The Next President is...

[Clark Griswold]

Trump / Carlson ‘24


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[Pooter]

Wild to see the GOP so utterly captured like this. You have the most beatable opponent in a generation in Joe Biden between the cognitive decline, objectively bad economy, foreign policy disasters, and insane wokeness..

And the presumptive GOP nominee is perhaps the only person on earth more polarizing and less likely to win the general. And the hilarious part people are trying to distance from trump now but that opportunity passed by long ago. The early election denial Rudy/Sidney Powell clown show phase was probably the best opportunity to boot trump out of the mainstream right. But now he has too much momentum and will steamroll people and feed off the smaller fish like he did last time. 
 

Fox even had a chance to bail on trump, and their own internal comms show everyone there thought he was batshit, but they caved to the hardline trump base eventually. It makes me wonder.. fun conspiracy theory here:  do media companies actively conspire to get their political opposition elected? Trump was tv ratings crack for the MSM and I'm sure fox gets a boost when Dems are in charge and they can just rail on whatever the left is pushing at the time. 
 

It would be a smart move by fox. Appease the base by backing trump.. but knowing full well he'll lose the general so you'll get to keep your rail-on-the-current-dem-administration ratings boost. 

[Mark1]

On 4/24/2023 at 11:47 PM, Sim said:

Still voting for Trump. Sorry, but not sorry. 

Sad fucking day when somebody who swore an oath to the Constitution makes it known that they'll vote for a dude who did everything within his power to overthrow a democratic election result, no matter who the alternative is.  Literally declared himself an enemy of the Constitution, but he can still count on your vote.  Some real third world shit-hole stuff right there.

Can't wait for 2027 when he's frothing up his base to abolish the 22nd Amendment so he can die in office like Putin and Xi.  Pathetic.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Mark1

[bfargin]

Hyperbole much Mark1? He’s a douche but def didn’t do everything in his power to overthrow anything. The left knows that but still insists on wild exaggeration (you still working for msnbc?).
 

Sadly I’m afraid in 2024 we’ll have to choose again from 2 liberals (the incumbent leaning hard towards leftist now) who are mostly in it for themselves. Where are visionaries and strong servant leaders when we need them. If dementia Joe dies before the election, we’ll be stuck with Kamala (ygtbsm) to finish out and then an election with Newsom or Buttplug running, which will mean we’re still screwed by incompetence and irrationality.

[Guardian]

Sad ing day when somebody who swore an oath to the Constitution makes it known that they'll vote for a dude who did everything within his power to overthrow a democratic election result, no matter who the alternative is.  Literally declared himself an enemy of the Constitution, but he can still count on your vote.  Some real third world shit-hole stuff right there.
Can't wait for 2027 when he's frothing up his base to abolish the 22nd Amendment so he can die in office like Putin and Xi.  Pathetic.

Troll. Ignore.

[ClearedHot]

10 hours ago, Pooter said:

Wild to see the GOP so utterly captured like this. You have the most beatable opponent in a generation in Joe Biden between the cognitive decline, objectively bad economy, foreign policy disasters, and insane wokeness..

And the presumptive GOP nominee is perhaps the only person on earth more polarizing and less likely to win the general. And the hilarious part people are trying to distance from trump now but that opportunity passed by long ago. The early election denial Rudy/Sidney Powell clown show phase was probably the best opportunity to boot trump out of the mainstream right. But now he has too much momentum and will steamroll people and feed off the smaller fish like he did last time. 
 

Fox even had a chance to bail on trump, and their own internal comms show everyone there thought he was batshit, but they caved to the hardline trump base eventually. It makes me wonder.. fun conspiracy theory here:  do media companies actively conspire to get their political opposition elected? Trump was tv ratings crack for the MSM and I'm sure fox gets a boost when Dems are in charge and they can just rail on whatever the left is pushing at the time. 
 

It would be a smart move by fox. Appease the base by backing trump.. but knowing full well he'll lose the general so you'll get to keep your rail-on-the-current-dem-administration ratings boost. 

Its just as bad on the DNC side, while some dems are criticizing Biden, the rank and file and most especially the donor class is firmly behind Biden.  I find it shameful the DNC has already said there will be no DNC primary debates.  The Biden strategy is clear for the next 18 months...run another "Weekend at Bernies" campaign keeping Joe in the basement and and away from the microphone as much as possible.  Already the fewest press conferences ever for a sitting President, no live debate with any DNC challengers and I bet they are already calculating a way to avoid a debate with Trump should he win the GOP Nom.

