Gun Talk

[raimius]

...and the Senate Parliamentarian ruled we can't get rid of taxes on NFA arms in a budget bill ... apparently taxes are off limits in budget bills now...

[brabus]

WTF, she can go fuck herself. How about SCOTUS just shitcans the entire NFA, considering it’s blatantly unconstitutional. 

[Lord Ratner]

23 hours ago, brabus said:

WTF, she can go fuck herself. How about SCOTUS just shitcans the entire NFA, considering it’s blatantly unconstitutional. 

Considering they didn't even take on the assault weapons ban case, I highly doubt the SCOTUS will be dealing any blows to the NFA soon.

[tac airlifter]

Allegedly if the NFA 200$ stamp becomes 0$, the registration can be challenged in court since it's technically a registration for who paid the tax.  Or at least that's the R cop-out justification for not fighting the parliamentarians move; I don't believe it'll work & think they're all liars.

i think we got played (again) by R leadership who included SHORT not for 2A reasons but rather a throw-away COA they could dump as fake "concession" to  show compromise.  

 

[Smokin]

My understanding of the process is the parliamentarian goes through and throws stuff out that's policy rather than taxes but the majority leader could add it back in.  My guess is based on the 51-49 vote, there was one or two "Republicans" that didn't want that included, so it wasn't put back in.  Should have put it back in and forced the people to vote.  Easy to remove it and vote again but at least everyone knows where their Senators stand.

[uhhello]

From what I'm reading the tax is still there now.  Basically no changes?  Am I wrong?

[Smokin]

No change from current tax under the current Senate version.  But, the House Rules Committee is pushing back against the Senate version, so there's still a chance.

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, Smokin said:

No change from current tax under the current Senate version.  But, the House Rules Committee is pushing back against the Senate version, so there's still a chance.

The current senate version removed the $200 tax.  It's now a $0 tax which is hilarious.  All other regulatory and registrations stay as previous.

Edited July 2 by uhhello

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, uhhello said:

The current senate version removed the $200 tax.  It's now a $0 tax which is hilarious.  All other regulatory and registrations stay as previous.

It's not over yet. 

Senator Clyde introduced an amendment yesterday which would basically end the NFA as it related to silencers and SBRs.

 

[M2]

On 6/23/2025 at 11:30 AM, M2 said:

Kinda related, I may be picking up this used (~500 rounds) Ruger PCC Backpacker in 9mm next week when I'm up in the DFW area next week.  I saw one at the Hondo gun show a few months ago and it's been on my mind ever since...

Update:  I decided to hold off on this purchase, had an unexpected expenditure pop up* and didnt think it prudent to purchase another firearm I'd unlikely shoot or need.   Threw a relatively lowball offer at the seller and as expected, he declined.  Not really overly disappointed about it, it just wasn't meant to be I guess...

* - Just to be clear, I can easily afford this Ruger, I just don't think I really need it at the moment...

[brabus]

8 hours ago, M2 said:

Just to be clear, I can easily afford this Ruger, I just don't think I really need it at the moment...

Found a recent picture of M2 - looks like he can only afford beans for dinner. 
 

[arg]

I hadn't seen this before.

[uhhello]

Well this is gonna get REAL interesting
https://www.warren.af.mil/News/Releases/Article/4251188/90th-missile-wing-confirms-on-base-airman-fatality/

Confirmed M18 discharge while in the holster apparently being set down on desk.  Global Strike has mandated no M18 use until investigation complete.  I'm sure the other commands will follow suit.  

Edited 20 hours ago by uhhello

[Lord Ratner]

I'm usually very skeptical of gun malfunction allegations that never seem to happen during testing, but the case against Sig just keeps getting worse. I'm not sure how an in-holster discharge can be explained away, assuming that's what actually happened.

[busdriver]

Between the accounts of cops and competitive shooters having discharges in holsters, and the way Sig has handled it.     

Fuck that gun

 

[uhhello]

43 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

I'm usually very skeptical of gun malfunction allegations that never seem to happen during testing, but the case against Sig just keeps getting worse. I'm not sure how an in-holster discharge can be explained away, assuming that's what actually happened.

From what i've seen on the webs, was the desk sergeant at BDOC, unclipped the safairland fork from his duty belt with gun in holster and it discharged when he set it on the desk in front of him.  

[M2]

The DAF CCIR overview from the 21 Jul 25 A3 Daily Ops Update is on the BaseOps Intellipedia page on SIPRNET.

[M2]

The Army may want to rethink this, this article was released four days prior...

Army’s Sig P320 Derived Pistols Will Remain Unchanged After Concerning FBI Report

The U.S. Army is not taking any actions regarding its Sig Sauer M17 and M18 pistols based on the findings of a recently disclosed FBI report that has raised new concerns about the design’s ability to fire without the trigger being pulled. Sig has also refuted the results of the FBI’s initial evaluation, which it says the bureau was subsequently unable to reproduce using a mutually agreed-upon testing protocol. The new details from the FBI’s report have already sent a shockwave through the civilian firearms community in the United States, where confidence in P320-series pistols, a family that includes the M17 and M18, is already severely strained...