What's wrong with the Air Force?

[hindsight2020]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

This bullshit:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-major-ongoing-war-soldiers-212009976.html

 

yup, the self-licking ice cream cone. To say nothing of the antagonism against ARC members who seek to prioritize homesteading in their career choices, as somehow not worthy of carrying the cost of keeping us "uniformed". If I had a quarter for everytime I've heard "if your billet is non-deployed, you shouldn't wear green". Basically the deployable/non-free agent True Scots fallacy of who deserves the benefits of 20 years of military service. Talk about penny wise pounds foolish. Of course *ART has entered the chat* *IMA has entered the chat* *RMP/Cat E has entered the chat*.

In fairness, most of the vitriol on that front have come from Army types. An especially caustic organization from a cultural perspective if I may say so, given my limited (largely CONUS) interactions with said types.

 

[FLEA]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/04/16/airman-charged-in-pentagon-intel-leak-regretted-joining-the-military/

 

Headline: Airman charged in Pentagon intel leak regretted joining the military

 

LMAO.... Everyone on the amn/nco/SNCOs Facebook page about to get an investigation. 

[ClearedHot]

To help fix the retention problem we lowered our standards...so we got that going for us.

According to three separate professional staffers I recently spoke with, applicants to U.S. service academies are down 70% with the vaccine requirement and DEI being cited as the number 1 and 2 issues.

 

[cragspider]

42 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

To help fix the retention problem we lowered our standards...so we got that going for us.

According to three separate professional staffers I recently spoke with, applicants to U.S. service academies are down 70% with the vaccine requirement and DEI being cited as the number 1 and 2 issues.

 

When are they going to figure out this issue and correct it? Oh maybe go like the navy with this tactic? 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/us-navy-platformed-drag-queen-influencer-attract-youth-military-hiring-crisis

[HossHarris]

Vax is no longer required for usafa. Get your apps in!

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, HossHarris said:

Vax is no longer required for usafa. Get your apps in!

there is still A LOT of crow to be eaten from the vax enthusiasts on this site...

[ClearedHot]

31 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

there is still A LOT of crow to be eaten from the vax enthusiasts on this site...

 

2 hours ago, HossHarris said:

Vax is no longer required for usafa. Get your apps in!

Exactly...and there is still the perception.  A lot of damage was done. 

[Biff_T]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

To help fix the retention problem we lowered our standards...so we got that going for us.

According to three separate professional staffers I recently spoke with, applicants to U.S. service academies are down 70% with the vaccine requirement and DEI being cited as the number 1 and 2 issues.

 

But the slides are green?  Where's the problem?  Lol.  

 

Edit.  When I flew, I remember looking to the left and right of me and not seeing a bunch of green haired lady men.  Also, I remember seeing terrorists,  they were burning lol.  

Edited May 3, 2023 by Biff_T
Afterthought

[Shakermaker]

1 hour ago, Biff_T said:

But the slides are green?  Where's the problem?  Lol.  

 

Edit.  When I flew, I remember looking to the left and right of me and not seeing a bunch of green haired lady men.  Also, I remember seeing terrorists,  they were burning lol.  

Everyone's the same color under IR

[Biff_T]

Just now, Shakermaker said:

Everyone's the same color under IR

Lol. Is that kinda like its all pink on the inside?  

I did fly on NVGs quite a bit.  I guess everyone had green hair after EECT. 

[mcbush]

11 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

To help fix the retention problem we lowered our standards...so we got that going for us.

According to three separate professional staffers I recently spoke with, applicants to U.S. service academies are down 70% with the vaccine requirement and DEI being cited as the number 1 and 2 issues.

The data being put out there by the service academies doesn't support a 70% dip. Looks like applications bounced back this year to basically pre-COVID levels. No comment on the reasons.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/01/10/applications-air-force-academy-bounce-back-after-plummeting-during-pandemic.html

[BashiChuni]

7 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

 

Exactly...and there is still the perception.  A lot of damage was done. 

just started reading "The Real Anthony Fauci"...

that dude and his cronies need to be in JAIL

[Blue]

12 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

According to three separate professional staffers I recently spoke with, applicants to U.S. service academies are down 70% with the vaccine requirement and DEI being cited as the number 1 and 2 issues.

