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It's amazing for me that an entire forum of people who signed on the dotted line and were willing to sacrifice their lives for this country aren't willing to tolerate a little discomfort or get a vaccine that's far less risky than the average combat sortie in order to help the country.

Weird. I haven't been to a concert, but I've literally done all of those other things multiple times. I suppose the virus hasn't decided to lock the doors and turn off the lights where I live.

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. It is in 6 different stages and I received my first dose this morning at 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it is safe and I’m ok, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо. Comrade!

I like liberty. I’d like the liberty to eat at my favorite restaurant, to go to a concert, to take a vacation, to watch my kids play team sports, to throw a party, and many, many other things I haven’t been able to do in a while. None of that is going to happen anytime soon unless the majority of our population agrees to be vaccinated. Vaccine = liberty.

I'll tell you exactly what you're doing. You continuously and non-commitally allude to massive election fraud somewhere in the ether, and then when anyone challenges you on any detail you immediately retreat to "that's not what I was saying" semantic bs. Here's a crazy idea to try: make a concrete claim, and then support it with evidence. The trump legal team could probably use that advice too.

@torqued "we" know exactly what you're trying to do. We've been watching you embarrass yourself for weeks with comically flimsy election fraud claims. It's also why you posted verbiage from a Pennsylvania house resolution written by the fringe of their right wing, which was not passed, or even voted on. "House Republican leaders, however, declined to grant extra time in order to consider the proposed resolution. The legislative session ended Monday, as scheduled."

No, I just thought we were posting random irrelevant wikipedia articles without commentary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Never take advice on how to get out of the military from those who are still in the military.

I can post links too. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html If you're scared, get it. If you are concerned for older or unhealthy people you associate with, get it. Why should I buy additional risk, however small? I volunteer to buy some risk for some things, but that is and should remain my decision. Agreed. I go out to eat with my wife and daughter about twice a week at local restaurants (outside now, which isn't so bad in San Diego), went on vacation this past weekend with three other families, thrown and attended parties/get-togethers just about every weekend, and my daughter goes to the park about 3-5x a week because its good for her development at such a young age to socialize. Some people just give up their liberties more easily than others I suppose.

You have absolutely no idea what long term effects said vaccine might have - Forcing someone who is incredibly low risk to take something that could even potentially have negative long term effects is garbage. Should my 2 year old who doesn't even have a fully developed immune system yet be forced to take it? Forced vaccine equals liberty? No. And you must be flying some crazy missions in country because I never thought my 9 hour flights over there in an old ass Hornet were any riskier than an average training sortie.

Didn’t have to look very hard for answers: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/28/fact-check-pennsylvania-ballot-claim-mixes-primary-general-election-data/6450032002/ But keep up with the “critical thinking” man.

Holy shit guys! He’s right. I watched cable news after midnight the other day and it blew my fucking mind! #dontletTuckerCarlsongetwetaftermidnight

This 100%. Waiting for the recruiter or hiring folks to be the driver and guide you will certainly mean delays in you getting started. If you can get ahead by having required paperwork done before they ask, you’ll help yourself out immensely. There’s a litany of basic paperwork you need filled out before moving forward, so just being able to hand email that to the recruiter before they ask is huge. @Metalhead731 and @JabroniWizard, I don’t remember all of the forms I needed, but there’s a stack of them. I can’t remember whether I got a list and I haven’t been able to locate one through some quick email/Google-fu. What I have found is some of the number/word salad of documents requested, all of which can be Googled or pulled from the AF E-Pubs Site. My list might not be what’s currently needed or complete and my experience is only with the Reserves, not the Guard, so YMMV. Here goes: AF Reserve Application, SOU, PRC, AF 2030, and AF 883. Before MEPS, I have an email to fill out the AF 2807-2 and hand sign/initial it (I am pretty sure I turned one in before MEPS so the recruiter could look over it) and AF 680. Anything you have on the 2807, start getting all the documentation you can from your doctors. They’re gonna ask, so you can mitigate delays if you have the info already. If you really run into delays with recruiters, you might be able to get help from your hiring unit’s point of contact. They can call the recruiters and get some wheels moving, if you’re really hitting a wall. Just also realize the recruiter is a gatekeeper, so don’t piss them off too much; you need them to get you through a lot before starting. Lastly, and not to put out a disheartening note, but I’d be very patient and expect for things to start slowing quite a bit more. COVID and the boomeranging retention has wreaked havoc on the pipeline. I’ve heard from more than a few folks that Reserve UPT boards are really tightening up their selection criteria, FC1s have been tough to come by, and UPT slots available are lower for FY21 than the number of bodies already hired/waiting to go. Again, I’m not involved with any hiring, it can all change overnight, and it could all be hearsay. I’m not trying to rain on the parade; just keep expectations reasonable from what my take is on the current situation. As always, YMMV.

