The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

You have to be the biggest condescending asshole on here dude.  For fucks sake, please stop.  

Hard disagree.

[ThreeHoler]

I don't tow your party line

Oh for ’s sake, it is “toe the line.”

[SocialD]

Oh good, another down day, that will make a difference...  I guess we'll just throw this in the "do something visible," column.  

Edited February 4, 2021 by SocialD

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, slackline said:

Pentagon figuring out how to deal with extremists in the ranks

Reuters put this up.  I'm curious if this is just going to be disregarded by some of the people in here that deny there are any problem. Or, are some of you going to just say this is leadership gone wrong, pandering to the SJWs?  

I guess I'll hold my opinion until I see the execution.

60 down days...what does that mean?  No flying, no deployments, no training?  

Are we going to actually do a re-scrub of the background investigations looking for extremists, or are we going to sit in a sharing circle talking about why extremism is bad?

What's going to count as extremism?  Is anyone who has ever called AOC dumb or mocked Biden's inability to put a sentence together on the chopping block?  Or are we going to actually look at people's connections to extremist groups?

Are we looking for extreme leftists (like that West Point kid who wrote "Communism Wins" inside his wheel cap) or only QAnon supporters?

I fully support the idea of rooting extremists out of the ranks.  But I have a lot of fears about how this will actually be implemented.

[jazzdude]

I guess I'll hold my opinion until I see the execution.
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Are we looking for extreme leftists (like that West Point kid who wrote "Communism Wins" inside his wheel cap) or only QAnon supporters?
I fully support the idea of rooting extremists out of the ranks.  But I have a lot of fears about how this will actually be implemented.

Agree that how this is implemented is important. This isn't a new problem, just pulled back into the spotlight. My guess is we won't see a substantial policy change, except for increased emphasis on existing policy/regulation), and likely some more awareness training (probably another annual cbt...)

Easy kills would be people with strong ties to known white supremacists or neo nazi groups, and inspections for tattoos or paraphernalia in their dorm linking someone to those groups. Probably get ordered to remove the offending tattoo or remove the offending paraphernalia, or be discharged. Also, any military members stupid enough to storm and physically enter the Capitol on 6 jan probably gets discharged as well.

From there, it gets harder. I doubt there would be any significant change to policy, but OSI/CID/etc will shift is focus to put more enough emphasis on investigating and charging suspected violent extremists within the military. Commanders will likely also be charged to be on the lookout within their units.

It'll probably take several years to correct the problem. Maybe someone with ties to extremists doesn't directly get kicked out, but maybe they aren't offered reenlistment (not sure how to force an exit on the officer side). But that relies on commanders placing department goals (eliminate extremists) potentially at odds with unit goals (mission effectiveness) if an identified extremist happens to be someone that is otherwise technically skilled/proficient.

I'll also bet there will be an increased emphasis on recruiters not looking the other way when a recruit has known or suspected ties to violent extremists or white supremacists groups. But this shouldn't be anything new.

The challenge is that the extremists we don't want in uniform will adapt (except for the stupid ones), making it much harder to identify them until they do something, whether it's racially/politically motivated violence in the community, or leaking secrets to our enemies.

I also wonder if this effort will be tied into the continuous monitoring for security clearances that we've been shifting to

[HossHarris]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

I guess I'll hold my opinion until I see the execution.

60 down days...what does that mean?  No flying, no deployments, no training?  

Are we going to actually do a re-scrub of the background investigations looking for extremists, or are we going to sit in a sharing circle talking about why extremism is bad?

What's going to count as extremism?  Is anyone who has ever called AOC dumb or mocked Biden's inability to put a sentence together on the chopping block?  Or are we going to actually look at people's connections to extremist groups?

Are we looking for extreme leftists (like that West Point kid who wrote "Communism Wins" inside his wheel cap) or only QAnon supporters?

I fully support the idea of rooting extremists out of the ranks.  But I have a lot of fears about how this will actually be implemented.

It’s A downday, sometime within the next 60 Days. 

[Lord Ratner]

13 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

You have to be the biggest condescending asshole on here dude.  For fucks sake, please stop.  

I know, right? I was actually beginning to wonder if this was another Chang-level epic trolling, but I don't think so.

[pawnman]

4 hours ago, HossHarris said:

It’s A downday, sometime within the next 60 Days. 

Oh, well that's more reasonable.

Any bets on if it will be more effective than other down days we've had for SAPR, suicide, or racial inequality?

[17D_guy]

11 hours ago, jazzdude said:

Good words

It's going to take longer than that, I expect there will be more OSI/CID/NCIS directed involvement to root out this sort of thing.

It reminds me of stories my Dad would tell about local gang issues he had while he was running the comm workcenters while on the ship.  Just more largely organized, which is worse.

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You guys thinking @slackline is a troll because he disagrees with you and won't back down is hilarious.

[JimNtexas]

Do you now, or have you ever, owned a MAGA hat?

Edited February 5, 2021 by JimNtexas
typo

[Lawman]

It's going to take longer than that, I expect there will be more OSI/CID/NCIS directed involvement to root out this sort of thing.

