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Looks like there's an arrest warrant out for him for felon in possession of a firearm as well as felony immigration violations now.
 
Had a BP agent in Tucson sector just the other day attempting to apprehend a group of 6 illegals on the west side of the Babo mountains. One of them fought with him as he was trying to cuff him up and the illegal managed to get hold of the agent's gun. Another agent there on scene shot and killed the illegal. This is the third assault on agents this past month that resulted in injury to an agent. And there was the death of the Van Horn station agent just the other week.
 
Still dangerous as ever out there.
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I️ was also surprised by the verdict - manslaughter in this non-lawyer’s opinion was the provable crime and my cynical side says the SF DA’s office new that but went for murder to quell conservatives nationwide knowing they would not get a conviction
The Sanctuary Cities movement and now CA as a Sanctuary State is an insult and threat.

Build the security systems (walls/fences/patrols/surveillance)
Increase enforcement on illegal aliens and their enablers
Sanction govs that refuse to accept their deported citizens back

Rinse lather repeat

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13 hours ago, nsplayr said:

https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/

I found this to be a good discussion of the trial and why the verdict was what it was. Found it compelling to think both A) Zarate definitely fired the weapon, yet also B) there is reasonable doubt that he committed first degree murder.

And before “RIP my mentions,” I don’t think he should have been in this country and I’m not that big a fan of the idea of sanctuary cities. His immigration status isn’t really germane to the sentencing in this case re: manslaughter (what he should have been convicted of IMHO), and first degree murder. 

But we can and should have both discussions. 

 

1. Was his sentencing and trial fair.... no. Seriously guns do not just “go off.” His negligence/stupidity led to that weapon firing same as if he was in a car randomly touching stuff and ran her over. It’s pitiful that wasn’t the standard applies.

 

2. Sanctuary cities and their contribution to the death of the victim. Zarate wasn’t arrested by SF.... he was in Federal Custody. SF actively extradited him to the city to stand for a 20 year old drug Warrant, they didn’t charge him, and then through policy refused to hold him so he could be returned to Federal Custody. WTFO!? How is the city, and the state not called to task for that by the media. Somehow supporters of these policies or the #resist people against all things Trump seem to be ignoring that fact entirely. If I was the families lawyer I would be naming the city, DAs office, and State in a hell of a civil case for setting the conditions which directly contributed to the victims death.

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I mean, firearms accidentally discharge regularly. Not saying that’s necssarrily what happened here, but no one but Zarate really knows. The fact that the single bullet richoched off the ground before it struck Steinle to me makes a much stronger case for involuntary manslaughter than first degree murder. Then again I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express law school so take that for what it’s worth.

I agree with you generally that the way the state and city handled his detention (or lack there of) immediately before the shooting was poor. I’m a fan of sane, just national policies in a lot of cases and immigration fits that bill to me. We’re one nation, we need one smart policy that applied everywhere.

That being said, there’s an inherent tension in both parties where they don’t want the feds dictating policy on some things (immigration enforcement and marijuana on the left for instance, school prayer and abortion and many other issues on the right), yet they want the feds to impose their preferred policies on those who they disagree with. Just as long as we’re all honest about that duality these are policies that should be widely discussed and debated.

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3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I mean, firearms accidentally discharge regularly. Not saying that’s necssarrily what happened here, but no one but Zarate really knows. The fact that the single bullet richoched off the ground before it struck Steinle to me makes a much stronger case for involuntary manslaughter than first degree murder. Then again I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express law school so take that for what it’s worth.

Firearms accidentally discharge regularly?  Do pencils also mispell words?  People might accidentally discharge firearms, but it is still caused by a person.

"But in a police interrogation, Garcia Zarate admitted to firing the gun, saying he was aiming at a seal."

http://wgntv.com/2017/11/30/garcia-zarate-acquitted-of-homicide-in-kate-steinles-death/

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The general feeling I get is that the City of San Francisco is more concerned that an illegal immigrant not be subjected to immigration laws than the fact that an innocent person was shot to death by someone who had no right to be in the country. 

They’re more concerned about their holy status as a “sanctuary” than hey are over the death of this woman. Nothing could be more political. 

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Two things:

 

1. The gun was a Sig P226 or similar. From what I’ve read, these are double action only trigger weapons with a trigger pull of around 15 pounds. It was a stolen Fed BLM agent’s weapon which means it would have been inherently a safe weapon unless the thief paid for gunsmithing or modified it himself. How could the prosecution not call in an expert to demonstrate how difficult it is to “accidentally” fire a weapon like this? These jurors are from SAN FRANCISCO and more than likely know exactly dick about firearms, how they operate, and have been conditioned for years to fear them.

 

2. Sanctuary city/state policies are modern day nullification and interestingly enough are being pushed by the same democrat party that believed in nullification that led to secession and the Civil War. We cannot have a sovereign country without having defined borders and the rule of law respected by all of our states, cities, municipalities, and even the wacko federal judges that love to legislate from the bench. Immigration law is specifically a granted power of the US Congress in the Constitution. But I guess you’d need to give a shit about the Constitution in the first place and San Francisco, California, New York and soon the be New Jersey don’t.

 

 

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13 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I mean, firearms accidentally discharge regularly. Not saying that’s necssarrily what happened here, but no one but Zarate really knows. The fact that the single bullet richoched off the ground before it struck Steinle to me makes a much stronger case for involuntary manslaughter than first degree murder. Then again I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express law school so take that for what it’s worth.

