation capability of this full motion sim system you might be able to get a bit of the visceral feel real flight
https://desdemona.eu
 
3.3 Gs is modest but something; if you had dynamic resistance systems to add weight / breathing resistance on to the aircrew during simulation of high g maneuvers you probably could get a better effect
Not cheap I’m sure but if you wanna have the best air to air simulator, an amp’d up version of this networked to other stations with good real and AI opponents might be worth the coin

Motion/g’s wouldn’t be where I’d spend any effort.

We have the sim tech already, we’d just rather spend it on flying hours than invest because that’s how we’ve always done it.




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[HossHarris]

9 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

If you could build a fighter sim using this platform, with some other technology to enhance the physical strain of the modest g generation capability of this full motion sim system you might be able to get a bit of the visceral feel real flight

https://desdemona.eu
 

3.3 Gs is modest but something; if you had dynamic resistance systems to add weight / breathing resistance on to the aircrew during simulation of high g maneuvers you probably could get a better effect

Not cheap I’m sure but if you wanna have the best air to air simulator, an amp’d up version of this networked to other stations with good real and AI opponents might be worth the coin

That thing looks like an inner ear / spatial D nightmare. 
 

fly it just like you would the real plane. But whatever you do, don’t turn your cranium left or right.

[Clark Griswold]

Motion/g’s wouldn’t be where I’d spend any effort.

We have the sim tech already, we’d just rather spend it on flying hours than invest because that’s how we’ve always done it.

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Gotcha, just my hunch that the Bobs might go for something like this as it could be a one or two off facilities vs a new fleet type
Methinks you could sell them on that easier than buying new jets, I’d prefer a new purposefully purchased plane for better CT and small complex, integrated exercises but a high end sim facility seems more in tune with the current environment

That thing looks like an inner ear / spatial D nightmare. 
 
fly it just like you would the real plane. But whatever you do, don’t turn your cranium left or right.

No doubt it not perfect, to get the g’s to feel more uniform the rotational arm could be longer, small rotational arms lead to the head and feet experiencing different g’s but the longer the arm the less its effect is, as to the inner ear problems copy, not perfect but could give a physical stress to induce the psychological response desired to make the training more effective


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[Biff_T]

10 hours ago, HossHarris said:

That thing looks like an inner ear / spatial D nightmare. 
 

fly it just like you would the real plane. But whatever you do, don’t turn your cranium left or right.

The trick is to slow to around 70 KIAS, push the nose down and pull yourself around with a little collective.  You only pull about 1.3 Gs.  Lol 

[artvandelay43201]

RIP Altus Crashpads 

[HuggyU2]

It's always been this way... even if it went unenforced for a few years. 

Is having to stay on base that big of a deal?

There's a lot of big shit wrong in the AF.  This is unnecessary noise.  

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by HuggyU2

[Swizzle]

53 minutes ago, artvandelay43201 said:

RIP Altus Crashpads 

"The Per Diem Committee ensures that uniform travel and transportation regulations are issued for members of the Uniformed Services and DoD civilian employees."

Pretty sure DTS is an approved method, and specified as such. The Per Diem Committee gets to set these policies and gets the final $ say. 

https://www.dfas.mil/MilitaryMembers/travelpay/regulations/

[jice]

3 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

It's always been this way... even if it went unenforced for a few years. 

Is having to stay on base that big of a deal?

There's a lot of big shit wrong in the AF.  This is unnecessary noise.  

 

You’re right. Unnecessary noise… what’s the valid mission need for making life less convenient/pleasant for families?

ETA: if there is a valid need: Great. If not, just follow the rules and let these folks figure out the definition of “suitable” on their own. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by jice

[Boomer6]

“It’s always been that way” is the main response most of us have heard when we’ve questioned some archaic non-sensical policy required by the AF. Usually, it’s offered up by some schlubby TSgt at finance explaining why my voucher wasn’t paid out on time.

Reasons I’ve not been required to use base lodging in the past: it’s full of asbestos (x2), bedbug infestation (x3), the building was condemned (x3), the water is brown, black mold etc. All of these items were of course promptly fixed, followed by an almost identical memo above, before once again another memo was issued stating the opposite, because aforementioned issues weren’t in fact fixed. No idea where that $50 mil repair budget went though..

It’s unnecessary to pay Hilton nightly rates for Red Roof Inn levels of accommodation, especially when I can use the same money to stay somewhere that won’t add to my VA claim. All of this so DoD can get a kickback.

Apologies for the diatribe. I’ll get off your lawn now, although your lawn is probably a cleaner place to stay than base lodging.. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Boomer6

[Bigred]

"DoD Lodging Adequacy Standards"

It's the key to getting a non-A at (almost) every military base. 

[ClearedHot]

10 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

It's always been this way... even if it went unenforced for a few years. 

Is having to stay on base that big of a deal?

There's a lot of big shit wrong in the AF.  This is unnecessary noise. 

DAYUM...next Huggy will be measuring socks at the DFAC.

[SocialD]

Problem is probably the standard everywhere else, the wrong persons pockets are getting lined and someone doesn't like it.  

[Biff_T]

1 hour ago, SocialD said:

Problem is probably the standard everywhere else, the wrong persons pockets are getting lined and someone doesn't like it.  

This

[arg]

21 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

It's always been this way... 

