BB Stacker Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 And if you don't do the correspondence piece? It's only as retarded as you allow it (by playing along) to be. New concept for SNCO PME is that the correspondence piece (Course 14) is complimentary, not redundant, with the in residence piece (SNCOA). So in theory there should be minimal overlap between the two courses because SNCOA should be building on Course 14, not regurgitating the same stuff. I can't speak to the reality, but that's the theory. Because of this there's a requirement to have Course 14 done prior to attending SNCOA in residence, since in theory with the new construct you won't be fully qualified to attend SNCOA without having (the new) Course 14 complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seriously Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Didn't it use to be that officers were the ones that came up with the bullshit and SNCOs were the crusty old dudes who knew exactly how to cut through the bullshit and get the job done? wtf happened? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 A bunch of Chiefs became E-9s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 A bunch of Chiefs became E-9s. More like a bunch of Colonels became O-6s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 A bunch of Chiefs thinking they are Colonels..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Finkle is einhorn, einhorn is finkle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Wow... This is just plain sad. Wrong study guides sent for Course 15 http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2014/12/08/wrong-study-guides-sent-course/20082973/ Of course they aren't cutting slack. That would imply that someone admitted they were wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Not sure exactly what's wrong with the AF but here's an example of what was right about it from back in the day. Mission first, bureaucratic bullshit second. Spies Helped the USAF Shoot Down a Third of North Vietnam’s MiG-21s The American pilots had to keep the NSA in the dark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The AF weighs option of hiring contractors for the aggressor mission. The U.S. Air Force fleet of planes and pilots is stretched so thin, the service is considering hiring private military corporations flying supersonic jets to train its fighter jocks in mock air combat. The Air Force is being forced to consider such desperate measures because it doesn’t have enough fighter jets and trained aircrew to fly missions where they would simulate enemy warplanes—also called “red air” in military slang. Due to budget cuts and investments in ultra-expensive gear, the Air Force was forced to disband one of its three so-called Aggressor squadrons that fly frontline jets like the Boeing F-15C Eagle and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon that are painted in enemy colors and use enemy tactics. The reason for the new initiative? Pure desperation, say more than a half-dozen senior Air Force officials. “The red air situation is a mess,” one senior Air Force told The Daily Beast. “There are Band-Aid fixes being applied to areas around the community, but it’s not enough.” It’s a sign of the system-wide stress the Air Force is now under. Thirteen years of war, combined with unwise investments in underperforming stealth jets, has put the service in a bind. There just aren’t enough planes—or pilots—on hand to fulfill the Air Force’s many missions. “Demand for our services is way, way up. But we are meeting those demands today with the smallest Air Force in our history,” Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James told reporters Jan. 15. “And when you couple that smaller force against the backdrop of austere budgets, and with the huge demand, what we have is we have a total force that is under significant strain.” As for outsourcing red air, not everyone is sold on the move—but most agree the Air Force has little choice. “The short answer is that contractor-provided red air is overpriced and underwhelming, but at the end of the day there isn’t much choice in utilizing it,” another senior Air Force official told The Daily Beast. The Air Force is soliciting pricing information for how much it would cost for contractors to fly 180 training sorties over a two-week period later this year. “Although this is a one-time trial, there is potential for this trial to grow into multiple requests per year or an annual contract for X number of weeks of support throughout the year,” reads an Air Force document posted on the government’s Federal Business Opportunities website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The AF weighs option of hiring contractors for the aggressor mission. Seems like a good idea to me to partially solve the 11F mess. I'm not sure why contractor-flown red air has to be "underwhelming." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Seems like a good idea to me to partially solve the 11F mess. I'm not sure why contractor-flown red air has to be "underwhelming." Agreed. My question, though, is how this would save money. Save 11F bodies to fill other billets, sure--but save money? I doubt it, at least not in anything less than a complete actuarial sense--and probably not even then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Agreed. My question, though, is how this would save money. Save 11F bodies to fill other billets, sure--but save money? I doubt it, at least not in anything less than a complete actuarial sense--and probably not even then.... I think it would. Every mil that you flip over to a contractor means less base-support needed. Let the contractor handle dental plans, flight records, HR, etc. Not only are our long-term costs expensive, the AF's "overhead rate" is wildly expensive. The real problem comes in the colors of money. We'll be asking ACC to pay up as part of their operations bill as opposed to having some of the costs hidden deep in the MilPers fund or base operating support costs. The funding levers just don't shift that easily, so likely ACC is eating it somewhere else. *This conversation is a sign that I've been in the AF for way too long.... Edited January 21, 2015 by Dupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Seems like a good idea to me to partially solve the 11F mess. I'm not sure why contractor-flown red air has to be "underwhelming." I think the "underwhelming" part is that the best contractor-provided red air I'd going to be an A-4 with a few gee-whiz upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I think the "underwhelming" part is that the best contractor-provided red air I'd going to be an A-4 with a few gee-whiz upgrades. My impression of the article was that this was GOCO: Government-owned, contractor operated. A contractor would operate AF-owned F-16s over a two week period. Here's what came out of ACC: Head Quarters Air Combat Command desires a ROM to acquire commercial air services adversary air support training ("Red Air" or Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training) from 4th generation fighter aircraft capable of Mach 1.0+ and equipped with: Radar, Radar Warning Receivers (RWR), and Electronic Attack (EA) systems. Desired level of support: - 10x8 support for a two week period (10 flying days) (180 sorties) at Nellis AFB - 1.5 planned ASD sorties to support a 45 minute vulnerability window - Ability to flex flying window to support AF requirements not to exceed a 12 hour daily flying window. - All aircrew must have a minimum Secret clearance and current SSBI investigation - Provide necessary personnel, transportation, maintenance support, and supplies I don't see how industry would spin-up for a two week push, then spin down again. There needs to be the promise of on-going work. Edited January 21, 2015 by Dupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I don't see how industry would spin-up for a two week push, then spin down again. There needs to be the promise of on-going work. Been contracting for awhile, no way I would sign on for this, it will take just 4 weeks to get boots on the ground after 6 months just recruiting guys with the skill set to do this, plus who is going to spend the money for 2 weeks for pilots type cert. It has to be 2 years with year to year options. Since I don't wear stripes anymore you got to pay me big to sign on for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvlax40 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 is this not something that could be shifted to reserve/guard units first? the reserve guys get proficiency, the AF gets lower overhead agressor squadrons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm guessing a lot of commenters don't actually know what aggressors squadrons do, should do, and used to do. The red air aspect is only a small part of the overall job. Damn near anyone can fly red air to varying degrees of effectiveness. Aggressor squadrons are different for a reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 To add to the list: -Duty titles that include the words "Assistant Deputy..." -Random exec/aide taskings from the AFPC robot with requirements/preferences for WOs. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC5Wes Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The 64th and 65th AGRS had Traditional and ART Reservists from the 926th Group the two years I was there. My first and only TFI unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'm guessing a lot of commenters don't actually know what aggressors squadrons do, should do, and used to do. The red air aspect is only a small part of the overall job. Damn near anyone can fly red air to varying degrees of effectiveness. Aggressor squadrons are different for a reason. Besides adding CGO & FGO numbers to support strats of WIC instructors, 422 dudes, and T-birds, I'm not sure I understand why aggressors must be military. Contracting out, creating more technician spots, or making GS positions all seem like valid ways to fill the aggressor need while mitigating the very real 11F manpower problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I was thinking there were TTP's and intel on the enemy the aggressors had that normal's didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Know the threat, teach the threat, replicate the threat. That is the mission. There have been and still are Aggressors serving in TFI units in the 57th ATG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 http://hamptonroads.com/node/741563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) http://hamptonroads.com/node/741563WTF? What role playing were they doing that led to this? Edited January 24, 2015 by Herk Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 WTF? What role playing were they doing that led to this? And it's an AE SQ at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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