What's wrong with the Air Force?

[uhhello]

Just now, BashiChuni said:

Yeah no sinister plot when billions of dollars are at play. Big pharma and cdc acting as angels nothing to see here! 

So do your part and argue in good faith with valid statistics.  It's pretty simple.  You lose any and all credibility (and become who you're trying to fight) by not doing due diligence in what you're sharing.  

[BashiChuni]

And you lose all credibility standing behind any vax mandate 

a vax that clearly at best doesn’t do what it’s advertised to do and at worst is having tragic consequences for thousands of people 

[Standby]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

If the data is true, I don’t find the graphic surprising. It makes sense, to me, that the most vulnerable individuals would do everything possible to mitigate their risk of death. The unfortunate reality is that the vaccines are marginally effective and the chance of infection remains high.

[uhhello]

19 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

And you lose all credibility standing behind any vax mandate 

a vax that clearly at best doesn’t do what it’s advertised to do and at worst is having tragic consequences for thousands of people 

You're a clown.  I haven't said anything on the mandate.  I for sure haven't spread "fake news" on it. 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

51 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

Also the vax was PROMISED to prevent “severe illness or death” 

 

which clearly is false. 

Yeah. Welp. And I was promised condoms prevent pregnancy. BRB, gotta change another diaper. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Hugo Stiglitz

[BashiChuni]

3 hours ago, uhhello said:

You're a clown.  I haven't said anything on the mandate.  I for sure haven't spread "fake news" on it. 

nice attack. put the beer down and keep it civil. i was speaking generally.

no fake news about what i wrote. people are dying in significant numbers who are vaxed/boosted. and that destroys the entire argument for mandatory vaxes and ridiculous rules which wrecked hundreds of thousands of lives.

[BashiChuni]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah. Welp. And I was promised condoms prevent pregnancy. BRB, gotta change another diaper. 

can't just laugh that off. that promise was the basis for vax discrimination which ruined hundreds of thousands of lives. and still is!

there need to be consequences. i'm glad you can be so nonchalant.

if you got medically fucked up by taking a mandatory vax and consequently told you'd never fly again in the AF and never hold a class I physical I think your thought process would be radically different.

i'm happy it didn't happen to you.

Edited October 8, 2022 by BashiChuni

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah. Welp. And I was promised condoms prevent pregnancy. BRB, gotta change another diaper. 

I would trust wearing a condom to prevent getting someone pregnant just a little more than I would trust that the covid vaccine would keep me from getting covid.

[Boomer6]

The apologists did not disappoint.

[MCO]

3 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

The apologists did not disappoint.

Neither did the vax haters

[ClearedHot]

State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo Issues New mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance

This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks.

As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision.

[Boomer6]

12 minutes ago, MCO said:

Neither did the vax haters

[Biff_T]

10 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

if you got medically ed up by taking a mandatory vax and consequently told you'd never fly again in the AF and never hold a class I physical I think your thought process would be radically different.

People I know got medically "fcked up" with ptsd from doing mandatory deployments and having friends eat it from flying into the ground.  Those people have lost their ability to get a FAA physical as well (AF lets some people fly with PTSD, FAA requires an expensive waiver that is mostly disapproved).  We all made sacrifices in the military. 

I agree that the Covid vaccine is bullshit.   I also realize the military makes us all do things that could potentially harm us or others (sometimes against our faith or morals).  That's part of the fun.  

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Biff_T
Ingles es muy duro.

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo Issues New mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance

This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks.

As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision.

84% increase!

for a virus that is statistically irrelevant for that age group. 
 

vax mandates should be dropped immediately. It’s all about $$$$$$

[Lord Ratner]

12 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

nice attack. put the beer down and keep it civil. i was speaking generally.

Here's an attack, if you wish to interpret it as such.

90% of your posts make you sound like a moron or a Karen. You are a detriment to any cause you support, which annoys me because I agree with most of your underlying points.

 

But you're the shittiest spokesperson imaginable. It's to the point I wouldn't be half surprised if you were actually Donald Trump's secret baseops account.

[TreeA10]

I think as we get further from this COVID thing and politics take a backseat, the numbers related to injury from the vaccine will not be something the pharma folks will want to talk about. 

[Blue]

2 hours ago, Biff_T said:

I agree that the Covid vaccine is bullshit.   I also realize the military makes us all do things that could potentially harm us or others (sometimes against our faith or morals).  That's part of the fun.  

