17D_guy Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Between the two firings, that are now extremely public, how is the CSAF going to have the audacity to say there's no ethical problem within the ranks? These are being discussed in my own little part of the Comm world. This is a real discussion point for use lowly CGOs. Chist.. now I have to document, document, document when I want to fire someone. And do it when I'm a CC just to make sure if I'm relieved of command for no reason I can start a Congressional that'll go nowhere. At least the Maj who created a toxic environment this dude got blamed with will be handled appropriately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Between the two firings, that are now extremely public, how is the CSAF going to have the audacity to say there's no ethical problem within the ranks? At least the Maj who created a toxic environment this dude got blamed with will be handled appropriately. Agreed on the first point. On the second, I'm hoping that's sarcasm, considering this person apparently showboats about the then 18th AF/CC now AMC/CC being his personal mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 These are being discussed in my own little part of the...world. Dear lord...good. The people working out here appreciate it when critical thought gets applied. Just be careful, we don't always know the whole story, so discuss at will...accuse carefully. Chist.. now I have to document, document, document when I want to fire someone. You were, and still are, supposed to do that. Just because he crashes his Porsche... Bendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Oh my, they changed his push line to MAJCOM staff, the horror. We are seriously retarded when we are still inserting secret push line code words into a referral OPR. Interesting that it says he failed to create a good climate...yet he's still #2/9 SQ/CCs. WTF are numbers 3-9 doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Absolutely incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitteEinBit Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 From what I gather, it seems he was given a performance review with the below Draft OPR, then blindsided with the Referral OPR. #1 of 20 SQ/CCs The "People skills unrivaled" is what killed him there. Everyone knows you have to be socially awkward to be a great commander these days. Why in the world would we want commanders with a personality?!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Absolutely incredible. Fear the Rat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach braff Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The comment thread on JQP's blog article about the firing is mind-blowingly amazing - and still going. Highly recommend cooking up some jalapeno popcorn and sitting down for a read.... zb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The comment thread on JQP's blog article about the firing is mind-blowingly amazing - and still going. Highly recommend cooking up some jalapeno popcorn and sitting down for a read.... zb Damn...crazy stuff on those comment threads. You could pitch that sh*t as a reality show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitteEinBit Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 People are getting called out by name. Crazy. What is amazing is that some of those names I haven't seen in a while, but they were trouble makers back when I knew them 5 years ago. The whole thing comes full circle. The AF had probably better fix the perception out there because this will likely make the AF Enquirer since news has been slow lately. I do find it funny about the character assassination attempt by "someone" talking about how the "commander would drink beers and have fun...I didn't realize commanders couldn't drink and have fun anymore (not that you have to drink to have fun). Times have changed...and that is why clubs are failing...but I digress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I didn't realize commanders couldn't drink and have fun anymore (not that you have to drink to have fun). Times have changed...and that is why the Air Force is failing...but I digress FIFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCguy Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 The TFSC gave me a number to some office that was supposedly somewhere in AFMC A1. The number had a DSN prefix that belonged to Scott. I then emailed them back and explained that they sent me to the right office but in the wrong MAJCOM. TFSC rep didn't know that AFMC and AMC were not the same thing. I'm sure glad our AFPC dudes are knowledgable about such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Today I used the MPF at a Marine base and was shocked. I honestly felt like I was in a different military. After weeks of dealing with inept, lazy USAF support personnel and civilians to PCS, I was utterly amazed at the difference in professionalism and work that I saw. I was not in uniform so no indication of rank. Makes me really think the USAF has a SEVERE culture problem (on the support side that is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Makes me really think the USAF has a SEVERE culture problem (on the support side that is) Did you get the memo? If it wasn't for those support folks, we wouldn't even have an Air Force. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Makes me really think the USAF has a SEVERE culture problem (on the support side that is) Meh, we're pretty f'd up on the ops side too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 But at least most guys in Ops know what their job is and how it fits into, or actually is, the mission. If you had asked those Marines how they supported the mission, I bet they could give you clear, concise, and correct answer. Try that at an AF MPF and you'll just get the RCA dog look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCguy Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Answer to above question when I was in MX: Our purpose is to do whatever it takes to get jets ready and meet the flying schedule. Answer to above question in medical: Our purpose is to max out our PT scores and work really hard on rewriting our bullets for awards packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim richalds Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Part of it is our culture, we allow people to get away with shit too much, and pretty soon all our support staff acts like they work at the dmv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrobe Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Answer to above question when I was in MX: Our purpose is to do whatever it takes to get jets ready and meet the flying schedule. Or.....ask a crew when they drop dead before you give an ETIC. And base said ETIC on the drop dead time ...so they have to CNX and no delay code is recorded....OPs CNX And/or....do the above...stare at a jet in the next parking spot...and say we have no spare.... Sorry couldn't help myself...... Hate hate hate Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Hey did I miss the part where we start blaming support for the problems in the AF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Hey did I miss the part where we start blaming support for the problems in the AF? Yeah, that's not right. It's obviously Ops's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 What kills me about MX playing stats games is that those stats should help highlight things like under-manning and acquisitions problems. Guess it's better to hide the problems and kick the can down the road. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 What kills me about MX playing stats games is that those stats should help highlight things like under-manning and acquisitions problems. Guess it's better to hide the problems and kick the can down the road. You mean they don't have a bigger perspective than "it's not our fault"? Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 What kills me about MX playing stats games is that those stats should help highlight things like under-manning and acquisitions problems. Guess it's better to hide the problems and kick the can down the road. THIS. HOLY SHIT, THIS SO FUCKING MUCH, DUDE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I was supposed to fly on Friday but alas, MX couldn't produce a jet. I know they have manning issues, especially 7-Levels, I just hope these problems make it up to AMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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