It reminds me of stories my Dad would tell about local gang issues he had while he was running the comm workcenters while on the ship.  Just more largely organized, which is worse.
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You guys thinking [mention=13623]slackline[/mention] is a troll because he disagrees with you and won't back down is hilarious.

So my question, what the hell were those contractors and FBI investigators we are paying doing? And why does it take them years to do it.

What the F seriously, we have forms and methods to find out about people’s dirty past. If you’ve been to SERE school or ever signed a consent to be monitored you have a pretty good idea at just how simply accessed so called “secure social media” information is. So what the F are these people doing if not finding the links to the dude hanging out with the skinheads in high school or talking to ISIS on Reddit.


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[17D_guy]

3 hours ago, Lawman said:

So my question, what the hell were those contractors and FBI investigators we are paying doing? And why does it take them years to do it.

What the F seriously, we have forms and methods to find out about people’s dirty past. If you’ve been to SERE school or ever signed a consent to be monitored you have a pretty good idea at just how simply accessed so called “secure social media” information is. So what the F are these people doing if not finding the links to the dude hanging out with the skinheads in high school or talking to ISIS on Reddit.


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If someone lies in their interview, and has locked down social media...not a lot you can do.  Thankfully, the FBI can't just ask for access to see without a warrant of some kind.

People lie man, I've seen it first hand...completely fine SF86 (right form?) and then they get a poly, "Oh, yea I forgot about x, y, z."

Also, I'd venture some people don't think those extremist organizations are extreme.  References to proud heritage, taking back the country, etc.

[ClearedHot]

AOC is so woke she almost died during the riot at the Capitol and she wasn't even there!  How do any of you who hate Trump for being a liar turn around and defend this lying twat?

 

 

 

[skosh]

https://www.theonion.com/republicans-accuse-ocasio-cortez-of-not-being-anywhere-1846200281

[CharlieHotel47]

I’m so WOKE right now after watching AOC talk... so WOKE


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[Negatory]

Who’s looking forward to living in Amazon-ville, NV?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2021-02-04/nevada-bill-would-allow-tech-companies-to-create-governments

This needs to be constitutionally outlawed.

[brabus]

What in the fuck is this dipshit gov thinking? This is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard. Keep electing shitheads and the people will keep getting shitty ideas and policy. 

[jazzdude]

Looks like NV is trying to foster innovation in planned communities, namely, smart cities leveraging technology to improve life.

Google tried a similar experiment that ultimately was cancelled:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/05/13/9-things-we-lost-when-google-canceled-its-smart-cities-project-in-toronto/?sh=7aea8c3e35bf

It's an interesting concept, but there's a lot of room for things to go wrong. Probably the worst assumptions are that tech companies understand people and governance.

The concept in if itself isn't bad. But allowing the developer to also act as the local government is dangerous. It'd be like a bad HOA suddenly getting direct legal power to act as a government

[kaputt]

https://notthebee.com/article/behold-the-woke-insanity-that-is-a-san-francisco-public-school-board-meeting
 

I have no idea why anyone would want to live in San Francisco. 

[Sua Sponte]

1 hour ago, kaputt said:

https://notthebee.com/article/behold-the-woke-insanity-that-is-a-san-francisco-public-school-board-meeting
 

I have no idea why anyone would want to live in San Francisco. 

Not surprisingly all of the board members looked exactly how I envisioned them looking.

[brabus]

I wonder if the board has realized yet they’re a bunch of racist POS. No?...I didn’t think so. Step 1 of minimizing racism: start at the lowest levels...if parents/residents of that area aren’t calling them out in droves, then we don’t make progress as a country.

[jazzdude]

I wonder if the board has realized yet they’re a bunch of racist POS. No?...I didn’t think so. Step 1 of minimizing racism: start at the lowest levels...if parents/residents of that area aren’t calling them out in droves, then we don’t make progress as a country.

The board is holding onto power, and doing the very thing they accuse white men of doing. How ironic. Then again, being a crappy person cuts across racial, gender, and social lines, so I guess I'm not too surprised.

I agree with you-so much of racial issues are local community issues, and that's where the change/progress needs to be made.

[jrizzell]

9 minutes ago, jazzdude said:

 

 

so much of racial issues are local community issues

 

If we learn one thing from the madness of the past 2 years, it's that local politics have a much more immediate impact on peoples lives. If you want to affect change, get involved.  Unless you're a gay father of mixed race children trying to get on the school board in San Francisco... 

[Lawman]

If we learn one thing from the madness of the past 2 years, it's that local politics have a much more immediate impact on peoples lives. If you want to affect change, get involved.  Unless you're a gay father of mixed race children trying to get on the school board in San Francisco... 

No you can’t fix it by changing out immediate echelon electorate officials in local government...

See what you need to do is blame the President and blame Police Unions as the convenient scapegoat as to why you can’t change anything at the local level...


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[pawnman]

No matter how woke you are, at some point the woke mob will turn on you.