The real question is not if there was illegal voting and vote manipulation (I doubt if any sizable election has ever been 100% accurate and correct since the days of the Athenian democracy) but was on a scale that could have affected the outcome. Since so many states were so close, it is a worthwhile discussion to have. I voted for Trump and I am obviously not happy that he lost. I have seen enough evidence to convince me that there was some voter fraud (see first comment and a Fox News article that listed multiple voters that were listed as having voted by name that died prior to 2018) , but so far no evidence that it was on the scale that some have accused. As is normal in our republic, especially lately, it is necessary to tune out both extremes. Was there a massive liberal corporate conspiracy to steal the election? Probably not. Was every single vote that was counted legal and legit? Certainly not. So the left should stop claiming that voters are being disenfranchised by the millions by looking into voter fraud. Similarly, the right should stop claiming that millions of votes were changed by some computer program unless they have some real tangible evidence.

Started retirement in Mar during the first wave of shutdown. Couldn't agree with this statement more. You do not want to be figuring this shit out, TAP'ing, job hunting and dealing with whatever relationship issues you may/may-not have in the mean time.

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You get the award for most cringe deflection

Yes. It fluctuates but averages around 38,000 a year. Roughly the same number of people who die in the U.S. from auto accidents annually. Yes, the line has to be drawn somewhere. Torqued, what's your line? The 200,000 you asserted as Prozacs line is ~5% of the U.S. annual birth rate, maybe that's a good reference? The problem with many of these arguments is that instead of a cost to society/humanity, many people only view it as a cost to self/surroundings. (i.e. their line is "1, but only if its me")

https://www.consumerreports.org/coronavirus/how-to-know-if-coronavirus-vaccine-is-safe-and-effective/ It’s going to be as safe as any other vaccine out there. Even if you feel you are at low risk, remember, widespread vaccination is as much about removing your potential to be a vector for the disease as it is about protecting you from it.

Democrats don’t like math, most of their voting base is not proficient past 3rd grade math. Look at how AOC still sticks around. Biden’s voting base won’t care about the math either. Orange man bad, socialism good!

As a D, why would you lose seats in the house, and not guarantee at least 50 in the senate? Are they in Ohio? I didn't see any lawsuits there after checking a few "legacy media" sites (and wiki).

