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26 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

I think it’s laughable that Senators are now decrying the Postmaster General...after confirming him unanimously 89-0. 

It’s weird how new information coming to light will do that!

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47 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

It’s weird how new information coming to light will do that!

Should have done their research when they had the chance. 

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5 hours ago, M2 said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

In other words, if you can protest, you can get your ass to the polls and vote!

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/494189-lets-put-the-vote-by-mail-fraud-myth-to-rest

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One hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots over the course of 20 years comes out to seven to eight cases per year, nationally. It also means that across the 50 states, there has been an average of three cases per state over the 20-year span. That is just one case per state every six or seven years. We are talking about an occurrence that translates to about 0.00006 percent of total votes cast.

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Oregon is the state that started mailing ballots to all voters in 2000 and has worked diligently to put in place stringent security measures, as well as strict punishments for those who would tamper with a mailed ballot. For that state, the following numbers apply: With well over 50 million ballots cast, there have been only two fraud cases verifiable enough to result in convictions for mail-ballot fraud in 20 years. That is 0.000004 percent — about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States.

Out of the millions of ballots cast since 2000, Oregon has had 15 cases of voting fraud in 20 years using mail-in voting. 

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if you think that with how much the left HATES trump that they WONT DO ANYTHING TO DEFEAT HIM (mail in fraud), then you're an idiot. truly.

sending a mail in ballot to every registered voter in the country has never been done. there is no STUDY. absentee voting is not the same as MASS mail voting to every voter.

 

Americans need to get their ass to the polls, stand in line w/ their masks on, 6 feet, and vote.

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3 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

if you think that with how much the left HATES trump that they WONT DO ANYTHING TO DEFEAT HIM (mail in fraud), then you're an idiot. truly.

sending a mail in ballot to every registered voter in the country has never been done. there is no STUDY. absentee voting is not the same as MASS mail voting to every voter.

 

Americans need to get their ass to the polls, stand in line w/ their masks on, 6 feet, and vote.

So, it's never been done on that scale, but instead of trying it to get data points to see if it works or not, they shouldn't do it? Yet the states that offer it (including the one I'm in and have done the past three years), have had success with it. Interesting thought process. How about explaining to the retards in Florida how voting works so they aren't the cause of another SCOTUS ruling during another presidential election.

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yeah nice try bud, not two months before a presidential election.

people are easily capable of standing in line to vote.

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1 minute ago, BashiChuni said:

yeah nice try bud, not two months before a presidential election.

people are easily capable of standing in line to vote.

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7 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

So, it's never been done on that scale, but instead of trying it to get data points to see if it works or not, they shouldn't do it? Yet the states that offer it (including the one I'm in and have done the past three years), have had success with it. Interesting thought process. How about explaining to the retards in Florida how voting works so they aren't the cause of another SCOTUS ruling during another presidential election.

Considering how many dead people got stimulus checks...I'm not sure just shotgunning ballots to the last known address of registered voters is a winning strategy.

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Just now, pawnman said:

Considering how many dead people got stimulus checks...I'm not sure just shotgunning ballots to the last known address of registered voters is a winning strategy.

I'm sure no one dies or has a change in address in Oregon, California, or Washington during election years either.

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20 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

sending a mail in ballot to every registered voter in the country has never been done. there is no STUDY. absentee voting is not the same as MASS mail voting to every voter.

First, this exact thing is done in several states and has been done successfully for decades.

Second, few new states are conducting all-mail elections in 2020. Most are using existing absentee voting systems, which the President likes and personally utilizes, to allow more people to vote via absentee ballot given the raging pandemic. Four new states are doing all-mail elections this year, and only one (Nevada) is even remotely a battleground state.

So you’re in luck! The thing you are against isn’t happening almost anywhere meaningful in terms if who becomes the next President.

Some states are mailing absentee ballot applications to voters or allowing more groups to assist voters in obtaining absentee applications, which again, is different than all-mail voting. The President seems ok with this too, or at least his campaign is...see this example of Trump campaign materials from North Carolina, which includes an absentee ballot request form.
 

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2 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

I think it’s laughable that Senators are now decrying the Postmaster General...after confirming him unanimously 89-0. 

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They've already taken a knee....right after stealing (raiding) usps's coffers

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2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

It’s weird how new information coming to light will do that!

Sometimes all it takes for Congress to do its job is to have the orange man threaten to do something. Seriously, Congress has failed to act for years on the post office issue. 

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Just because a process has "worked" on a small scale, does not give proof that its a secure model.  Just because it has 'worked' has ZERO correlation to its susceptibility to fraud.  "It worked" does not mean "it cannot be taken advantage of to win by any means necessary".

Self checkout lines work.  Is that going to stop a desperate crowd from stealing shit when the time comes?

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58 minutes ago, rancormac said:

Just because a process has "worked" on a small scale, does not give proof that its a secure model.  Just because it has 'worked' has ZERO correlation to its susceptibility to fraud.  "It worked" does not mean "it cannot be taken advantage of to win by any means necessary".

Self checkout lines work.  Is that going to stop a desperate crowd from stealing shit when the time comes?

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

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"Vote fraud in the United States is exceedingly rare, with mailed ballots and otherwise. Over the past 20 years, about 250 million votes have been cast by a mail ballot nationally. The Heritage Foundation maintains an online database of election fraud cases in the United States and reports that there have been just over 1,200 cases of vote fraud of all forms, resulting in 1,100 criminal convictions, over the past 20 years. Of these, 204 involved the fraudulent use of absentee ballots; 143 resulted in criminal convictions. 

