Gun Talk

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3 hours ago, brabus said:

I wonder what everyone with 320s (or variants) sitting at home will have available to them legally - recall with voucher for a Sig purchase, straight refund to method of purchase, etc. Seems like Sig is really setting themselves up for a ton of lawsuits if they don’t offer an avenue for 320 owners to trade/refund those pistols.

They've tried the 'upgrade' process already.  Anything short of a full buyback won't pass muster with general public.  Anything they do will open them to further lawsuits.  Unless there is some new testing that completely removes responsibility from the gun itself, it's not going to be pretty. 

[JeremiahWeed]

Off current topic, but looking for holster recommendation for everyday appendix carry.  S&W MP shield, 10/13 rnd mag

[busdriver]

5 hours ago, JeremiahWeed said:

Off current topic, but looking for holster recommendation for everyday appendix carry.  S&W MP shield, 10/13 rnd mag

I have had good luck with JM Custom Kydex for all my appendix needs.

[BFM this]

I've been running the Tenicor VELO5 for the past year.  Been an absolutely fantastic holster.  I've been carrying a Hellcat OSP with it.

[brabus]

Whichever holster you choose, just make sure you’re up to date on blow-your-dick-off insurance!

[JeremiahWeed]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

Whichever holster you choose, just make sure you’re up to date on blow-your-dick-off insurance!

Soooooo....... Not an appendix carry fan I take it? 😄

[M2]

Army, Marine Corps, Navy have no plan to stop using M18, M17 pistols

The Army, Navy and Marine Corps are not planning to pause use of the M18 pistol as a primary, daily service sidearm for their troops, the services told Task & Purpose, even as units in the Air Force pull the weapon from service after an airman was killed when his M18 discharged last week. 

The Air Force owns close to 75% of the military’s inventory of roughly 165,000 M18 pistols, according to data provided by the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force and procurement documents from the Navy. Exact numbers of M17s currently in use were not immediately available. The Army and Marine Corps indicated in testing and evaluation documents that they intended to buy several hundred thousand of the handguns. A January 2017 contract announcement included a $580 million contract with Sig Sauer to replace the Army’s M9 by 2027.

Officials from the Army, Navy and Marine Corps told Task & Purpose that those services have no plans to pause use of the weapons...

Discharge issue discovered during Army testing

The Department of Defense discovered unexpected discharge issues with the Sig Sauer handgun when the Army began operational testing for the M18 almost a decade ago. The service found that during drop testing with an empty primed cartridge inserted, the gun’s striker struck the round’s primer and caused a discharge. Army officials directed the company to correct the problem by implementing lightweight components in the trigger mechanism, according to a fiscal year 2017 operational test and evaluation report.

Follow-on testing “validated” that the change “corrected the deficiency and the pistol no longer fired when dropped,” the report stated, adding that the new version with the changes was submitted for production.

Sig Sauer conceded the early issues with the Army pistol, noting that testing “above and beyond” national, state, global military and law enforcement standards found that “after multiple drops, at certain angles and conditions, a potential discharge of the firearm may result when dropped.”

 

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In their report, the Washington commission cited six incidents since 2021 with “uncommanded” discharges involving the M17 and M18. The M18 incidents were:

• In 2023, a Japanese security guard at Camp Foster, Okinawa, “rested their right hand lightly on the rotating cover of a weapon holster” when their M18 discharged.
• Also in 2023, at Camp Pendleton, California, an officer in the armory stopped at a clearing barrel to empty their M18. The officer pulled the pistol out of the holster while it was on safe and removed the magazine. A round discharged from the M18 into the clearing barrel. The officer was “sure that they never touched the trigger of the M18,” and had “ample weapons handling training,” according to the report.
• In 2022, a service member was preparing for his shift at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, when his M18 discharged at his home. He was taken to the hospital for a penetrating gunshot wound with the bullet still “lodged in his knee,” according to the incident report.

With the M17, previous incidents included:

• A military police soldier at Fort Eustis, Virginia, in 2023 injured his foot after his pistol “inadvertently discharged” after making contact with another officer’s gun holster.
• The gun of an Army civilian attending a law enforcement course in 2020 at Leesville Police Range in Louisiana discharged while he drew the pistol from his holster.
• A service member attempting to holster his pistol in 2021 fired a round through his foot at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.

[ClearedHot]

Got my optics squared away on my MPX.  Large Field of View Green Dot with a fold away 3 X Magnifier.