No, that wasn't my point. I've got my quals/creds in my resume, online in various job search engines, in LinkedIn exactly where I worked and what positions. I've been featured in a magazine for an award or 2, and even a couple of newspapers (gasp...I'm old!). I was known by my community (as fledgling as it was), and could be found in various groups that you can google (or my preferred - duckduckgo). This dude isn't active anymore, and is working for a political campaign, so we can probably assume that he's not still a spook. But nothing of his cred is online, not a PME paper, not a twitter handle, not a FB, not a LinkedIn, not previous work, not where he currently works that would employ him as a cybersecurity expert...and want to highlight that. He apparently doesn't have his own company he's pushing either. He's cited as a cybersecurity expert, but he's not in any of the circles I can turn to in order to evaluate (not prove) expert. I can't even find out when this dude retired, which would inform me if he was slinging bytes or simply signing paperwork approving the next "digital weapon buy" for random-three-letter-agency. His career-progression makes sense, as there's a lot of Army O's the crossed -- my exp has been mostly Artillery O's. But did he cross as a O5? He legit could have crossed as a O6. Would he be smart on cybersec, for sure. Would he be an expert...no. But, I don't know because we're unable to validate anything about him. Look, this is exactly the same as you zipper-suited Sun-Gods bitching about rando general having 69hrs of flight time in a platform and not being qualified to speak on X in platform (Phoenix Program comes to mind). Like everything else about the Trump campaign - lies, disinformation and utter failure at their mission. //BREAK BREAK// I actually just watched the video of the entire testimony from PA, and looked at spiderfoot. Here's a link to spiderfoot overview...it does not appear to do what he claims it does. That's as nicely as I can put it. Yes, their main webpage was connected to the internet on voting day, same as it is now. I will also give him the benefit of the doubt that he's speaking, unsworn, to legislatures...but he called his people, for his unnamed company "white hat hackers." dude is sus. Found his whole testimony here, he claims to have done the following in the last 1/2 of his career: "info warfare as - psychological operations officer, information operations officer, doing computer network operations, electronic warfare and special electronic warfare, deception, counter-deception, OPSEC, and a couple other specialties." Simply...bullshit. "One of our white hat hackers (sus) previously discovered malware that's present on 'the servers.'" - This is a crime. As an "expert" he should know you can't do that in our country without prior approval. Did they have approved access to get on those systems and evaluate them to discover that malware? Which servers, the webservers, the voting servers, development servers, update servers, etc? "No audit trail." Except those paper ballots they hand over, and can you know...audit with. Here's a guy on twitter breaking down the AZ testimony as the utter bullshit it is as well. You can check his quals in his twitter bio, like a real world expert. EDIT - Found out he retired in 2017 as a Col. Assume 3 years for in rank retirement he pinned on in 2014. Looking at some dates, Cyber Mission Force achieved IOC in Oct 2016, and FOC (right before I was there) in 2018. USCC elevated in 2018. I'd put good money on this dude commanding a battalion/brigade that supplied operators that actually did everything he claimed to do to USCC/3LA and being a staffer that pushed to get the CMF stood up. That's it after listening to his testimony in PA. To be clear, he claimed to do all the following jobs the last 1/2 (15 yrs) of his career - 29A MOS, 35G MOS, 30A MOS, 37A MOS, plus whatever job deception/counter-deception are rolled into. Overall, AF Intel manages their officer (and some enlisted) career paths extremely carefully to build expertise within certain areas, build credibility and ensure people have accesses throughout. We hated it as cyber guys for 2 reasons - fucked us for opportunities, fucked us for employing their people the way we wanted. They were especially stringent at O4 and up. My (limited) experience was the same for the Army (outside GO ranks...because they'll put a Infantry officer anywhere they fucking want in command). So...simply, no. TL;DR - This dude was minimum exaggerating his experience, and not credible about what he was briefing.

Ok to be fair, this is sort of a dumb question. If you were going to invest in fraud as a democrat, why would you waste you money on California or New York? You are obviously going to target swing states. Furthermore, if you were going to investigate fraud as a Republican, why would you do it in Ohio? A state you won.

I’m honestly surprised at how many supposed critical thinkers and skeptics on here clearly haven’t put any real effort into seeing if there is any evidence of widespread fraud. If your using google, good luck finding anything besides the official mainstream narrative (recommend DuckDuckGo.com as an unbiased search engine). I challenge anyone actually interested in data to do your own research on official absentee ballot numbers in Pennsylvania (hint...1.8 million mailed/1.4 million returned in the mail/2.4 million counted) or the four vote spikes that occurred after midnight (the largest was 330k+...97% for one candidate) with over 600k votes instantly showing up. The vote spikes are easy to find in graphs or live on any news station after midnight.

We weren’t, but I award you two points for the undeserved smugness and skipping of the question. The point is that just because an opinion exists doesn’t automatically mean that it is worthy of consideration. An opinion that is so far outside of the realm of perceived truth (it goes against the CDC, it was literally retracted for inaccuracies, contradicts multiple governments and basically every scientific paper, etc) doesn’t need to be tolerated or put on the same playing field as ones that actual have any scientific backing.

Li'l Kim's situation is looking good because we smashed the last regime to GIVE UP its WMD program...Libya. Kinda ironic that you think the guy pulling troops out of the Middle East is the warhawk. Seems to me actions like killing Iran's top terrorist demonstrate reasons why Iran should NOT poke the bear, while giving them pallets of cash encourage them to rattle the saber any time the treasury looks empty...kind of like North Korea.