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One hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots over the course of 20 years comes out to seven to eight cases per year, nationally. It also means that across the 50 states, there has been an average of three cases per state over the 20-year span. That is just one case per state every six or seven years. We are talking about an occurrence that translates to about 0.00006 percent of total votes cast

I’ll take those odds. No method is 100% for certain against fraud.

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*cough = ballot harvesting - cough*

 

 

It's pretty easy to see the narrative being crafted:

Trump loses due to mail-in voting and it's "see the system worked."

Trump wins, no matter the methods used to cast ballots and it's "That bastard cheated."

Cue the riots...

 

Hope folks got their ammo earlier because it's either nearly non-existent now or sky-high prices to obtain any

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6 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

*cough = ballot harvesting - cough*

 

 

It's pretty easy to see the narrative being crafted:

Trump loses due to mail-in voting and it's "see the system worked."

Trump wins, no matter the methods used to cast ballots and it's "That bastard cheated."

Cue the riots...

 

Hope folks got their ammo earlier because it's either nearly non-existent now or sky-high prices to obtain any

Care to share? 

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3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

states are responsible for voting. not a mass federal voting program.

 

This.  The federal government will not relinquish control over the entire election process once they have it.  Add it to the list of programs that the federal government mishandles on scales that are hard to measure.  Like the USPS...  

The Dems will get what they want on this one.  But, it is going to bite them.  It will be a complete clusterfuck just like Trump has said.  We will not know the results for months and the mistakes, miscounts, lost ballets, fraud and the rest will end up in the court system being litigated for years.  Trump will then be accused of not wanting to leave office.  

I can't wrap my mind around smart people here actually advocating for the federal government to take control over our voting rights.  IT IS THE PROCESS THAT PROTECTS US FROM THE GOVERNMENT.  How can anyone seriously think they can pull this off regardless of your political leanings?  There are endless threads on this very website detailing many of the things that the federal government mishandles.  They won't get this one right either.  It will be a disaster of epic proportions.  

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html?fbclid=IwAR3BFBXBI38fk28bYNM69IXN7pHH0lXqgbbTn3r0RdBuhpHD8oFaHaQaCmo
 

In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections. Due to the pandemic, Paterson’s election was done through vote-by-mail. Community organizations, such as the city’s NAACP chapter, are calling for the entire election to be invalidated.”

“Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. “We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote,” she said. ‘This is corruption. This is fraud.’”

@Sua Sponte this won’t happen in November... right?

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9 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

 

@Sua Sponte this won’t happen in November... right?

That gutsy bastard is willing to take that risk for 'Merica.  In fact, the entire DNC is.

 

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17 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html?fbclid=IwAR3BFBXBI38fk28bYNM69IXN7pHH0lXqgbbTn3r0RdBuhpHD8oFaHaQaCmo
 

In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections. Due to the pandemic, Paterson’s election was done through vote-by-mail. Community organizations, such as the city’s NAACP chapter, are calling for the entire election to be invalidated.”

“Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. “We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote,” she said. ‘This is corruption. This is fraud.’”

@Sua Sponte this won’t happen in November... right?

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885074932/n-j-election-fraud-case-draws-a-trump-tweet-but-suggests-safeguards-are-working

So a city councilman and cronies got caught and charged in the first time New Jersey did mail-in voting? And? Is the KC-10 an unsafe jet cause one blew up Barksdale decades ago? Or is it a safe jet because the remaining 59, at the time, went on to have a great safety record compared to the KC-135?

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1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

This.  The federal government will not relinquish control over the entire election process once they have it.  Add it to the list of programs that the federal government mishandles on scales that are hard to measure.  Like the USPS...  

The Dems will get what they want on this one.  But, it is going to bite them.  It will be a complete clusterfuck just like Trump has said.  We will not know the results for months and the mistakes, miscounts, lost ballets, fraud and the rest will end up in the court system being litigated for years.  Trump will then be accused of not wanting to leave office.  

I can't wrap my mind around smart people here actually advocating for the federal government to take control over our voting rights.  IT IS THE PROCESS THAT PROTECTS US FROM THE GOVERNMENT.  How can anyone seriously think they can pull this off regardless of your political leanings?  There are endless threads on this very website detailing many of the things that the federal government mishandles.  They won't get this one right either.  It will be a disaster of epic proportions.  

Wait, is someone saying you can’t vote if you’re legally entitled to vote?

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5 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885074932/n-j-election-fraud-case-draws-a-trump-tweet-but-suggests-safeguards-are-working

So a city councilman and cronies got caught and charged in the first time New Jersey did mail-in voting? And? Is the KC-10 an unsafe jet cause one blew up Barksdale decades ago? Or is it a safe jet because the remaining 59, at the time, went on to have a great safety record compared to the KC-135?

So let me get this straight. First it was “fraud doesn’t happen.” And now it’s “doesn’t matter if it does, we’ll catch it?”

Talk about goalpost moving...

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1 minute ago, Kiloalpha said:

So let me get this straight. First it was “fraud doesn’t happen.” And now it’s “doesn’t matter if it does, we’ll catch it?”

Talk about goalpost moving...

Can you point out where I wrote that? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

What I actually said before you chimed in to the adult discussion.

No method is 100% for certain against fraud.

And I literally posted an article from MIT talking about a study that states voting fraud is “"Vote fraud in the United States is exceedingly rare, with mailed ballots and otherwise.”

 

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