COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[disgruntledemployee]

2 hours ago, FourFans said:

@pawnman @Pooter @Prozac @disgruntledemployee @nsplayr @Homestar @Snuggie @jazzdude

You all just got directly called out in the debrief.  Full accountability.  Care to defend, retract, alter or otherwise explain your stances?  Accountability is what we need and what most of you have preached.

Where? For what?

[disgruntledemployee]

Oh, this, "9th Circuit Court Concurred COVID-19 mRNA Injections Are NOT Legally Vaccines."

If you recollect in all the debate when the vax was coming out, I was never for mandate and quite curious in now "they" made em.  I never told you or anyone to get a vax.  Remember, I'm more Libertarian and love freedom.  My house, I was the only one and that was because I was forced to in order to keep my job.  We have a complicated history regarding shots.

As for the ruling, buckle up for corps and govt teaming up to flip this, because it's a shit ton of potential damages.  Next up, school vax mandates.

PS, J&J's vax was more traditional and not an mRNA.  Picking the biochemical method to fight a disease as a legal term for vaccine will be a fight too.

[bfargin]

On 6/7/2024 at 9:39 PM, tac airlifter said:

I can't believe that lying douchebag isn't in prison. He should be for what he did.

[busdriver]

On 6/11/2024 at 10:43 AM, disgruntledemployee said:

PS, J&J's vax was more traditional and not an mRNA.  Picking the biochemical method to fight a disease as a legal term for vaccine will be a fight too.

The headline of that article is dumb, and not what was ruled.  What the 9th circuit is actually saying is a blanket approval of all vaccine mandates is a misapplication of the Jacobson ruling.  Jacobson is predicated on a legitimate government interest in preventing the spread of a disease.  If a vaccine does not do that, then Jacobson doesn't apply.

So the biochemical method has nothing to do with it, nor does the "newness" of mRNA vaccines.

[Pooter]

On 6/11/2024 at 8:30 AM, FourFans said:

@pawnman @Pooter @Prozac @disgruntledemployee @nsplayr @Homestar @Snuggie @jazzdude

You all just got directly called out in the debrief.  Full accountability.  Care to defend, retract, alter or otherwise explain your stances?  Accountability is what we need and what most of you have preached.

I think my main stance was pretty consistent throughout:

mandates for civilians = bad

mandates for military = shut up and color

But for debrief purposes:

Knowing what we know now about efficacy, should it have been mandated? No. 
 

Do I think it was a horrible reckless medical experimentation campaign that subjected service members to huge risk? Also no. Virtually everyone I know got the first two jabs, and I know zero vaccine injured people. 
 

Did I take any boosters? Also no. I caught covid within 9 months of my 2 shots, reference the efficacy point above.

Last thing I’ll say is: a big frustration for me in this thread has been that you guys project every gripe you have with the government covid regime on a handful of us slightly dissenting voices, who actually agree with you on most of the big picture issues here. 
 

I also think the government seized on a crisis to try and take as much power as possible. I also think suppression of the lab leak was bullshit. I also think fauci has perjured himself numerous times and probably belongs in jail. I also think the lockdowns accomplished nothing and were a huge detriment to the economy and people’s mental health. 
 

I just think there’s an argument to be made for military mandates (in general), a lot of the objections were based on pretty weak BS, and the shot was never very risky. Still happy to debate those. 

Edited June 13, 2024 by Pooter

[BashiChuni]

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

[gearhog]

9 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

Unbelievable. The United States of America at the national level, is led entirely by assholes. It can't be saved. Only reset.

[gearhog]

The DOD Inspector General released a report regarding DoD funding to Chinese laboratories to enhance pathogens with pandemic potential.

https://www.dodig.mil/reports.html/Article/3811820/management-advisory-review-of-dod-funds-provided-to-the-peoples-republic-of-chi/

DoD organizations did not have visibility of subaward information throughout the life of contracts and grants. In addition, except for the CDMRP electronic grants system, DoD organizations could not effectively search award systems to identify all contracts, subcontracts, grants, and subgrants that may have been related to pathogen research performed by China and other foreign countries. As a result, DoD organizations could not produce a complete population of pathogen research grants and subawards necessary for us to conclude on the use of DoD funds provided for pathogen research.

 

[ClearedHot]

On 6/13/2024 at 1:31 PM, Pooter said:

I think my main stance was pretty consistent throughout:

mandates for civilians = bad

mandates for military = shut up and color

But for debrief purposes:

Knowing what we know now about efficacy, should it have been mandated? No. 
 

Do I think it was a horrible reckless medical experimentation campaign that subjected service members to huge risk? Also no. Virtually everyone I know got the first two jabs, and I know zero vaccine injured people. 
 

Did I take any boosters? Also no. I caught covid within 9 months of my 2 shots, reference the efficacy point above.

Last thing I’ll say is: a big frustration for me in this thread has been that you guys project every gripe you have with the government covid regime on a handful of us slightly dissenting voices, who actually agree with you on most of the big picture issues here. 
 

I also think the government seized on a crisis to try and take as much power as possible. I also think suppression of the lab leak was bullshit. I also think fauci has perjured himself numerous times and probably belongs in jail. I also think the lockdowns accomplished nothing and were a huge detriment to the economy and people’s mental health. 
 

I just think there’s an argument to be made for military mandates (in general), a lot of the objections were based on pretty weak BS, and the shot was never very risky. Still happy to debate those. 