The Iran deal was about as “good” and “effective” as the Paris climate one. All facade, no substance.

So, let's talk about when Biden is POTUS. We are back in Paris Climate deal, Iran deal, Green new deal etc? $200 tax for so called "assault weapons and mags" he's flip flopped on oil drilling/fracking,Expect pump prices to be $4 a gallon. How much manufacturing will go back to China?

You are a master's class in argumentative fallacy. Your evidence of cheating is an incorrect and uneducated assumption on risk/reward? Manipulating an election on the scale required to affect the outcome would require a multiple person conspiracy to commit fraud. The fraud itself is a felony, the act of conspiracy is a separate, much more serious felony that the DOJ has a pretty good track record of obtaining long sentences for. So it is not, as you baselessly claim, "low risk." Regarding your assertion of high reward, for who? The individuals capable of attempting the crime are clerks, volunteers and minor appointed officials. "Jim, you've done a good job serving the people of Michigan as a country registrar. We appreciate the time you've taken away from your insurance sales job to help us conduct a fair and impartial election. If you'd be willing to help Joe Biden win by asking your peers to help falsify data, here's a big bag of un-laundered cash you can share. I promise I'm not a cop and promise I'm not wearing a wire." 🙄 Say, maybe the Apollo mission were faked and 9/11 was an inside job. Also, just because you're dishonest doesn't mean that other people are too. You're the anomaly. Most of us play by the rules. If you want to see the proof of this being a fair election, simply read what Trump's legal team has argued in court. No Fraud, no evidence of anything.

I could care less about Trump winning. Didn't even vote this election. Didn't vote for him in the last one. The evidence that cheating is happening is 1.) It's low risk. 2.) It's high reward. 3.) People are generally evil and there is no way they would not cheat if they saw a mechanism to do it. You don't see evidence because those who accuse of cheating who actually have access of evidence also realise that by presenting it they implicate themselves. It's that simple. It's like steroids man. You know athletes are doing it even without evidence. There are weak protections against it but it's still so easy to circumvent you know it's happening. If I were running a campaign I would 100% try to cheat. Why shouldn't I? Almost 0 chance of getting caught and I could tilt the election in my favor then instill power mechanisms to keep me there. Maybe I'm just jaded and have a low opinion of humanity.

Apparently I'm a bit naive then. I don't believe in massive amounts of cheating or fraud. 150 million votes were cast. Of course some dipshít voted twice, or stole his neighbors mail and sent in their ballot, etc. I just can't take anyone seriously when they allege that there is an organized effort, at any meaningful scale, in any jurisdiction at all, to commit fraud. Especially when they offer literally no evidence. It doesn't exist. This is just some mealy-mouthed way of trying to put an asterisk next to Trump's loss. Sadly, being a sore loser hurts everyone in the form of weakening our democracy.

You're really going to "muh both sides" me with a 20 year old example? Surely you can find a better, more recent example than democrats going to court on mail in ballots postmarked after the election...something that would give most republicans an aneurysm in 2020. Sure fraud happens on a negligible level and is usually caught, but "massive" is a bit of an overstatement. Even the hyper-partisan Kobach commission came up dry, like most republican investigations into "fraud". As said before the biggest flaw in these conspiracy theories is that it assumes the government can coordinate and execute something this big without anyone knowing about it or coming clean. On top of that, the idea we cheated yet neglected to check the boxes for senate seats is just laughable. Also since there's 50 states, why are we only concerned about fraud in a couple states if it's so widespread? Seems like if we really are that devious there would be ample evidence everywhere. I was promised a Kraken. Where is my Kraken? Trump should have won given how close the race was and how poorly his decision making process was...but he is too arrogant to listen to anyone and has surrounded himself with yes men. He is literally the dude who chooses the throwaway COA every time. "we could ignore it and wait for it to go away, we could issue an apology and pretend to care, or we could double down and insult their mom" "Yeah, lets go with 3"

