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[17D_guy]

Just now, disgruntledemployee said:

To those saying the screenshots are a nothingburger, do you want the reporter to release all the screenshots of what it thought to be quite classified info, to satisfy your opinion that is was bad to have such discussions on an unclass system?

Ah fuck it, the Chiners/Ruskies already have it, might as well tell the rest of the world.  I mean the texts aren't marked S, TS or anything.

That's exactly what they want, otherwise it's all a TDS deranged journalist. The article clearly said the author was not releasing information because it would put intel & other operations at risk, but I guess that needs to be put out as well.

The bias to believe what you want to believe is always strong.

[Sua Sponte]

Base security manager just sent out this email:

“To confirm, Signal is not approved for CUI, OPSEC, or classified and would never be approved because it is not government owned or operated.”

[disgruntledemployee]

Odds that NSA Waltz get a pink slip/mean tweet firing by Friday: 50/50?

[Flev]

Trump just stated the journalist was added to the chat by a Waltz staffer. The plot thickens.

On the bright side, this incident may finally push units and command teams to use DOD-approved messaging apps instead of the cowboy stuff we've been seeing.

[HeloDude]

I think if it was gross negligence, then yes, someone should be fired…and if it’s Waltz, then so be it.  But let’s not pretend the Democrats suddenly care about this security stuff.  Two things can be true at the same time.

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said:

To those saying the screenshots are a nothingburger, do you want the reporter to release all the screenshots of what it thought to be quite classified info, to satisfy your opinion that is was bad to have such discussions on an unclass system?

Ah fuck it, the Chiners/Ruskies already have it, might as well tell the rest of the world.  I mean the texts aren't marked S, TS or anything.

Did you watch the testimony this morning?  Signal was installed on their computers/phones one day one of the job by the GOVERNMENT.  I am certain that came with usage restrictions but still!

From an intel perspective the material was not classified, but they drew two very fine distinctions:

1.  They CIA/FBI/DNI were not the arbitrator of DoD classified and referred questions to DoD - valid.

2.  SECDEF is the declassification source for DoD material (I did not know that).

In my mind a crap argument to assert SECDEF can declassify simply by sending...I hope that is not what they are going to argue.

Bottomline - if the material was not classified as asserted, publish it for all to see...sunshine is the best disinfectant.  If it was classified, do not publish and hold those responsible accountable.  Not hard to say unless you are democrat talking about Hillary's private server and 33,000 emails.

[uhhello]

It would be refreshing to see them say 'we fucked up, shouldn't have happened.  Here is what we're doing to prevent it in the future'.  The flip flopping of all these admins suddenly caring about security when it suits their side is nauseating.  

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

To those saying the screenshots are a nothingburger, do you want the reporter to release all the screenshots of what it thought to be quite classified info, to satisfy your opinion that is was bad to have such discussions on an unclass system?

Yes, that's what I want.  The assertion is these were war plans for strikes that have already happened.  If that's true there is no OPSEC issue with releasing them, and it would convince me to advocate for punishment.  "Trust me, it's very secret and they should resign" is insufficient from the same person who pushed the Russian collusion hoax.

That said, adding a reporter to your principal chat group is laughably stupid & incompetent.  If Waltz did it, regardless of whether secrets were discussed, he should be fired.

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, Flev said:

Trump just stated the journalist was added to the chat by a Waltz staffer. The plot thickens.

On the bright side, this incident may finally push units and command teams to use DOD-approved messaging apps instead of the cowboy stuff we've been seeing.

Stop trying to make WICKR happen!  I'll never log into Teams!

[Banzai]

9 hours ago, brabus said:

So he posted an ATO on Signal to a journalist? Cool, go with evidence. I’m 100% open to anything being possible and am not at all saying said level of evidence couldn’t possibly surface in the future, I’m just saying it hasn’t as of now (that I’ve seen anyways, happy to take any and all point outs). I make zero judgments or opinions on this topic as of right meow, just stating there is a lot of hyperbolic reaction from the political opposition without supporting evidence. 

LOL. Yeah, the Atlantic and this “journalist” are totally credible. Maybe they get something correct this time, but also maybe they don’t and it’s completely blown out of proportion for political reasons, which is their historic MO.

 

You’re being intentionally dense. The reporter knew timing and location of when strikes were happening within 15 minutes of TTI. He knew this more than 2 hours before the strikes.

[Lawman]

Stop trying to make WICKR happen!  I'll never log into Teams!

Wickr won’t happen because, “it costs money.”

Its a BS excuse when we’re paying registry keys for every other major software or app we use, but it was the exact reason given when we discussed making a transition off signal to it.

My favorite thing about Wickr was the massive files it would let you push through it.