I agree with you generally that the way the state and city handled his detention (or lack there of) immediately before the shooting was poor. I’m a fan of sane, just national policies in a lot of cases and immigration fits that bill to me. We’re one nation, we need one smart policy that applied everywhere.

That being said, there’s an inherent tension in both parties where they don’t want the feds dictating policy on some things (immigration enforcement and marijuana on the left for instance, school prayer and abortion and many other issues on the right), yet they want the feds to impose their preferred policies on those who they disagree with. Just as long as we’re all honest about that duality these are policies that should be widely discussed and debated.

Firearms discharge regularly? Do you even gun, bro?

BTW, it was a LEO Sig P239. 

 

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Moose, the weapon in question is DA/SA and the defense argued that it was stolen while in SA mode and the light trigger pull of 4.4 lbs contributed to the gun “accidentally discharging.”  Anytime the trigger is squeezed, it is no longer an accident and becomes negligence in my opinion, but many folks still consider it an accident if they squeeze the trigger and something they don’t like happens.

NS— firearms definitely do not regularly discharge accidentally.  Mechanical failures causing a discharge are extremely rare, but you might be of the camp who considers it an accident if you squeeze the trigger and recive an unintended outcome.  

My general take on this trial is that we don’t know what evidence the jury heard to reach their outcome.  However, that so many liberals I know are pleased this guy escaped a murder conviction has forever turned me off to their opinions on gun control.  Here we have a multiple time felon, illegal immigrant, with a stolen police weapon who kills an innocent person with the stolen weapon.  If one cannot support  a criminal conviction in this instance, we have a philosophical disagreement that can never be bridged and nothing left to talk about regarding gun control.

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5 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

2. Sanctuary city/state policies are modern day nullification and interestingly enough are being pushed by the same democrat party that believed in nullification that led to secession and the Civil War. We cannot have a sovereign country without having defined borders and the rule of law respected by all of our states, cities, municipalities, and even the wacko federal judges that love to legislate from the bench. Immigration law is specifically a granted power of the US Congress in the Constitution. But I guess you’d need to give a shit about the Constitution in the first place and San Francisco, California, New York and soon the be New Jersey don’t.

 

 

The sanctuary city idea is actually fairly interesting. Surprising it’s still a thing. 

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13 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Moose, the weapon in question is DA/SA and the defense argued that it was stolen while in SA mode and the light trigger pull of 4.4 lbs contributed to the gun “accidentally discharging.”  Anytime the trigger is squeezed, it is no longer an accident and becomes negligence in my opinion, but many folks still consider it an accident if they squeeze the trigger and something they don’t like happens.

NS— firearms definitely do not regularly discharge accidentally.  Mechanical failures causing a discharge are extremely rare, but you might be of the camp who considers it an accident if you squeeze the trigger and recive an unintended outcome.  

My general take on this trial is that we don’t know what evidence the jury heard to reach their outcome.  However, that so many liberals I know are pleased this guy escaped a murder conviction has forever turned me off to their opinions on gun control.  Here we have a multiple time felon, illegal immigrant, with a stolen police weapon who kills an innocent person with the stolen weapon.  If one cannot support  a criminal conviction in this instance, we have a philosophical disagreement that can never be bridged and nothing left to talk about regarding gun control.

Negligent discharge is the more accurate term and yes, those do happen regularly. YMMV on that source, but it's the first thing I could find on the googles. I find it pretty likely that Zarate pulled the trigger and that the firearm worked as God intended it, but none of us know that for sure. Still a negligent discharge, not a premeditated homicide.

Re: your last paragraph...I 100% agree he should have been convicted of involuntary manslaughter for his negligent discharge of a firearm. It seems from the reporting I've read about the case that the prosecution pushed heavily for a first degree murder charge, and I think stretches credulity to say this guy, in a pre-meditated way, killed Ms. Steinle with malicious intent. The idea that the prosecution and/or judge did not make the case for and the sentencing instructions to the jury airtight in such that we got a more just outcome, I'm not lawyer enough to speak to intelligently.

We agree he shouldn't have been in the country (especially after multiple prior deportations and crimes), we agree that he should not have ever been let out of local or federal custody prior to the shooting, and we agree that he should have been found guilty of a crime beyond possession of a firearm. I'm not pleased that this guy wasn't convicted of additional crimes although I am happy he did at least get felony possession of a firearm and will be deported (again, hopefully permanently) after serving time for that.

So I can only speak for myself, but IDK if your big line in the sand against "liberals" is really justified based on this. Let me tell you that if anyone on team blue is cheering for this guy and wants to see him walking free in the USA, fuck them.

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Well thought out post, as usual, bro.  Not being a lawyer I have to keep my comments at the principal and idea level rather than technical charges.  And the idea I’m trying to express is this: in liberal cities with “gun violence”problems, we see a push for stricter gun control but not a comensurate push for stricter enforcement of existing statutes or prosecution of felons using guns in commission of crimes.  We can debate guns all day long, but when a multiple felon kills with a stolen LEO weapon and the same folks who want to ban collapsible stocks can’t support tossing his ass in jail forever..... well, I’m wasting my time talking because we can never agree.  And like it or not, lots of folks on team blue are glad he’s free.  I live in a blue state, it’s real.  So my line in the sand isn’t against liberals per se, it’s against hypocrites with hidden agendas.  It just so happens many are liberal.

BTW,  what makes you think “permanently deported”is an achievable thing?  

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