 

52 minutes ago, mcbush said:

The data being put out there by the service academies doesn't support a 70% dip. Looks like applications bounced back this year to basically pre-COVID levels. No comment on the reasons.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/01/10/applications-air-force-academy-bounce-back-after-plummeting-during-pandemic.html

I wouldn't unequivocally trust the service academies to put out accurate data on number of applications and number of selections.  The Naval Academy has been shown in the past to inflate their numbers; I assume the other academies have done the same.

That said, "down 70%" is an incredible number if accurate.

[ClearedHot]

2 hours ago, mcbush said:

The data being put out there by the service academies doesn't support a 70% dip. Looks like applications bounced back this year to basically pre-COVID levels. No comment on the reasons.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/01/10/applications-air-force-academy-bounce-back-after-plummeting-during-pandemic.html

I don't know that these numbers rectify with what the staffers were saying.  I think they were expressing the number who had contacted their Congressman and Senators expressing interest in the service academies was down 70%.  I think these numbers show those that actually applied.  They also mentioned that number was geographically oriented with the largest decline in the south which is where the majority of service members come from (40%).  

[Pooter]

12 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

there is still A LOT of crow to be eaten from the vax enthusiasts on this site...

I don't think most of us who you would call "vax enthusiasts" were going "rah rah mandates are amazing, get your 69th booster or we're all gonna die."

Can only speak personally but it was more of the sentiment that when you join the military you sign some of your autonomy away. They can literally order you to go die for your country. Last I checked that's bad for your health. So it's pretty silly to act surprised and upset when they make you get a shot.

Not to mention, the  "my body is a temple" argument doesn't hold much water when no one says shit about:

-the even sketchier anthrax shot

-the statistically unlikely to work yearly flu shots

-the malaria pills that cause lasting risk of birth defects

-the go and no go pills proven to cause dependency that are prescribed like candy to bump up mission durations stopgap the regular obliteration of your circadian rhythm

-the culture of concealing actual problems from doctors to preserve flying status 

So forgive me if it came across a bit like a political crusade.

But the fun part is now we all have the benefit of hindsight 20/20. We now know covid isn't particularly dangerous for unvaxxed healthy young people and we also know the vaxxed aren't dying in droves from some hypothetical late-onset side effect.  Turns out neither were that dangerous.

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Pooter

[Boomer6]

Ppl believe what they want to believe. These days that tends to fall in line with their political affiliation. However, if you’re a college educated individual and you think the medical community has a firm grasp on exactly what long lasting side effects may or may not occur from a vaccine developed in 18 months, then I’d say you’re either extremely naive, don’t have a background in any kind of science, or haven’t seen a commercial for a drug that’s been out for 10 years that they’re still finding causes certain side effects. If your counter is, “well most side effects occur in the first X months.” Scoff. Its a risk analysis based on time and the number of ppl in the sample size, and currently from my perspective the time aspect is a significant factor.

That aside, if the military wants me to get vaxxed, then make it mandatory and back that up with medical care for any long laying side effects. Prior to that don’t treat individuals as a pariah for waiting until the EUA is rescinded (like individuals on this board that are involved in ROTC..). The amount of ppl I saw get absolutely screwed by leadership for holding out while it was under EUA or that submitted exemptions is abhorrent. In 10 years if there are side effects for ppl that took the vax under EUA do you trust the DoD or the VA to take care of you, or do you expect them to show you the EUA fine print.

This pandemic has revealed the true colors of a shockingly large number of individuals in positions of authority in the DoD. Turns out if you punish ppl for not violating any regs they lose all respect for you and wouldn’t follow you into warm water.

[BashiChuni]

56 minutes ago, Pooter said:

But the fun part is now we all have the benefit of hindsight 20/20. We now know covid isn't particularly dangerous for unvaxxed healthy young people and we also know the vaxxed aren't dying in droves from some hypothetical late-onset side effect.  Turns out neither were that dangerous.

