What's wrong with the Air Force?

[ClearedHot]

20 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Sent out a memo? Now there’s some leadership...

[matmacwc]

I remember that, it didn’t really change anything.

[ClearedHot]

This is what is wrong with the Air Force.  UFB!!!

 

TENN_ANG.mp4

[Duck]

This is what is wrong with the Air Force.  UFB!!!
 
TENN_ANG.mp4

What the...

[LookieRookie]

What did I just watch? Is this a new fetish thing for O's and E's getting it on?

[DirtyFlightSuit]

I consider myself fairly irreverent but a small part of me got triggered by that.  Perhaps I am missing an important piece of information regarding the video.   

*to clarify, my second sentence was meant more as sarcasm. I do not think there is any missing information that makes this okay.*  

Edited April 16, 2018 by DirtyFlightSuit
Yup

[hindsight2020]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

This is what is wrong with the Air Force.  UFB!!!

 

TENN_ANG.mp4

 

[Spread em]

Sounds good.

[di1630]

I had to turn it off at the hand puppet. I seriously can’t believe these people are in the same USAF as me....actually I can and that’s even worse.

[Azimuth]

7 hours ago, di1630 said:

I had to turn it off at the hand puppet. I seriously can’t believe these people are in the same USAF as me....actually I can and that’s even worse.

Tennessee is a good ANG unit too. I’d expect this from Alabama.

[Bergman]

6 hours ago, Azimuth said:

Tennessee is a good ANG unit too. I’d expect this from Alabama.

Hey!  This was in Nashville!!  Nothing to do with the flying units...it was either HQ or 118th (RPAs).

EDIT: just read they are TN HQ people.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Bergman

[Azimuth]

On 4/16/2018 at 3:15 PM, Bergman said:

Hey!  This was in Nashville!!  Nothing to do with the flying units...it was either HQ or 118th (RPAs).

EDIT: just read they are TN HQ people.

 

 

[Guardian]

I can’t access the video. What happened?

[MDDieselPilot]

She recited the enlistment oath with a t-rex sock puppet on her right hand.  It's pretty cringe-worthy. 

Joke or no-joke, I can't imagine what went through her head, the O6 on the left, or the dude filming when they thought it'd be a good idea to post it online.  I'm by no means the most reverent person around and I thought it was pretty bad.

[mp5g]

4 hours ago, MDDieselPilot said:

She recited the enlistment oath with a t-rex sock puppet on her right hand.  It's pretty cringe-worthy. 

Joke or no-joke, I can't imagine what went through her head, the O6 on the left, or the dude filming when they thought it'd be a good idea to post it online.  I'm by no means the most reverent person around and I thought it was pretty bad.

No time wasted I guess. 

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/04/18/colonel-demoted-immediately-retired-from-air-national-guard-over-dinosaur-puppet-video/

[FUSEPLUG]

Good. I hope they boot her ass out as well. 

[BashiChuni]

Good. They both know better

strog swift leadership from the army general. 

Edited April 19, 2018 by BashiChuni

[pawnman]

Seems pretty excessive to me, especially given the light punishments that accompany actual wrong-doing so often.

The message is clear - fuck up all you want, but don't embarrass the Air Force in public.

[Guest nsplayr]

On 4/16/2018 at 5:15 PM, Bergman said:

Hey!  This was in Nashville!!  Nothing to do with the flying units...it was either HQ or 118th (RPAs).

EDIT: just read they are TN HQ people.

 

FWIW the 118th OG is a flying unit all day every day and twice on Sundays 

 

14 hours ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Good. I hope they boot her ass out as well. 

Negative ghostrider. 16 years of service and a PA/customs & courtesies fuck-up means you should be shown the door? Crashing airplanes negligently, getting others injured/killed, losing your weapon, etc. will all get you stars on your shoulder from what I've seen (no shit), but something like this means you get the boot no questions asked? I agree with pawnman above - this is an ass-chewing punishment, not a lose-your-retirement punishment.

I know the internet outrage machine is turned up to 11 and it's a nice neat narrative that, "Haha, look at those POGs in the ANG with their fucking sock puppets!" and I cringed and face-palmed too, especially because this was right down the street from where our guys are sitting and taking the fight to the enemy, but zoom out a little bit and realize we've all made mistakes that would probably severely embarrass the Air Force. Luckily for most of us there weren't any cameras around.

Edited April 19, 2018 by nsplayr

[waveshaper]

27 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Seems pretty excessive to me, especially given the light punishments that accompany actual wrong-doing so often.

The message is clear - fuck up all you want, but don't embarrass the Air Force in public.

Possible "cover story" for this egregious shenanigan? Source; Washington Post;    

"The ceremony was not an official reenlistment and that the video was made for Brown’s children to watch."

[Lord Ratner]

 

 

 

Negative ghostrider....

Agreed. Maybe when the most common O-6 story about the good old days isn't about how SF used to let them drive drunk after a night at the O Club, they can start kicking people out for stupid judgement lapses.

 

 

[tac airlifter]

On 4/19/2018 at 6:44 AM, nsplayr said:

 

I know the internet outrage machine is turned up to 11 and it's a nice neat narrative that, "Haha, look at those POGs in the ANG with their fucking sock puppets!" and I cringed and face-palmed too, especially because this was right down the street from where our guys are sitting and taking the fight to the enemy, but zoom out a little bit and realize we've all made mistakes....

Well said, concur.

the video was embarrassing and filming/posting by experienced people showed a huge lack of judgement.  However, their error did not jeopardize life, mission, equipment.  Firing these folks while ignoring senior leader mistakes that do jeopardize life, mission, and equipment tells me two things: image is valued above substance, and leadership will crush you for violating non-criminal undefined standards.

I like that immediate forcible retirement is a tool at the disposal of senior leaders, but this incident is when they use it?  Would any of us want the GO who crushed these folks to be our GO who may turn on us if a video surfaced of you without a hat, or having a beer in uniform?  What if, theoretically, CVR and FMV emerge of you shooting an injured squirter and CNN demands accountability.  Think this group of GOs would have your back or throw you to the wolves?  

TLDR: initial incident bad, reaction worse.  Nsplayr reply good.

 

[BashiChuni]

TA i disagree with you on this one.

that video was complete and utter bull shit...

both the O-6 and SNCO should know better... it made my blood boil. if someone sees me drinking beer in uniform or not wearing my cover so be it...i brought "shame" on myself and expect to deal with the consequences...but god damn did those two bring shame and scorn on the entire enterprise and shit all over a oath that thousands have given their lives upholding.

they mocked the entire military IMO and deserved to be absolutely crushed.

 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by BashiChuni

[icohftb]

Wait we cant drink beer in uniform?

[pawnman]

10 hours ago, icohftb said:

Wait we cant drink beer in uniform?

Just don't do it on camera.  It might embarrass a senior officer.