What's wrong with the Air Force?

[ThreeHoler]

I don't even know what cisgender means?  This is ridiculous.  Who makes up all of those categories?   I suffer from a condition that makes me like bigs tits.  I shall call this disease "big-tittiesgood".   Is that OK?  

If you’re a man, with a penis, and you like women with those assets…then you’re a cisgender man.

[pawnman]

5 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Exhibit 2:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-academy-promotes-fellowship-bans-cisgender-men-this-program-isnt-for-you

If it's a scholarship program with money and/or career advancement attached... just identify as "gender fluid" and say "today I'm a man" during your meetings with the advisors. 

[dream big]

33 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

If you’re a man, with a penis, and you like women with those assets…then you’re a cisgender man.

 

So… normal dude? 

[Danger41]

As Norm MacDonald said, cis is a way of marginalizing a normal person.

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, dream big said:

So… normal dude? 

Correct. You are now discriminated against based on your gender.  If you are white, you are now discriminated against based on your skin color.  Obviously, the only way to get rid of racism and bigotry is more racism and bigotry. 

In other news, I highly recommend "Undaunted Life" a podcast for men, about men, by a man who is unapologetically a Christian man.  No stones are left unturned.  Not for the faint of heart.

Edited September 23, 2022 by FourFans130

[kaputt]

[HuggyU2]

Exhibit 3:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash

[HeloDude]

22 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

Exhibit 3:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash

How long before they get rid of the term/rank “Airman”?

[Biff_T]

28 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

Exhibit 3:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash

"If you are a cisgender woman, a transgender woman, non-binary, agender, bigender, two-spirit, demigender, genderfluid, genderqueer, or another form of gender minority, this program is for you,"

"Genderfluid" sounds like something that people on a porn set have to wipe up with a rag.  

I can't imagine telling someone that I'm "two-spirit" without offending native Americans.  

How did this ridiculousness become mainstream?   I truly don't understand the need to push this agenda.  It is like watching our country turn into a 90s Jerry Springer show.  

To the Generals who think that this environment will make a better warfighter, you have lost focus.  Xi thanks you for ruinining our military with this garbage!  

 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Biff_T

[Bigred]

1 minute ago, HeloDude said:

How long before they get rid of the term/rank “Airman”?

Around 2016 the Navy tried getting rid of all job titles with ‘man’ in them, bucking 200+ years of tradition. It was quickly rescinded as the outrage from the enlisted was enormous. 
 

 

[dream big]

45 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

Exhibit 3:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-brass-say-little-woke-initiatives-backlash

Gina Ortiz, Chief Bass, CQ Brown… OF COURSE they support this woke crap. The lower echelons also didn’t get to where they were by being yes men/women/whatever gender pronoun they have in their signature block. Does it get better…or is it here to stay, something to adapt to and work with? 
 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke.
I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait.

[HeloDude]

28 minutes ago, Bigred said:

Around 2016 the Navy tried getting rid of all job titles with ‘man’ in them, bucking 200+ years of tradition. It was quickly rescinded as the outrage from the enlisted was enormous. 
 

 

Big difference from even 2016 to 2022.

If you can’t say “guys” when referencing a group of people, then how can you call someone an “Airman” who isn’t a man?  Or who at least doesn’t “identify with being a man”? 

[Biff_T]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke.
I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait.

Have fun calling people "Genderfluid".   Tell me again how this kills more bad guys?

[dream big]

32 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke.
I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait.

Your head is buried up you know where if you think this is just talked about in a CBT. A former Squadron Commander forced their Flight CCs to take part in a book club on “White Fragility”, open your eyes dude. 
 

Damn autocorrect 

Edited September 24, 2022 by dream big

[HuggyU2]

Hugo, even if Tucker brings it up... it's either true or it's not.  

If it's true... and even if the cadets ignore it... it is a very concerning shift of the AF Culture for many people.  

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t know, some of y’all’s ability to get triggered by a random CBT slide is impressive. I can personally attest to a career’s-worth of completing CBTs and having no idea what was in them, but maybe I’m the weird one. Still I’d wager that 99% of cadets would’ve already forgotten about it too other than now their great uncle who fought in ‘Nam is emailing them demanding to know why the hell they’ve gone woke.
I get that Tucker keeps bringing this stuff up to get us all in a froth but oof, it’s gotta just be exhausting repeatedly taking that bait.

If the CBT is forgettable, let’s not do it.  If it’s genuine, our elected leaders have a duty to debate the content before new ideology is mandated upon the force.  Either way, how am I “taking the bait?”  Your commentary is logically incoherent.
 

And nice dig at a past generation of war fighters who answered the nations call.  Nothing makes your point more convincing than disparaging those who went before us🙄

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Nah, you guys are just confusing my apathy for opposition. But I’m still reading your measured responses and promise as soon as my lightbulb goes on that this is a national emergency and not just some anecdote that’s getting blown out of proportion then I’ll be fangs out too.
In both the unit and the airline I’m yet to have a single person tell me their preferred pronoun, but daily I’m listening to someone’s rant about wokeness, so I guess my perspective of what we’re spending too much time talking about differs from y’all. 

