What's wrong with the Air Force?

[pawnman]

12 hours ago, Lawman said:

Really?….

Given what we know about the first series Anthrax vaccines which were never FDA approved… or the malaria meds that caused brain damage… The fact the military was a major contributor to the opioid epidemic with how it was handed out as the simple solution.

You realize that the Go pill used to just be straight Aderol right? They changed the cocktail after the understanding of what Dex did to you expanded. You wanna go back a few decades ago you’ll find plenty of hindsight to justify some reservation that suddenly today the people at the department of no long lasting responsibility might just be phoning in another one.

****pauses to take a sip from the tap in housing *****

We’ve got a pretty decent set of historical lessons learned on why “shut up and take this pill” shouldn’t be the go to for a disease that had prior to the vaccine literally led to the death of tens of service members. We didn’t force our people to get the vax to protect them. We did it because we can’t move our people freely through global commitments with a whole host of countries requiring it as part of the access requirements. If leadership could come out and say that it would go a long way to actually making us believe they had our interest in their mind when they made the decision to force it. Instead it’s the typical “because I said so” justification, because science.


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Would love to see the lab you have setup in your garage to do independent food and drug safety testing. 

Sounds exhausting. 

[brabus]

1 minute ago, pawnman said:

Would love to see the lab you have setup in your garage to do independent food and drug safety testing. 

Sounds exhausting. 

The amount of blind faith you have in a large bureaucratic gov who repeatedly proves to not have your best interest in mind, and have no consequences even when caught, is astounding.

[pawnman]

38 minutes ago, brabus said:

The amount of blind faith you have in a large bureaucratic gov who repeatedly proves to not have your best interest in mind, and have no consequences even when caught, is astounding.

What do you do to ensure the safety of all the drugs and food in your house? 

I'm guessing you also depend on this bureaucracy. 

[GKinnear]

15 hours ago, Guardian said:

The General is back?!?!

I see the General, I downvote.  Keeps it simple.

[Lawman]

What do you do to ensure the safety of all the drugs and food in your house? 
I'm guessing you also depend on this bureaucracy. 

Like the VA, it’s what we’ve got to go with because it’s the only option provided by the benevolent bureaucracy.

That doesn’t mean you need to try and sell us in this fantasy you have they it is somehow infallible or doesn’t have a long demonstration of pissing it away across all sections of its mandate. We are facing a manpower shortage across the services and sticking to the draconian bottom line on this mandate is giving people a way out of enlistment contracts and deployments. But we can’t possibly go back on this because the boss said do it and 19-25 year olds are really the demographic that needed protection…

Again… you go explain to us how and why we all needed 6-9 Anthrax vaccines or how those big clouds of burning trash we all lived around weren’t a problem. I mean… the guy with Oak Leafs told us it was ok… so just ignore that smell of burning plastic and get back to work.


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[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

What do you do to ensure the safety of all the drugs and food in your house? 

I'm guessing you also depend on this bureaucracy. 

when the bureaucracy  is corrupt and partners with a company to push a MANDATORY vax that's when eyebrows raise. also when the head bureaucracy scientist (Fauci) REFUSES to list any kickbacks he may or may not have gotten from said company...things get weird.

when the bureaucracy openly censors scientists (by partnering with big tech) who disagree with what the bureaucracy claims is "true" then i call bull shit.

think pfizer has your BE$T intere$ts at heart?!?!

 

most normal drugs and foods in my house don't experience this level of obvious fuck fuck games.

[HuggyU2]

5 hours ago, pawnman said:

Would love to see the lab you have setup in your garage to do independent food and drug safety testing. 

Too bad the US Govt didn't have a lab to better investigate "a non-toxic defoliant". 
Military people were ordered to work with Agent Orange and deliver it. And they saluted smartly and did. 

But eventually, the negligence of the Govt became known. A lot of people got sick, a lot died, and a lot of taxpayer money was spent in the process. 

Just because the military CAN order something doesn't mean they should. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by HuggyU2

[ClearedHot]

3 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Too bad the US Govt didn't have a lab to better investigate "a non-toxic defoliant". 
Military people were ordered to work with Agent Orange and deliver it. And they saluted smartly and did. 

But eventually, the negligence of the Govt became known. A lot of people got sick, a lot died, and a lot of taxpayer money was spent in the process. 

Just because the military CAN order something doesn't mean they should. 

Huggy, PLEASE stop using logic!

[Guardian]

I have awoken him! I am chosen! Blessed be thy name! Chang is risen!
 
The best troll ever. If Bashi was your next act, you lost your touch. But I do respect the dedication

Does this mean Slackline is coming back next? He’s up there on the troll list.

