ClearedHot Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 There are no words...simply unreal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 These kids were brand new sophomores, that just spent the last year having every second of their lives dictated to them. I doubt they knew about the ADC, IG or what their rights were in USAFA let alone the AF judicial system if you had walked up to them them on the Terrazzo and ask them about it, let alone in an interrogation room with an OSI agent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 There are no words...simply unreal. The real question is: Will this be addressed? Or will it be like all the other government scandals in which the senior officials will say, "we're concerned and are looking into it", only to to never hear much of the issue ever again? Don't worry...the Air Force has got your back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Soooo glad I didn't go to the Academy. Though ERAU had it's own little eccentricities. About the article: I can't believe this crap happens... Its just illustrates the caliber of individual allowed in positions these days I suppose, though I don't have much experience in the CAF yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetter Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 OSI needs more oversight. Totally unacceptable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The real question is: Will this be addressed? Or will it be like all the other government scandals in which the senior officials will say, "we're concerned and are looking into it", only to to never hear much of the issue ever again? It will be, it has to be now that Congress is digging and sadly, it will be yet another distraction that keeps Welsh from taking a major league swing at some of the real shit we want him to fix. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 So, things ended badly for those who deceived their friends and chain of command. There is a lesson in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalMother Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 OSI needs more oversight. Totally unacceptable. OSI needs to be disbanded completely. I've had the misfortune of dealing with them (both directly and indirectly) on several occasions. That community is absolutely vile. If this article has any shred of veracity I hope it motivates some significant changes. If nothing else, maybe it will serve as a warning to others whose paths may cross with this group of malfeasant thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy pilgrim Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Maybe it's time to bring back SERE at USAFA?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainerModel Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Big picture, nothing will happen. They never do, not there, wayyy too much brass involved for anything to change. My junior year a girl who was successfully found guilty of an honor violation (it was her second violation and second time with a guilty verdict) was recommended for dis-enrollment, which in 99.99% of cases means you're gone...unless your daddy is a general. So this chicks dad is a general, forgot the number of stars, and she was personally retained by the commandant of cadets, a former KCVS Wing/CC, who decided to reverse the boards decision. I will say this kids story sounds ed up, mostly OSI's handling of things, however, it usually takes a lot more than sneaking off campus to get kicked out. However, I'm sure there is more info about his circumstances the former cadet didn't offer up in this story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 This quote from the article sums it all up; not just in terms of this idiocy at USAFA, but the current climate in Big Blue. While the informant program has resulted in prosecutions, it also creates a fundamental rift between the culture of honesty and trust the academy drills into cadets and another one of duplicity and betrayal that the Air Force clandestinely deploys to root out misconduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The real question is: Will this be addressed? Or will it be like all the other government scandals in which the senior officials will say, "we're concerned and are looking into it", only to to never hear much of the issue ever again? Don't worry...the Air Force has got your back. More witch hunts, this time for any references to drugs and drug culture in the squadron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 As much as I hate to perpetuate the division of the athlete vs. normal cadet, there is something to be said of the potential decrease in quality of cadet that comes from trying to win NCAA games. This link from the Denver Post reports on discussions at USAFA on making it a 5 year college for some cases. It's easy to read between the lines and see that they are talking about athletes, otherwise they wouldn't have interviewed the AD or football coach. So many things at that place revolve around athletics. The place now has three gyms, one for normal cadets, one for intercollegiates, and a separate one for football players. If they would donate the money to support actual military training (shooting, field craft, flying training) then the cynicism and suck factor of that place would decrease by 69%. Football makes money and it's all that the leadership sees. The physical, fiscal, and time requirements to be a NCAA D-1 football athlete are so high now that the service academies should not be investing the amount of time or money in. Devote it to the other 70% of cadets and make it a better institution, not a better show of ESPN Ocho. Rant off I would love to see the service academies play D-III sports. Then you funnel all the football money into the soaring/wings of blue programs. One argument I've consistently heard for sports programs is recruiting-just imagine what having more jump teams would do for recruiting if you had a team jump into the MI vs Ohio state game in front of 110k people. You know-it might help us recruit people who want to fly and do shit the AF does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Noonin Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 just imagine what having more jump teams would do for recruiting if you had a team jump into the MI vs Ohio state game in front of 110k people. You know-it might help us recruit people who want to fly and do shit the AF does. We do a lot of parachuting in the AF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I would love to see the service academies play D-III sports. Then you funnel all the football money into the soaring/wings of blue programs. One argument I've consistently heard for sports programs is recruiting-just imagine what having more jump teams would do for recruiting if you had a team jump into the MI vs Ohio state game in front of 110k people. You know-it might help us recruit people who want to fly and do shit the AF does. Right...because the majority of the Air Force jumps out of planes. "Do shit the AF does" = recruiting people that won't know their own regs, thereby forcing more work upon aircrew, are stupid & lazy, and know there are no repercussions for ing things up? I don't think the AF needs to jump into football games to acquire that kind of talent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewskis Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I know 3 OSI agents between my commissioning source and ASBC. Of those three, one was generally a good dude and a solid bro (at least at the time). The other two, however, couldn't wait to be 'elite' , 'make some arrests' or "ruin some careers" (that last one was seriously a direct quote). They really seemed to just crave authority and power over others. My guess is that this is probably representative of the entire department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) To the program, the rats, and the cover up. Edited December 2, 2013 by Vertigo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputnik Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Warrior, I think we all know budgeting is a strange animal, but sports receive very little govt funding. Football is one of the few sports that actually pays for itself. It also pays the bills for nearly every other team here. Pushing football back to D-III won't free up any money, it'll just disappear. As will most of the other sports teams here. I'm sure there's another side to the story specific to this kid. But I can't imagine it'll make OSI look any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe1234 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Or, just get rid of that shithole altogether. Reiterating this suggestion because it seems like the best choice. But then again, if you choose to go to a place like USAFA, you reap what you sow. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputnik Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Reiterating this suggestion because it seems like the best choice. But then again, if you choose to go to a place like USAFA, you reap what you sow. Confused who is doing the reaping and who is doing the sowing in your statement. And wtf farming has to do with this. Don't want to ruin anyone's chance to bag on the academy, but was your takeaway from reading the article really that the academy has a problem? Or is there a problem with OSI? Cause if it's the latter, it's still going to exist even if you nuke the Academy tomorrow. Edited December 2, 2013 by sputnik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe1234 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm saying that attending that place like that involves putting yourself at the mercy of PC witch hunts, snitches, and narcs to a much greater degree than one who attends a civilian school. But it's worth it to some people. Hence, you reap what you sow. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm saying that attending that place like that involves putting yourself at the mercy of PC witch hunts, snitches, and narcs to a much greater degree than one who attends a civilian school. But it's worth it to some people. Hence, you reap what you sow. Like these bright-eyed kids know that when they decide to attend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbush Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Like these bright-eyed kids know that when they decide to attend. It was indeed a much different place than what I had expected, personally, and usually not in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokke Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Don't want to ruin anyone's chance to bag on the academy, but was your takeaway from reading the article really that the academy has a problem? Or is there a problem with OSI? I'm trying to figure out why people are saying ASU, FSU, UW etc are a better option. My takeaway from reading the article is that Animal House could be filmed at USAFA if they ever want to film it again. Good times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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