5 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Have fun calling people "Genderfluid".   Tell me again how this kills more bad guys?

I don’t plan to, so I just…won’t. No objection to the “won’t kill more bad guys” sentiment though.

5 hours ago, dream big said:

A former Squadron Commander forced their Flight CCs to take part in a book club on “White Fragility”

I had a former squadron commander tell me it was more important to go to SOS than IPUG. CCs say dumb stuff all the time. And if that gets under the skin of a Flt/CC then maybe they’re being too, uh, fragile. 

4 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

If it's true... and even if the cadets ignore it... it is a very concerning shift of the AF Culture for many people.

You’re right it is true, but lots of things are simultaneously true while also not being that big of a deal. Where did the leap occur that a single slide titled “What Can I Do?” is the same thing as a concerning AF culture shift? We’ve all complained for years that the suicide awareness training hasn’t done anything to stem suicides, and I’ll be the first to confess that if I ingested a biological agent my 80% SABC test score wouldn’t save my bacon….why are we running with pitchforks to the internet as if this is any different? 
 

3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

If the CBT is forgettable, let’s not do it.  If it’s genuine, our elected leaders have a duty to debate the content before new ideology is mandated upon the force.

Amen to your first sentence. Second one is interesting. Could be wrong but I’m unaware of politicians having a direct hand in debating and deciding on our courseware slides. You’re in favor of that though? I see unintended consequences of setting that precedent.

3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

And nice dig at a past generation of war fighters who answered the nations call.

I never intended a dig and upon further reflection still don’t see where the disparagement of those who answered the call occurred, but I’ll apologize for however you took it. Would you feel less sensitive if I changed it to “great aunt who retired from Wells Fargo?” Kind of have to tip my hat to the irony of you reading into my words and getting offended by something I neither outright said nor intended though. Maybe someone should put together some training so I can recognize inadvertent microaggressions and avoid triggering any groups? Oof!

Edited September 24, 2022 by Hugo Stiglitz

[kaputt]

Ignore and downplay this garbage at your own peril. This is not some annoying side show of worthless CBTs. 
 

Ever since 2020 and George Floyd the extreme far left is not afraid to show that a pillar of their political agenda is racial and identity politics. These people are now in positions of power all over the govt and the DoD. They are not doing this out of some goodwill gesture to have a more accepting military force. These folks hate the military; the entire mil structure is a giant sucking chest wound of money that they believe would be better served being poured into social programs. What better way to weaken an entity you hate than degrade it by instilling and indoctrinating as many people to your agenda as possible while simultaneously turning off the main base of talent that the military used to recruit from. 
 

A chief of diversity for the Pentagon has legitimately and openly racist tweets from not that long ago towards white people. This is not some FoxNews fantasy, it’s really happening.

[Biff_T]

Hugo, they are going to make you say (perhaps drink) genderfluid. Either big blue or the airlines.  Both places have ways to make you conform.  

Wait until it becomes a hate crime to call someone the wrong pronoun.  

It looks like wokeness has changed to the AF's number one priority. Once again, why?  

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Biff_T
Not Exec

[Danger41]

I think the “why” with a lot of these life changes is that folks at varying levels of authority think this is the way this country is going. A small, vocal, lunatic fringe wants to go this way and they know how to amplify their voice via social media and other key areas. However, the VAST majority of people don’t care for this stuff. Has anyone ever met a chick that actually cares if the group is addressed as “guys”? I’ve flown with several gay folks and they never made the slightest bit of a deal out of any of this stuff. 
 

Honestly, the root cause of alot of this is well intentioned (but wacky) liberal, upper class white women. This is not a new phenomenon. They’re so sure they’re championing marginalized communities (Latinx anyone?) that they can’t be bothered to actually learn anything about the issues. I knew this was all bullshit when we had the meetings after George Floyd and I took it upon myself to try to really learn about the issues. I brought up discussions of civil rights going back to the Civil War up through Malcolm X vs MLK Jr, recidivism with black men, war on drugs, crack cocaine epidemic and the effects on the above, disenfranchisement, etc and got blank stares. Someone brought up “white people bad” and we were back on timeline. 
 

Bottom line, educate yourself on this stuff and you’ll learn something and also realize how much of our national discourse is fueled by the sound byte and online engagement. But that’s not where real people actually exist.

[SumPoorBastard]

I've been floating around baseops for a while and now figure I can speak to the fox news article. First this isn't something new this year we have had these diversity and inclusion briefs/discussions at the academy for a few years but it sounds like now someone decided to leak the stuff to the press. I can say that when this stuff happens 69% of cadets don't agree but also don't dare to speak up, because how dare you contradict the gospel in front of someone who believes it (especially leadership) and don't be the douche who makes a brief go longer than needed. But behind closed doors most people don't believe it, agree that it is stupid a waist of time and possibly more divisive than cohesive. 

Most cadets are not buying in to this but they know the thing to do is just nod your head and stay out of the spotlight.   

[Biff_T]

This whole thing is happening because everyone thinks it's not a big deal.  It's pure insanity.  What's next?  

[Guardian]

Now, we must all fear evil men, but there is another kind of evil, which we must fear most, and that is, the indifference of good men

[Biff_T]