[FourFans]

14 hours ago, Guardian said:

Does this mean Slackline is coming back next? He’s up there on the troll list.

Rainman just rolled over in his grave, hand reaching for a blunt object to throw...

[SocialD]

It's crazy that anyone who has been in the military more than 6-9 years, and who has taken part in the wars of the last two decades, has a blind acceptance of everything the government does.  

[FLEA]

3 hours ago, SocialD said:

It's crazy that anyone who has been in the military more than 6-9 years, and who has taken part in the wars of the last two decades, has a blind acceptance of everything the government does.  

Where I grew up they call people like that institutionalized.....

[HuggyU2]

5 hours ago, SocialD said:

It's crazy that anyone who has been in the military more than 6-9 years, and who has taken part in the wars of the last two decades, has a blind acceptance of everything the government does.  

☝️ ^^^^^ 👆 ^^^^^ ☝️ ^^^^^ 👆 ^^^^^☝️

Your one sentence sums it up.  

[Pooter]

I still fail to understand the mandate outrage from military members. The military can literally order you on an ALR-extreme suicide mission in some bullshit war halfway around the world. Of course they don't have your best interests at heart.  The military can mandate things about your fitness, alcohol consumption, drug use, grooming standards, and they can even put you in jail for things that are perfectly legal in the civilian world. 
 

And you signed up for it. No one made you. So if they need you to be vaxxed so the rotator doesnt get held up by a customs shitshow at your deployed location.. tough cookies.

Do I think the mandates did anything? No. Do I trust the government or big pharma? Also No. 

Do I think the vaccine risks are zero? Also no.

But the military mandated it for a multitude of reasons, some bad and some less bad.  And in the grand scheme of things a 84% increase in a 0.01% chance of maybe getting myocarditis doesn't even register on the scale of things that are actual health dangers.  Id believe the "my body is a temple" argument a lot more if it weren't for the bro-science pre-workout powder, twice-a-year cardio regimen, 7 shots at roll call, 3 monsters, and a pack of zyns per day.  Because I promise all of those things are far worse for your heart. 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Pooter

[ClearedHot]

[BFM this]

That...is the resilience the AF has been trying to develop in airmen. 

 

And can never seem to get right.

[BashiChuni]

On 10/11/2022 at 1:52 PM, Pooter said:

I still fail to understand the mandate outrage from military members. The military can literally order you on an ALR-extreme suicide mission in some bullshit war halfway around the world. Of course they don't have your best interests at heart.  The military can mandate things about your fitness, alcohol consumption, drug use, grooming standards, and they can even put you in jail for things that are perfectly legal in the civilian world. 
 

And you signed up for it. No one made you. So if they need you to be vaxxed so the rotator doesnt get held up by a customs shitshow at your deployed location.. tough cookies.

Do I think the mandates did anything? No. Do I trust the government or big pharma? Also No. 

Do I think the vaccine risks are zero? Also no.

But the military mandated it for a multitude of reasons, some bad and some less bad.  And in the grand scheme of things a 84% increase in a 0.01% chance of maybe getting myocarditis doesn't even register on the scale of things that are actual health dangers.  Id believe the "my body is a temple" argument a lot more if it weren't for the bro-science pre-workout powder, twice-a-year cardio regimen, 7 shots at roll call, 3 monsters, and a pack of zyns per day.  Because I promise all of those things are far worse for your heart. 

Now do it for ordinary American citizens. I’ll wait. 
 

[Prosuper]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

After 3 marriages it just becomes an expensive hobby.

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Now do it for ordinary American citizens. I’ll wait. 
 

Ordinary citizens aren't mandated to get the vaccine. 

[tac airlifter]

49 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Ordinary citizens aren't mandated to get the vaccine. 

Right.. unless they wanted to work a normal job, or travel to a big city, or visit their kids in school, or see their dying father in hospice, or take a cruise, or visit the doctor, or apply to college, etc.

Democrats mandated this ineffective vaccine and colluded with big tech to censor scientific questions.  I took it when ordered to and don’t like it but am not complaining; just like anthrax and all the other shit, it’s the cost of my chosen profession.  Copy.

 I am complaining about my wife being forced to take it or be fired from her teaching job, and I am complaining that the hospital wouldn’t let my unvaxed son visit his grandad one last time before I pulled life support.  Utter disgrace what was forced on this country, and disingenuous for anyone to pretend it wasn’t a democrat mandate.

ETA: it’s gotten better now, especially in FL.  But things went full retard for 2 years and democrats should be held accountable.