[Clark Griswold]

27 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Its just as bad on the DNC side, while some dems are criticizing Biden, the rank and file and most especially the donor class is firmly behind Biden.  I find it shameful the DNC has already said there will be no DNC primary debates.  The Biden strategy is clear for the next 18 months...run another "Weekend at Bernies" campaign keeping Joe in the basement and and away from the microphone as much as possible.  Already the fewest press conferences ever for a sitting President, no live debate with any DNC challengers and I bet they are already calculating a way to avoid a debate with Trump should he win the GOP Nom.

Yup, was commenting to a friend who leans left sorta (last of the scattered tribe of blue dog southern democrats) and telling while I will likely never vote for the Dems, they have viable candidates that can speak in complete coherent sentences and remember what year it is. 

The longer we pretend the emperor is wearing beautiful robes the deeper the belief that our democratic republic is bullshit takes root.  

They (the Dems) could nominate Gavin Newsom, Val Demings or some other mentally competent person that I may not agree with politically but could be plausible alternative to Trumpzilla versus Bernie...

[Lord Ratner]

8 hours ago, Mark1 said:

Literally declared himself an enemy of the Constitution

 

[BashiChuni]

12 hours ago, Pooter said:

You have the most beatable opponent in a generation in Joe Biden between the cognitive decline, objectively bad economy, foreign policy disasters, and insane wokeness..

 

this is a really good point. on paper he is a very beatable opponent

[FLEA]

I've been noticing outlets like CNN and MSNBC are starting to turn on him. Lots of coverage lately about his age. I think the Democrats are probably almost as concerned with Joe Biden running again as they are with Trump running again. 

[Tank]

I’d love to see a Desantis/Haley ticket (or vice versa) for the Rep.  

 

I also agree, I think the Dems are starting to worry about Biden’s health and aren’t exactly onboard with Harris either.  
 

The lead-up to 2024 is going to be very interesting!

[VMFA187]

4 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

Yup, was commenting to a friend who leans left sorta (last of the scattered tribe of blue dog southern democrats) and telling while I will likely never vote for the Dems, they have viable candidates that can speak in complete coherent sentences and remember what year it is. 

The longer we pretend the emperor is wearing beautiful robes the deeper the belief that our democratic republic is bullshit takes root.  

They (the Dems) could nominate Gavin Newsom, Val Demings or some other mentally competent person that I may not agree with politically but could be plausible alternative to Trumpzilla versus Bernie...

Newsome?!

[Clark Griswold]

Newsome?!

I’m not repeat not voting for him if he becomes their nominee but Gov Face Lift Hair Gel is probably their best bet if JB can’t function or it can’t be hidden/denied any longer
If not him I would probably nominate Whitmer if I were a Dem big Whig party boss


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[Biff_T]

Prince Newsom is an extension of bay area royalty.   More of the same shit with a nice use of hair gel.  Biden vs Trump in 24?  JFC who is the running this shit show?  

Out of the two, I'd rather hang out with Trump.  He'd be a good time (sts).  Hanging out with Biden would be as fun as hanging out with Abe Lincoln at Disneyland.  But seriously, I really cant believe these are potentially our only choices.  At least Trump appears to be coherent and his sons appear to not be national security risks.  Good God I hope we can scrounge together a better choice of candidates.  

[FourFans]

2 hours ago, Tank said:

I’d love to see a Desantis/Haley ticket (or vice versa) for the Rep.

 

40 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

Newsome?!

 

32 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

I would probably nominate Whitmer

I present to you the future of American politicis...

[bfargin]

I know he doesn’t have a chance, but Vivek def seems to say the right things.

[slc]

Wu Tang clan anyone??

[Mark1]

18 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

More likely that I don't understand an elementary word definition, or that you've allowed yourself to be so corrupted that you're blind to reality?  It was hard with so many examples to choose from but here's one for my side, so....

[pawnman]

19 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Prince Newsom is an extension of bay area royalty.   More of the same shit with a nice use of hair gel.  Biden vs Trump in 24?  JFC who is the running this shit show?  

Out of the two, I'd rather hang out with Trump.  He'd be a good time (sts).  Hanging out with Biden would be as fun as hanging out with Abe Lincoln at Disneyland.  But seriously, I really cant believe these are potentially our only choices.  At least Trump appears to be coherent and his sons appear to not be national security risks.  Good God I hope we can scrounge together a better choice of candidates.  