Agree with some of what you said (especially about Fauci), but I take great execption to the "shut up and color" for the military part.  While you surrender many of your civil rights when you take the oath, becoming a guinea pig is not in the fine print.  Under the blanket of military readiness this mandate was employed and the science was not settled (as a lot of voices tried to say but were silenced).  When you peel back the facts it was just as flawed as other times when this happened:

1.   Secret World War II Chemical Experiments Tested Troops By Race.

2.  Veterans Used In Secret Experiments Sue Military For Answers

3.  Forcing troops to sit in exposure zones during nuclear testing.

4.  Edgewood Arsenal human experiments

5.  LSD experiments by the United States Army

Through the years under the banner of "military readiness"  US troops have been purposely exposed to radiation, chemical weapons, biological weapons and have been given LSD, simply unsat in a free society.

 

[HeyEng]

On 6/14/2024 at 8:15 PM, gearhog said:

Unbelievable. The United States of America at the national level, is led entirely by assholes. It can't be saved. Only reset.

More information on the psyops campaign against the Sinovax.

Facebook actually found out about the disinformation campaign and complained to the Pentagon about it since it fostered vaccine hesitancy but the Pentagon promised that it was only directed against China even though many people suffered in the Philippines and the Middle East.

These countries would have gotten the Sinovax for free but instead were coerced into buying the Pfizer vaccine.

 

[TreeA10]

Article on Fauci, COVID, and big pharma.

https://tomklingenstein.com/fauci-was-just-a-symptom/

 

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, TreeA10 said:

Article on Fauci, COVID, and big pharma.

https://tomklingenstein.com/fauci-was-just-a-symptom/

 

Good article, thanks for posting.  Fauci should be in prison.  It wouldn't fix much now, but it would start turning the government towards accountability.

[Biff_T]

Long live COVID!!!!  

 

[ClearedHot]

 

[BashiChuni]

TRUST THE SCIENCE 

[FourFans]

When a doctor tells him to wear one, he'll wear one. 

***whisper*** he doesn't interact with any real doctors

Edited July 19, 2024 by FourFans

[ClearedHot]

I know Geary from a few ops down range and some interactions around the staff. I heard the negative stories when he left command and had no idea what really happened, figured he was just a toxic leader, crazy what he had to deal with.  COVID Vaccine on day one of BUDS and you wonder why 100 people quit within 72 hours...Fing Crazy.

 

[uhhello]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I know Geary from a few ops down range and some interactions around the staff. I heard the negative stories when he left command and had no idea what really happened, figured he was just a toxic leader, crazy what he had to deal with.  COVID Vaccine on day one of BUDS and you wonder why 100 people quit within 72 hours...Fing Crazy.

 

Whole episode was pretty crazy

[herkbum]

I finished this interview this morning, it’s almost 6 hrs. The dude appears to have his shit together. Also, really impressive how he lays out his argument and builds his case.


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[Sim]

so.... 

 

https://oversight.house.gov/release/final-report-covid-select-concludes-2-year-investigation-issues-500-page-final-report-on-lessons-learned-and-the-path-forward/

Quick summary by Grok

Quote

Here's a quick summary of the final report from the U.S. House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic titled "After Action Review of the COVID-19 Pandemic: The Lessons Learned and a Path Forward":

 

Origins: The report concludes that the virus likely emerged from a laboratory or research-related incident in Wuhan, China. It criticizes the suppression of the lab-leak theory.

Public Health Measures: The effectiveness of common mitigation measures like social distancing and mask mandates is questioned, with the report suggesting they were not based on hard science. It also notes that prolonged lockdowns caused significant harm, particularly to younger populations.

Vaccine Mandates: The report critiques the implementation of vaccine mandates, arguing they were enforced without sufficient evidence or regard for natural immunity.

Government Response: There's criticism of the federal government's preparation, response, and the oversight of relief funds. It highlights issues with transparency and accountability in public health leadership.

Recommendations: The report serves as a roadmap for future pandemics, suggesting improvements in areas like transparency, scientific research funding, and response strategies.

Miscellaneous: It discusses the impact of the response on mental health, education, and the economy, highlighting negative long-term effects from school closures and other restrictions.

 

This summary touches on the key points as presented by the committee, which is predominantly Republican-led, thus reflecting a particular perspective on the events and responses to the COVID-19 crisis

 

[arg]

Cough cough  Who knew? cough cough

https://www.sott.net/article/433792-Does-nicotine-protect-from-Covid-19-Smokers-seem-less-likely-than-non-smokers-to-become-seriously-ill-from-the-virus

[arg]

The prez said he's going to pull funding for Faucis security detail.

 went something like this...
"he made a lot of money, they all made a lot of money, he can afford it"

[BashiChuni]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/25/us/politics/cia-covid-lab-leak.html

 

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid’s Origins

[BashiChuni]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE JUST ANOTHER COINCIDENCE!

[gearhog]

55 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

NOTHING TO SEE HERE JUST ANOTHER COINCIDENCE!

I always like to see the source documents for these types of charts.

Proof that the above agencies funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Ben Hu, the scientist working in the lab and identified as "Patient Zero", was obtained via a FOIA request.

Interestingly, Fauci's pardon (found here) is backdated to 2014, the same year the funding for the research began.

Documents here:

https://blog.whitecoatwaste.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/wuhan-patient-zero_chmura-gima-correspondence.pdf

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Edited February 5 by gearhog