Good news the Federal Housing Finance Agency just released the updated county loan limits for next year. The baseline limit is going up from 510,400 to 548,250 for loans closing after 1 Jan. That's great for a few reasons: 1) If you are buying a house the transition point to a jumbo/high balance loan will be higher so if you stay below 548,250 you'll get a better rate 2) If you have a VA loan outstanding now you'll get more VA entitlement to use on a second VA loan before you'll have to put any money down. Also high cost area limits have increased more too which means more entitlement if you need a second VA in a high rent district. 3) If you're in a high balance/jumbo loan now that's above 510,400 but will be below 548,250 you can refinance out of the high balance/jumbo into a regular conforming loan and get a better rate. If you don't have any outstanding VA loans then you can still buy without any loan limits as long as you qualify debt to income ratio wise. These higher limits only help people with outstanding VA loans. The VA typically certifies the new numbers early-mid Dec so we can't start doing loans based on these numbers for a couple weeks until the VA authorizes it. Below is the link where you can look up the limits for the county you're in or where you may be headed. https://www.fhfa.gov/DataTools/Downloads/Documents/Conforming-Loan-Limits/FullCountyLoanLimitList2021_HERA-BASED_FINAL_FLAT.pdf Rates are still crazy low so if these new numbers help you refi to a lower rate please hit me up. Happy to sanity check any scenarios with minimal legwork on your part. Have a great Thanksgiving! Jon 850-377-1114 jk@mythl.com

Liberty, motherfucker. Get some!

When half the peeps in a survey are going to refuse a vaccine..think that wearing a mask invades their rights...and won't give up visiting crowded gin mills..I think that the gig is up. It's not gonna be herd immunity or vaccines or masks or 9-11 or the Holocaust..It's gonna be Mother Nature who will examine your genetics and those genetics will either save you or they won't..won't be any different than 1917 and AIDS... It's gonna be a self induced disaster...A "free to be me" progression ...and Mother Nature swings a mean bat..good luck..

How did you manage to go from complaining about me skipping your 9/11 and Holocaust question, to stating that some things just are not worthy of consideration... in two sentences... while failing to make the connection? That's impressive. Follow up question: How did you manage to write two consecutive rather wordy rebuttals in consideration of the professor's COVID thesis... just before smugly dismissing them as "not worth your consideration"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness

That’s putting it lightly, it will be 2012-2014 all over again. I bet she will take great selfies like selfie Deb. Hope sticking it to Trump was worth it

False. First, everyone here believes election fraud exists. Is that fair to say? If everyone believes election fraud exists, why does it seem to be such an emotional shock to you and others when people demonstrate the specific individual ways in which it is possible for it to be committed? Bear in mind there have been countless news reports, investigations, and demonstrations in the past 15-20 years regarding vulnerabilities of electronic voting systems. I've already posted a few and can give you several more straight away where people smarter than either of us prove, on camera, that voting machines can be easily manipulated to achieve a desired outcome. I've said repeatedly, I too believe voter fraud exists, but I simply do not know the probability of it existing to an extent to change the election. I do believe that it is possible, you believe that it's not. I don't think you're being reasonable if you swat down every example while effectively shouting "IMPOSSIBLE!". I'm not trying to make a legal ruling here. I'm not a judge. None of us are, for that matter. I'm not trying to troll you here. I'm not trying to upset you. But your emotionally charged responses are something you should account for, because it appears to cloud your reason. You seem to believe you're a smart guy and can think for yourself. I'd say you probably are. If you don't want to believe any of these people's claims, I'm fine with that. Move along. Perhaps you're worried that these things may influence someone that isn't as smart as you. I don't know what to tell ya. It seems to me your political biases are preventing you from making objective conclusions about a more important issue. That issue being one of the most important aspects of our democratic process, election, has vulnerabilities. I don't think I can answer this without insulting you. I don't want to do that, so I'm just going to leave it alone and give you that point. It seems to me you spent an inordinate amount of time diminishing his career instead of addressing his specific allegations.

Life comes at you fast: Everybody talks a big game until they get a bad case.

How are you making these assumptions about what the risks are? The effectiveness? The only pieces of information you could possibly use to derive that conclusion are pharmaceutical company press releases. Remember this?

You want a math problem? 😆 What is 300,000 COVID deaths minus 200,000 COVID deaths? Think you can wrap your head around that one, Capt Calculator?

Not only do you create fake statistics, you create fake awards too! Well done. Way to be consistent!

Wanna take a wild guess as to why I might suspect that it’s possible you’re full of shit? 😂