Trump would be the huge narcissistic asshole that never shuts up about himself.

I'm hoping we dump Trump and Biden and at least pretend to nominate some competent people.

Edited April 27, 2023 by pawnman

[brabus]

Talked to my father in law yesterday, he’s incredulous at the idea that Biden or any Dem could win. He wants trump. He will not listen that trump = best chance of Dem success. He and people like him will fuck us all over, though under the best of intentions. Emotions on both sides of the spectrum are what landed us in the dumpster fire we’re in. Detach and make rational decisions and we can get ourselves out of this. Both Biden and Trump are irrational picks for different reasons. It’s that simple. 

[DirkDiggler]

13 hours ago, slc said:

Wu Tang clan anyone??

 

[pawnman]

59 minutes ago, brabus said:

Talked to my father in law yesterday, he’s incredulous at the idea that Biden or any Dem could win. He wants trump. He will not listen that trump = best chance of Dem success. He and people like him will fuck us all over, though under the best of intentions. Emotions on both sides of the spectrum are what landed us in the dumpster fire we’re in. Detach and make rational decisions and we can get ourselves out of this. Both Biden and Trump are irrational picks for different reasons. It’s that simple. 

My mother is the same way. She doesn't seem to care that the Dems WANT Trump as the nominee. 

[Pooter]

8 hours ago, Mark1 said:

 

7:44 AM 😂😂😂😂
 

Working in that office must have been bonkers..

Driving to work.. phone starts blowing up 

"oh shit what did he do now"

1hr later

press secretary at an all hands meeting: "he was taking his morning dump and went nuclear on the constitution, how do we spin this"

[Pooter]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

My mother is the same way. She doesn't seem to care that the Dems WANT Trump as the nominee. 

Nothing against anyone's parents (mine are the same way) but I think this shows how emotionally driven the average voter is. The idea of thinking strategically about candidate viability isn't really a thing people do unless they're really into politics or listen to non-mainstream political commentary. 

[Guest nsplayr]

7 hours ago, brabus said:

Both Biden and Trump are irrational picks for different reasons. It’s that simple. 

I'll throw in this opinion...supporting the incumbent President of your preferred party when he's running for reelection is not an irrational pick for relatively party-line voters.

If you are a steady Republican, it made perfect sense to support Trump in 2020. Even if you found him a bit distasteful in 2016 or supported someone else initially in that primary or didn't agree with everything he did in office.

By 2020, he's your party's guy, he's doing Republican things while in office, he's eligible for and interested in being reelected...it's extremely rational for a R voter to punch R again on that ballot. Was he fairly old in 2020? Was he fairly batshit crazy in 2020? I would say yes to both, but I don't begrudge loyal Republicans for voting for Republicans the vast majority of the time, it is what it is.

The exact same rational works for Dems right now. I am a loyal Dem voter and fairly rational.

The emotional thing to do would be to want to jettison an incumbent President who wants to run & is eligible for another term and magically get someone younger & more dynamic. Hell, while I have that magic wand I wanna get rid of Harris too and move on to someone else on the bench (I've listed lost of options I like better before).

BUT, like I said, I'm a relatively rational voter, exactly what you say you want to see. The rational case for a Dem/liberal voter is that Biden is the incumbent, has a track record of winning and governing in a way I generally support, I'm voting for him again in 2024. I do wish he were younger, I would change some policies here and there, I would jettison his VP into the sun and pick a new running mate...but I'm not a wizard, I'm just a guy with one vote and a few dollars here and there to donate.

For my friends on the right, Trump is no longer an incumbent. He has a track record of losing. The GOP should have a real primary for 2024, although TBD because right now Trump is winning very easily.

If y'all want someone else by all means make that happen! I for one as a Democrat do not hope that Trump is the nominee because I think another Trump term would be disastrous for our democratic institutions. He basically was willing to nuke the constitution to stay in office when things didn't go his way and we got saved by the hair on our chins by Mike Pence and some lucky breaks.

Haley, Scott, etc. are fine; I don't "like" them or their policies, but they are normal Republicans that the country is used to. Even DeSantis, who I think sucks very badly, would be better. Best of luck to whatever shreds are left of the anti-Trump right, I legit wish you all luck cleaning up your house.

Edited April 27, 2023 by nsplayr