pbar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 We seem to have extras...any takers? http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/australia-looks-overseas-for-defence-staff-20111227-1par2.html The Australian Defence Force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill recruitment quotas. Australia is reportedly looking for defence specialists, such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering fast-tracked citizenship as an incentive, The Australian reported on Tuesday. According to the newspaper the Royal Australian Navy has sent a delegation to Britain to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, were available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Uh, how does any of this work with security clearances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelzUp Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Uh, how does any of this work with security clearances? Get out of the US military.....go to work for the RAAF........and don't talk about fight club. Valid point, but I'm not sure it would be a show stopper. Sounds like an interesting deal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 "Offering fast-tracked citizenship as an incentive" Can you hold a dual US and Australian citizenship or would you have to renounce your US citizenship? Interesting scenario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 How about bomber WSOs...do they need any of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitts2112 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Tank, Dual citizenship is allowed, has been since the 80s. I hold both US and UK and didn't have to do anything with my US citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loach Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Actually dual citizenship is something that is allowed in most cases, although is officially discouraged by the US Gov't. You may retain your US Citizenship if another country automatically grants you their citizenship (i.e. you marry a foreign national and that country automatcially bestows citizenship to spouses of citizens, or your parents are citizens of another country but reside in the us, such as LPR's and when born their country automatically recognizes you as a citizen of their country as does the US through jus soli (having been born on US Soil -- in most cases, as there are exceptions to that as well)). However, if you actively apply for foreign citizenship voluntarily, the US Gov't considers that person to have given up their US Citizenship. So, taking a position such as this could cause one to lose their US Citizenship. The only people who really face a difficult time about coming back to the US after revoking their US Citizenship are those who renounce soley to avoid taxes and military service. This is all based on my experience working for US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and CBP -- my current employer when I'm not soaking up all the MPA days I can (such as now)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky60k Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Perhaps it's just an incentive and not necessarily a requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db84 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I thought there was some restriction on having a active security clearance and having a passport from another country. Anybody know about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thought there was a prohibition about serving in the armed forces of another nation and US citizenship. This is as close a reference as I could find. http://www.travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html Fed Federal statutes long in force prohibit certain aspects of foreign military service originating within the United States. The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S. , 163 U.S. 632 (1896), the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a crime under U.S. law for an individual to go abroad for the purpose of enlisting in a foreign army; however, when someone has been recruited or hired in he United States, a violation may have occurred. The prosecution of persons who have violated 18 U.S.C. 958-960 is the responsibility of the Department of Justice. Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer. The site goes on to say that serving elsewhere was an auto loss of citizenship until 1967, blah, blah, blah, that requires the individual to take positive action in renounching US citizenship. As I read it, you can enlist, but not accept a commission (kinda makes sense to me). Get a smart lawyer if this is for you and you want to keep US citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetter Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Caveat. You must have a Master's Degree. Doesn't matter what it is in, just check the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Here's the official Australian Defence Force website with more info... Overseas Applicants Specifically for the RAAF.... Overseas Applicants: Air Force But since Australia has some of the strictest gun laws in the developed world (ever since a gunman in Port Arthur killed 35 people in 1996)... Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a licence, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense ...I'm out. Cheers! M2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I thought there was some restriction on having a active security clearance and having a passport from another country. Anybody know about this? There is...depending on your clearance. Usually if you have a dual citizenship, you have to drop the other one in order to obtain above a secret clearance. This deal is probably a one way door...if you move to Aussie land and fly for them in this kind of deal (i.e. not a USAF exchange), give up US citizenship, etc. I almost guarantee you're fight club days are over forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAMInated Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Flying in a country that is not 'Murica >= sitting in a shipping container full of computers and punching yourself in the sack in 'Murica. Discuss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Flying in a western english-speaking US-ally country that is not 'Murica >= sitting in a shipping container full of computers and punching yourself in the sack in 'Murica. Discuss. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CAVEMAN Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 The whole clearance piece makes this interesting. Both countries have active exchange programs, so make for interesting scenario. I will not be surprised if you are restricted to particular airframes/programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJu Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Read in a different article that the Aussies would let clearances transfer over. Of course not sure what effect this would have if you went to get a clearance again in the US later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HercDude Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I'll go: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 America has had a history of our citizens serving in foreign militaries. Lafayette Escadrille in France in WW1 and the Eagle Squadrons in Great Britain in WW2 come to mind. Though I'm sure any "Neutrality Act" issues were easily overlooked given the popular sentiment of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeA10 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 America has had a history of our citizens serving in foreign militaries. Lafayette Escadrille in France in WW1 and the Eagle Squadrons in Great Britain in WW2 come to mind. Though I'm sure any "Neutrality Act" issues were easily overlooked given the popular sentiment of the time. Great book called Spitfires, Thunderbolts, and Warm Beer covered the process of the UK recruiting in the US, getting the pilots into Canada for training, and then to the UK. The pilot in this book flew for the RAF before the Eagle Squadrons, then in the Eagle Squadrons, and then in the 8th AF. I wonder if the Australia would hired a retired guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I wonder if the Australia would hired a retired guy? Let me know what you find out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Let me know what you find out... 2nd career change already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 It depends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 If anyone gets a slot 3 or more years from now, let me know. The wife and I are moving back to Sydney in that timeframe. I'll buy you a schooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CAVEMAN Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I might be pitching a contract alternative to the Aussies. It is a win-win for everyone. All those on the fence would feel about the whole arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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