Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[Swizzle]

20 minutes ago, DuckHunter said:

As of 3 May:

”The Go Live date for the AvB program is currently delayed due to a pending program update from HAF/A1.”

You can’t make this stuff up.  And I’d bet a lot of money the update is not in us aviator’s favor.

Might they be challenging some people's bluffs? Like those who say they'll walk without AvB or maybe (smartly) testing the actual retention rate without AvB...I mean it's been a hot minute since DoD had the legal authority to issue it to members. Maybe they're seeing how many will proceed without it....but if policy is holding it up, why? It's self-defeating

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, DuckHunter said:

As of 3 May:

”The Go Live date for the AvB program is currently delayed due to a pending program update from HAF/A1.”

You can’t make this stuff up.  And I’d bet a lot of money the update is not in us aviator’s favor.

HAF/A1 is also holding up the latest rated board for AFROTC cadets. 

[ToHoldShort]

More comedy from the talking craniums. “Before, the needs of the Air Force would shape your career. Now we have talent marketplace where they can go out and at least provide some more input, have a little more agency in there future assignments.” Just so APFC can disregard them because you just signed a bonus and they know you can’t leave

 https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-boost-pilot-retention/

[viperdriver1313]

Anyone with updates? I think it’s June this week…

[Magellan]

I am just wondering how many people will take the Bone Us money this year if/when it gets released.

[viperdriver1313]

Classic next week turns to 5 months down the road. 

[UPT-hopeful]

Edited May 31, 2023 by UPT-hopeful

[SocialD]

Let this be a lesson to you young punks who still think they care about you.  This is what high level leadership thinks of you.  They don't care enough to roll out a bonus before the 9th month of the FY.  Make your decisions accordingly.  

[artvandelay43201]

1 hour ago, SocialD said:

Let this be a lesson to you young punks who still think they care about you.  This is what high level leadership thinks of you.  They don't care enough to roll out a bonus before the 9th month of the FY.  Make your decisions accordingly.  

The young punks who cared were still going to stay in regardless.

[Bigred]

Insider baseball says it was held up above HAF level, aka, OSD, due to conflicts amongst DODI, FM instructions, and the new NDAA. I have no idea what the bonus will look like but I’ll be the first to admit I was bitching about HAF dragging their feet and it appears they are waiting like the rest of the us. 
 

All that said, who knows when it’ll actually be released. 

[jice]

13 hours ago, artvandelay43201 said:

The young punks who cared were still going to stay in regardless.

Which is why the whole proposal for early takes is such a tragedy. Take rate statistics and survey trend data including “reasons given for turning down the bonus at 10+ years aviation commitment” should be mandatory at all bonus counseling sessions. A mandatory statement of “this is indentured servitude” is not very far from the truth.

People turn down the bonus because they don’t like what the Air Force is selling THEM. People take the bonus because THEIR with the Air Force is something they can live with. 

Kids at 7 years of aviation service just don’t have enough information to make an informed decision. They haven’t been sufficiently exposed to the Air Force Corporate structure to understand what opting into living it means.

[SocialD]

7 hours ago, Bigred said:

Insider baseball says it was held up above HAF level, aka, OSD, due to conflicts amongst DODI, FM instructions, and the new NDAA. I have no idea what the bonus will look like but I’ll be the first to admit I was bitching about HAF dragging their feet and it appears they are waiting like the rest of the us. 
 

All that said, who knows when it’ll actually be released. 

 

 

Herein lies one of my biggest issues with the .gov/military as a whole.  Little to no room for interpretation of intent.  I became painfully aware of this as the DETCO of a recent activation.   You're not allowed to do what everyone fully understands and agrees is the obvious/right thing to do.  BUT because it's a one off situation, none of the FM/JAG/Senior leader weenies are willing to take even the smallest amount of risk, because it's "coloring between the lines."  It didn't specifically state we could do it, so we make life painful on everyone and do the most illogical COA.  

 

Also, my point still stands.  When I said "high level leadership," that extends to those above HAF.  

[faipmafiaofficial]

Car wash manager for minimum of 125K....thats like a senior Capt at a UPT base flying 3 sorties a day...goes to show you how far behind the Air Force is at valuing its pilots

Edited June 3, 2023 by faipmafiaofficial

[504PIR]

 

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3415903/air-force-announces-fy23-legacy-aviation-bonus-program/

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, 504PIR said:

 

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3415903/air-force-announces-fy23-legacy-aviation-bonus-program/

and like typical air force, MyFSS is still showing "awaiting HAF inputs"  🙂

[bad_timing]

"Significant changes to the FY23 Legacy AvB Program include an increase in the monetary cap from $35,000 per year up to $50,000 per year for eligible officers."

I wasn't expecting legacy to get up to 50k. Not terrible. I'm curious which shreds will get it, guess we have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

[DFRESH]

3 hours ago, 504PIR said:

 

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3415903/air-force-announces-fy23-legacy-aviation-bonus-program/

Yet somehow there's nothing in myFSS.... Surprised face 

[brwwg&b]

46 minutes ago, DFRESH said:

Yet somehow there's nothing in myFSS.... Surprised face 

The article says it'll be released on 6 June on myFSS. Reading is tough

[SocialD]

1 hour ago, brwwg&b said:

The article says it'll be released on 6 June on myFSS. Reading is tough

 

In his defense, they also said my early retirement submission in VPC would "seamlessly transition to myFSS"...nearly 5 months and still waiting (historically has taken a few weeks).  As of yesterday they are still "working out some bugs, check back later."  Hopefully that "later" is before I retire at the end of the month.  

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, brwwg&b said:

The article says it'll be released on 6 June on myFSS. Reading is tough

I am indeed not a reader

Edited June 5, 2023 by uhhello

[bad_timing]

The myFSS page is updated.

[brwwg&b]

20 hours ago, SocialD said:

In his defense, they also said my early retirement submission in VPC would "seamlessly transition to myFSS"...nearly 5 months and still waiting (historically has taken a few weeks).  As of yesterday they are still "working out some bugs, check back later."  Hopefully that "later" is before I retire at the end of the month. 

Not surprised, they've rarely been able to even stay above water, much less manage anything "seamlessly".

I hope someone is fighting to push the rope for you though, that sucks.

[brwwg&b]

Looks similar to ones in the past, except now there's a graduated $ increase from 3-4 years (35K) to 5-7 year (42.5K) or 8-12 year (50K) options.

Since this is the "Legacy" AvB, it doesn't apply yet for people who are approaching but not AT their ADSC.

11Rs still get some form of screwed (35K max, except U2 pilots with RDTM EH...whatever that means) I think they're only trying to screw non U-2 11Rs this time.

Open until 15 September, will be interesting to see if there's any difference from historical take rates...

[brabus]

Imagine signing a 12 yr bonus…I’d rather drag my balls through 69 miles of broken glass covered in hot sauce. 

[Bigred]

27 minutes ago, brabus said:

Imagine signing a 12 yr bonus…I’d rather drag my balls through 69 miles of broken glass covered in hot sauce. 

I don’t understand the rational behind that. 12 years would put an initial eligible dude on the hook till 21-22 years, if I’m understanding it correctly.