 

As I got older, when some shoe clerk said that, I would ask

"How far back does your always go? Because mine goes back pretty far"

[Pooter]

Maybe you could pitch staying at a crash pad in the context of Agile Combat Employment and sell it like the dispersed basing of aircraft.  When war with China kicks off isn't the Red Shit Dumpster River Inn full of upgrading MAF pilots exactly what they're going to be aiming the hypersonics at?

Why put all your eggs in one basket when you can diversify.. and have hot tubs 

[Swizzle]

14 hours ago, Pooter said:

//

Why put all your eggs in one basket when you can diversify.. and have hot tubs 

Someone feels like *they're pregnant!

Edited October 1, 2023 by Swizzle
Correctable to 100%

[HuggyU2]

They're. 

[Swizzle]

4 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

They're. 

Whisky for breakfast

[Sua Sponte]

On 9/30/2023 at 3:02 AM, Boomer6 said:

“It’s always been that way” is the main response most of us have heard when we’ve questioned some archaic non-sensical policy required by the AF. Usually, it’s offered up by some schlubby TSgt at finance explaining why my voucher wasn’t paid out on time.

Reasons I’ve not been required to use base lodging in the past: it’s full of asbestos (x2), bedbug infestation (x3), the building was condemned (x3), the water is brown, black mold etc. All of these items were of course promptly fixed, followed by an almost identical memo above, before once again another memo was issued stating the opposite, because aforementioned issues weren’t in fact fixed. No idea where that $50 mil repair budget went though..

It’s unnecessary to pay Hilton nightly rates for Red Roof Inn levels of accommodation, especially when I can use the same money to stay somewhere that won’t add to my VA claim. All of this so DoD can get a kickback.

Apologies for the diatribe. I’ll get off your lawn now, although your lawn is probably a cleaner place to stay than base lodging.. 

Hampton in Altus is worse than on base. Holiday Inn Express is the only okay hotel in town. 

[Pooter]

5 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Hampton in Altus is worse than on base. Holiday Inn Express is the only okay hotel in town. 

Probably why the crash pad market is booming there. 
 

Also I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel either for a long term TDY. I want somewhere with a kitchen so I can buy and cook my own food. Hot tubs and pool tables and PlayStations are nice but a kitchen is the #1 quality of life thing I look for on any TDY longer than about a month. 

[tac airlifter]

On 9/30/2023 at 11:21 PM, Pooter said:

Maybe you could pitch staying at a crash pad in the context of Agile Combat Employment and sell it like the dispersed basing of aircraft.  

That’s actually genius bro.

Interesting story relayed to me by NWC Dean: when the USSR fell a brief period of candor existed between our militaries and we sent various folks to Moscow who, among other things, got to read Soviet war plans.  Anyway, they assessed certain NATO (non-US) fighter units as particularly troublesome in the event of a Fulda Gap scenario so the Soviets developed an unconventional solution: send Spetsnaz pre-invasion to murder them.  Small commando teams burning down apartment buildings full of SQ pilots and families would neuter their combat effectiveness without jeopardizing the lesser skilled Soviet Air Forces.  
 

so yea, for OPSEC you should stay in a random AirBnB on every TDY.  It’s worth a shot  🇺🇸

[HeyEng]

On 10/4/2023 at 8:56 AM, tac airlifter said:

That’s actually genius bro.

Interesting story relayed to me by NWC Dean: when the USSR fell a brief period of candor existed between our militaries and we sent various folks to Moscow who, among other things, got to read Soviet war plans.  Anyway, they assessed certain NATO (non-US) fighter units as particularly troublesome in the event of a Fulda Gap scenario so the Soviets developed an unconventional solution: send Spetsnaz pre-invasion to murder them.  Small commando teams burning down apartment buildings full of SQ pilots and families would neuter their combat effectiveness without jeopardizing the lesser skilled Soviet Air Forces.  
 

so yea, for OPSEC you should stay in a random AirBnB on every TDY.  It’s worth a shot  🇺🇸

And it was not just limited to NATO countries either, the Soviets had similar plans for Sweden. The Russians learned the hard way not to tango in mock dogfights with Swedish Viggens and often stalled their aircraft with trying to turn into a Viggen at low altitude!

Soviet sports and Olympic teams were filled with Spetsnaz agents and were more “free” to wander around in target countries without a KGB keeper that their teammates had to endure!

[Lawman]

And it was not just limited to NATO countries either, the Soviets had similar plans for Sweden. The Russians learned the hard way not to tango in mock dogfights with Swedish Viggens and often stalled their aircraft with trying to turn into a Viggen at low altitude!
Soviet sports and Olympic teams were filled with Spetsnaz agents and were more “free” to wander around in target countries without a KGB keeper that their teammates had to endure!

We had a cyber war guy brief a theory paper on “non kinetic disruptive attrition.”

Essentially, you don’t even have to kill us to hurt our combat capability. Anybody above the rank of major just have those warehouses full of hackers and bots start running up credit cards in their name, issue police reports or swat people, start emailing their wife the “it’s his baby and I want my money” or nudes from some girl in whatever city your last TDY was… that type stuff… basically everything you see when the hacker wrecks the life of somebody in a movie.

Do that simultaneously to all the leadership out there, then while that’s going on do something akin to Russia when they went into Crimea. With the amount of information the government already handed them through our own stupidity plus the amount of social media we already put out on ourselves, it wouldn’t be hard to severely hobble the command channels with issues that result in delayed action. For those of us that remember the Ashley Madison hack and the shit show that ensued when peoples wives started googling names… now do it with the benefit of AI.


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[Boomer6]

Still shocked the DoD allows combatants to maintain social media accounts.