Edited October 14, 2022 by tac airlifter

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

Ordinary citizens aren't mandated to get the vaccine. 

Absolute HORSESHIT!

The government mandated all civilian employees get the vaccine.

The government mandated all employees of any company that has a government contract get the vaccine.

It is one thing to force military members to get an experimental vaccine in the name of national defense and readiness, quite another force civilians and loosely related contractors.  This was an enormous over-reach by some power hungry extremists.

[Lawman]

I still fail to understand the mandate outrage from military members. The military can literally order you on an ALR-extreme suicide mission in some bullshit war halfway around the world. Of course they don't have your best interests at heart.  The military can mandate things about your fitness, alcohol consumption, drug use, grooming standards, and they can even put you in jail for things that are perfectly legal in the civilian world. 
 
And you signed up for it. No one made you. So if they need you to be vaxxed so the rotator doesnt get held up by a customs shitshow at your deployed location.. tough cookies.
Do I think the mandates did anything? No. Do I trust the government or big pharma? Also No. 
Do I think the vaccine risks are zero? Also no.
But the military mandated it for a multitude of reasons, some bad and some less bad.  And in the grand scheme of things a 84% increase in a 0.01% chance of maybe getting myocarditis doesn't even register on the scale of things that are actual health dangers.  Id believe the "my body is a temple" argument a lot more if it weren't for the bro-science pre-workout powder, twice-a-year cardio regimen, 7 shots at roll call, 3 monsters, and a pack of zyns per day.  Because I promise all of those things are far worse for your heart. 

So…. Morale and the wiling support of your Sol… excuse me, Airmen isn’t just some farcical concept, it’s an expendable item no different than fuel, or parts on hand, etc.

The sooner leadership realizes that pissing away general moral for their own victories in “see I made an order and they followed it!” The better.

The military can absolutely order all of us to do a lot of things, some of them stupid/pointless and some of them even lethal in consequence. It could by the very construct of lawful orders also institute draconian curfews and restrict all the personnel to base/post if the leadership really wanted to. We saw a lot of that kind of dumb “I can do this so I will” kind of actions when you had divisional commanders make policy like no you can’t go to a restaurant regardless of vaccination because I said so. We are only know between bad ideas and cover their ass policies understanding that dumb ideas like that are a lousy hill to chose to die on in an organization that disbanded flogging and summery executions long ago so yeah in a lot of ways you issue orders and they obey an oath. That is because the expectation those issued orders are followed is a form of capital (ie morale and support) that is finite. Yes men and women will charge up that hill or go in that no fail mission where they aren’t likely to return without vocalizing questions or stopping, that’s the accepted standard we have between our leaders and their subordinate groups that have to follow them. But they do that because you DIDNT piss away that expendable capital on dumb shit like making people do something dumb thats reasoning is built on shaky justifications because it was the politically required thing to do.

Stop spending your finite resource to make your people do something just because you said so as a reason, and acknowledge it is finite. Or at the very least openly say to your people “yes this is dumb, but it’s mandated by the civilians that run this dog and pony show.” Don’t pretend it’s some secret science of risk mitigation that only people with stars understand. That’s as dumb as saying you will all write left handed now for your own safety and if you don’t there will be consequences.

[disgruntledemployee]

3 hours ago, pawnman said:

Ordinary citizens aren't mandated to get the vaccine. 

I was.  It was either get the shot or go unemployed. 

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Right.. unless they wanted to work a normal job, or travel to a big city, or visit their kids in school, or see their dying father in hospice, or take a cruise, or visit the doctor, or apply to college, etc.

Democrats mandated this ineffective vaccine and colluded with big tech to censor scientific questions.  I took it when ordered to and don’t like it but am not complaining; just like anthrax and all the other shit, it’s the cost of my chosen profession.  Copy.

 I am complaining about my wife being forced to take it or be fired from her teaching job, and I am complaining that the hospital wouldn’t let my unvaxed son visit his grandad one last time before I pulled life support.  Utter disgrace what was forced on this country, and disingenuous for anyone to pretend it wasn’t a democrat mandate.

ETA: it’s gotten better now, especially in FL.  But things went full retard for 2 years and democrats should be held accountable.

If they work for a company that requires vaccines, that's not a government mandate.  Same for hospitals - that's not a law, it's a hospital policy.

[tac airlifter]

3 minutes ago, pawnman said:

If they work for a company that requires vaccines, that's not a government mandate.  Same for hospitals - that's not a law, it's a hospital policy.

Except the government leaned on those companies to act that way. Just like the government curtailed free-speech by leaning on social media companies to stay for debate or questions about vaccine efficacy.