In theory, when the military makes people do things that could potentially cause them harm, there is some larger goal (supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and all that good stuff).

Have yet to see what the larger goal was with the Covid vax for the military.  Sure hasn't seemed to do anything for military readiness.

On the other hand, sure has been a good method of clearing all the non-believers out of the force.  Maybe the Covid vax was nothing more than some loyalty test all along.

[SocialD]

39 minutes ago, Blue said:

Have yet to see what the larger goal was with the Covid vax for the military.  Sure hasn't seemed to do anything for military readiness.

 

 

This!   The DOD needs to just move on from this shit.  99.9% of my base being vaxed didn't stop the multiple outbreaks we had post vaxings.  In the case of the above posted article, it may have directly contributed to the death of an otherwise healthy pilot.  It sounds like that unit has a quite a few pilots who are not vaxed.  Doesn't seem to be impacting them all that much... 

Edited October 8, 2022 by SocialD

[Hugo Stiglitz]

13 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

can't just laugh that off

Sure I can. Don’t be so emo. 

[SurelySerious]

It's to the point I wouldn't be half surprised if you were actually Donald Trump's Top secret but I thought about declassifying it so it isn’t classified baseops account.

FIFY

[ThreeHoler]

if you got medically ed up by taking a mandatory vax and consequently told you'd never fly again in the AF and never hold a class I physical I think your thought process would be radically different.
i'm happy it didn't happen to you.

I’m lazy and don’t have time to chase down possible bullshit on the internet…where are the stories of being ed up by the vaccine and losing an AF medical?

[pawnman]

4 hours ago, Blue said:

In theory, when the military makes people do things that could potentially cause them harm, there is some larger goal (supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and all that good stuff).

Have yet to see what the larger goal was with the Covid vax for the military.  Sure hasn't seemed to do anything for military readiness.

On the other hand, sure has been a good method of clearing all the non-believers out of the force.  Maybe the Covid vax was nothing more than some loyalty test all along.

There was at the time. Even if it didn't kill you, CDC was recommending 10 days of isolation. Not to mention isolating close contacts for a week. 

Then there are the political considerations. Not the left-right politics... the politics of being able to move US military members into countries with full-on vaccine mandates for travelers. Sure, you could probably seek a waiver, but that's all time and effort you don't want to spend when you're scrambling to rapidly deploy assets across the globe. 

Do I think we could drop it now? Probably. Do I think people still refusing the vaccine over something petty like the wrong brand name are more likely to be troublemakers than people with actual sincere beliefs? Absolutely. 

Gonna be a moot point as this crop separates and/or retires. Current recruiting guidance is no vaccine, no enlistment/ commission. AFROTC won't even consider unvaccinated cadets for a commissioning slot. They can participate the first two years, then be on their way. 

[Blue]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

something petty like the wrong brand name 

🙄  

I suppose people have wildly differing opinions on what constitutes "petty"..........

Either way, I am enthused about this latest development.  The leaves are falling, there is a brisk chill in the air, and the yearly Covid-related internet arguments are beginning anew. 

As much of a Fall tradition as when I pull in all my outdoor furniture for the season, and find the underside of one of the cushions full of black mold. 

Or how the leaves fall off the trees, allowing me to see my mentally-unhinged elderly neighbor who likes to walk around naked in front of his open living room window.

Glorious, glorious, propaganda and absurdity-filled Fall.  How I missed ye!

Edited October 8, 2022 by Blue

[Blue]

2 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

I’m lazy and don’t have time to chase down possible bullshit on the internet…where are the stories of being ed up by the vaccine and losing an AF medical?

 

Well, the OK ANG pilot (referenced several posts back), who keeled over with a heart attack after the vax presumably lost his medical.  Due to being dead and all.

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Current recruiting guidance is no vaccine, no enlistment/ commission. AFROTC won't even consider unvaccinated cadets for a commissioning slot. They can participate the first two years, then be on their way. 

I will be very interested to see if this policy is sustainable the next few years. Almost none of the kids starting fall 2023 freshman year of college with my son are vaccinated.  As colleges are rapidly dropping their mandates, the incentive for a fit 18-year-old in peak shape to take something which provides zero protection and potentially damages his heart forever just isn’t there.  This policy reduces the pool of available candidates, which ultimately is detrimental to national security