 

oh no you don't...we KNEW pretty early on that covid was statistically a non event for young, healthy people. and turns out Fauci and his buddies at Pfizer KNEW it didn't prevent the spread...we were told straight up lies and coerced into taking a shot that provides zero protection and is very harmful...latest numbers i heard were 1 in 800 have side effects. that is a very high number and this shot should NEVER have been MANDATED.

so don't give me this 20/20 bullshit....the warnings were being issued very early on but FUCKING CENSORED

[HuggyU2]

On 5/3/2023 at 9:53 PM, BashiChuni said:

... coerced into taking a shot

That's putting it lightly.  

[tac airlifter]

The Covid zealots are trying to pretend they weren’t total fucking psycho’s forcing harmful poison on us all.  Revisionist history will not work.  

[dream big]

https://dailycaller.com/2023/05/08/air-force-social-experiment-diversity-minority-discrimination/?fbclid=IwAR2LXwboQEr0kVJUllb6NT15t0X280vGW5rApZBSIWoHrCnfHoIZKZftqAA
 

As if Laughlin hasn’t been in enough controversy. 

[WheelsOff]

5 hours ago, dream big said:

https://dailycaller.com/2023/05/08/air-force-social-experiment-diversity-minority-discrimination/?fbclid=IwAR2LXwboQEr0kVJUllb6NT15t0X280vGW5rApZBSIWoHrCnfHoIZKZftqAA
 

As if Laughlin hasn’t been in enough controversy. 

Ah. More of Wills’ handiwork coming to light. Dude was a cancer to the UPT enterprise. So glad he’s gone!

Edited May 9, 2023 by WheelsOff

[Shakermaker]

51 minutes ago, WheelsOff said:

Ah. More of Wills’ handiwork coming to light. Dude was a cancer to the UPT enterprise. So glad he’s gone!

I have the memo signed by him somewhere in my Outlook that dictated minimum diversity numbers for each class that forced the registrar and myself to re-flow every class to meet the new standard.  Ironically all of the classes at the end of that FY were all white males because we didn't have anyone else left.

[WheelsOff]

58 minutes ago, Shakermaker said:

I have the memo signed by him somewhere in my Outlook that dictated minimum diversity numbers for each class that forced the registrar and myself to re-flow every class to meet the new standard.  Ironically all of the classes at the end of that FY were all white males because we didn't have anyone else left.

It’s disheartening to watch the minions take it in the rear all because some CC wants to advance the DoD’s latest flavor of the day agenda in hopes that it will advance their career; only to leave behind a swath of destruction that leaves the boys to pick up the broken pieces when they finally leave (while said CC skates into retirement and probably some cush contract job). 

…the story of the modern day military in a nutshell. 

[Clark Griswold]

It’s disheartening to watch the minions take it in the rear all because some CC wants to advance the DoD’s latest flavor of the day agenda in hopes that it will advance their career; only to leave behind a swath of destruction that leaves the boys to pick up the broken pieces when they finally leave (while said CC skates into retirement and probably some cush contract job). 

…the story of the modern day military in a nutshell. 

Yeah but cast no aspersions on them as it’s one thing to charge ahead as part of movement versus the lone guy who goes over the top gets taken out by the machine while his compatriots are still in the trenches waiting for the signal to all go over the top
Everything is all or nothing with the military and until there is a reasonable chance of change happening or a reversion to logic and sanity, biding your time but minimally complying with insane / immoral / questionably legal policies that the AF leadership is pushing is a viable morally acceptable COA
I’m getting short, I’ve seen cycles of moral panic and group think idiocy before, they eventually pass but leave a residue of cynicism, I just want those who are still in and pursuing a full career active or ARC to know this shit comes and goes and know that like an F-4 with a shit ton of thrust behind it it will fly, as long as Congress gives a shit ton of money the AF will continue to fly despite some of its leaders


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[WheelsOff]

3 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

Everything is all or nothing with the military and until there is a reasonable chance of change happening or a reversion to logic and sanity, biding your time but minimally complying with insane / immoral / questionably legal policies that the AF leadership is pushing is a viable morally acceptable COA
 

 

I get what you’re saying, but this is why we’ll never have nice things. 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by WheelsOff