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[tac airlifter]

3 minutes ago, Banzai said:

You’re being intentionally dense. The reporter knew timing and location of when strikes were happening within 15 minutes of TTI. He knew this more than 2 hours before the strikes.

Other than the claim from a compromised reporter with a history of pushing false narratives, do you have any proof of this claim?

If it's true it should be easy to produce a screen shot.

[Banzai]

41 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Other than the claim from a compromised reporter with a history of pushing false narratives, do you have any proof of this claim?

If it's true it should be easy to produce a screen shot.

I just want to confirm you stance. Do you believe that these screenshots are fake?

Followed by

 

Or do you believe those are true?

What do you think about the national security council saying they appear to be authentic?

If you believe they are true then is your belief that in between these texts in this text chain they did not share information on the strikes - and that was entirely fabricated? 

Do you think it’s possible that the reporter is being truthful in intentionally not sharing what he thinks is classified information? 

If it is true, do you think he should openly share what he believes is classified information? Or do you think if he believes that it is classified that he should not put it out there?

Is your stance that, although much of what was stated by the reporter is backed up by verifiable evidence, that this portion of his article is fake news?

If so, what makes you think that?

Edited March 25 by Banzai

[Banzai]

How about this, let’s take a hypothetical stance that there is totally not enough evidence to believe this is anything other than a fake news smear job.

If it comes out as true - which the truth will come out when the reporter is called to testify - will you oppose and denounce the actions taken if targets and timing and/or other classified information were shared?

Edited March 25 by Banzai

[tac airlifter]

that's a lot of questions bro, I'll try to engage:

Your screenshots are real, and principals have said so.  However those screenshots do not show any secret war plans and I see nothing inappropriate about them (other than the bone headed move to add the wrong person).  The troubling claim is that within the same text chain secret information on operational details was shared, but the journalist was too patriotic to release that info.  Instead we should trust him, and the principals should resign.  DNI refuted that assertion under oath today, and the journalist himself has a history of pushing debunked Russian collusion claims in the past.

If proof exists that these principals were discussing secret operational details on an unclassified system, fire them at a minimum.  I think that covers the gist of your questions without answering each one line by line. 
 

curious what is meant by "secret war plans" considering the journalist making the claim has never seen secret war plans.  I have, and I've seen unclass principal level discussion of messaging sync after tactical strikes.  The legal distinction making something secret is if release could reasonably be suspected to cause damage to national security.  So, let's see it then decide.

[brickhistory]

Covid lab leak

Russia collusion

Hunter laptop

etc, etc, etc

Perhaps there's reason to be skeptical

[HeloDude]

22 minutes ago, Banzai said:

How about this, let’s take a hypothetical stance that there is totally not enough evidence to believe this is anything other than a fake news smear job.

If it comes out as true - which the truth will come out when the reporter is called to testify - will you oppose and denounce the actions taken if targets and timing and/or other classified information were shared?

Do you believe Tulsi Gabbard when she said that nothing classified was shared in the texts?

[Banzai]

20 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Do you believe Tulsi Gabbard when she said that nothing classified was shared in the texts?

I do not remember and do not recall.

 

[HeloDude]

2 minutes ago, Banzai said:

I do not remember and do not recall.

Simple question, do you believe Tulsi wrt her quote below:

 “I can attest to the fact that there were not classified or intelligence equities that were included in that chat group at any time.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna197954

[Banzai]

I do not recall the definition of classified information.

But I am glad that she said that there was no classified information. I look forward to having the SSCI validate her statement and reassure the public.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5212821-atlantic-editor-suggests-hes-open-to-sharing-hegseths-full-war-plans-texts-publicly/

Edited March 25 by Banzai

[brickhistory]

14 minutes ago, Banzai said:

I do not recall the definition of classified information.

 

Dafuq?

I admit I was not looking for the bridge, so that's on me...

[uhhello]

This seems really easy to get to the bottom of.  Reporter officially turns over the screen shots if he hasn't already done so.  Govt confirms that operational plans yet to happen were in them or they weren't.  Longer it goes the longer it's likely its being blown out of proportion or was done intentionally.  

Disregard the tweet wording.  Just watch the video.  

 

Edited March 25 by uhhello

[ClearedHot]

Ungood!

[Flev]

Yikes.

[SHFP]

Mission was a success.  And through out the Vietnam War,  the French, bitter from their defeat there because we did not give any assistance to them holding their Colonies in SEA did everything to get back at the US.  Their Embassy in North Vietnam shared our Target(s) Strike Packages to the NVA.  Several friends were lost or ended in the Hilton. And I still believe “Bombs on Target, the rest is BS”.