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Well guys, thanks for the support. I used to view this forum as a place to get the kind of honest feedback and insight that senior leadership refuses to give you in person. But I guess we're down to mocking anyone who wants to get promoted and/or stay in the Air Force one day past their ADSC. And we wonder why so few good people become senior leaders. I submit that part of the reason is that we heap scorn on anyone who wants to be senior leaders, so the "good dudes" feel like that can't remain good dudes and play the promotion game. Sorry for responding to a direct question with a direct answer. Good luck to those who want to get promoted, and good luck to those who want out as soon as possible. I don't understand why any of you continue to encourage people to join on the other parts of the forum.

Hey Bashi - Go fuck yourself. Here we are trying to compare records, trying to decipher the promotion system, trying to honestly answer the questions we're asked, and you want to shit on people who put their cards in the table.

He was asked a question, and he answered it. As someone who has been around for a while, I didn't see a problem with his response.

FWIW, an FGO submitting themselves for OTQ/OTY awards would be a mark against them on any rack & stack I’m involved in. I understand the logic, and I think it’s good to keep a list of things you’ve done in case your boss asks for some bullets. However, what mission relevant task aren’t you doing while you spend time writing a 1206 for yourself? Which of your people aren’t you putting in for awards while you craft one on yourself? I understand that our shitty system makes self-promotion attractive, but it’s a foul and I actively discourage it. You want to get attention? Submit 4 x 1206s on other people every quarter for a year. Do one on someone you don’t supervise but notice doing an awesome job. Invest your time building other folks up. That will get you noticed positively. This isn’t a spear at Pawnman or anyone else. I get it. Just offering you some outside feedback on unintended consequences.

Hopefully you put yourself in for a bunch of awards.

Managing a relationship with a difficult ally isn’t doing their homework; it’s doing the hard work of diplomacy. An approach that includes exclusion to punish would have to be gradual and the intent explicit. Applying pressure using the F-35 program is a great place to start, but a path to improved relations and should be spelled out and actively broadcast to the Turkish people (with or without the participation of their government). Don’t forget that Erdogan’s rise is the result of a not unpopular movement looking to course correct from the reforms of Ataturk. IMO: Drastic action that results in a sudden loss of economic and physical security cedes to Erdogan control of the internal messaging and is likely to look more like a rise in anti-American sentiment, autocracy, and wheelbarrows of money than a trend towards stability.

Finally this thread got worth reading. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

All this shit tossing is bullshit. I posted my PRF earlier in this thread complete with a bunch of awards in it with a P. I’m certainly not an HPO or anything other than someone who got a P. I submitted 1206s on myself for awards when I felt competitive so flame all you want on me. I standby what Pawn was saying... the rest of yourselves can go get ed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

First of all, Pawnman was just simply answering someone else's question about his record, and he got unfairly lumped in with the other poster, who always sounds like he is trolling or humble bragging. Pawnman has been around for a while and has contributed greatly here. I tend to concur with you; however, in other career fields, you can be seen as a scumbag for repeatedly not submitting your own package when there are calls for nominations. Your boss is typically too busy with his own job to actually know what everyone does or submit his folks. I haven't met an O6 that will actively mentor his people or submit them for anything. It's not right, but it is what it is. So by not submitting yourself, you are killing your own chance to be competitive. In the past, I've been at units, where leadership decides who to submit depending based on popularity contest or if they had a shot at the HPO on-ramp, regardless of job performance. And just to be clear, when we say FGO OTQ/OTY, we are talking about at the O4 level.

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Little, if any. The walrus was an NG exec. James was SAIC and United Tech. Wynne was G-D. Don’t care as long as they keep their allegiance straight.

Agreed. Erdogen doesn’t get to explain “why we broke up” to anybody but his people, but those people will buy his reasoning with far more trust than they will the reasons as broadcast by outside western media. They will simply see the “oppressive sanctions” and other negative motivations as reinforcement that Erdogens message is correct. The US is trying to bully them into acting the way we see fit. To the Nationalist/religiously conservative crowds that support him, that will be red meat to rally against us and push further power and influence toward the crazies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’d say your odds are pretty decent for 1 below. Ours went up blank with a “P” if leadership didn’t feel we had a chance, so if yours went up filled out and with a “DP” you’re not wrong in being “cautiously optimistic”. Plus, unless there’s a big shake-up (regime change, UIF, etc) before your IPZ package is submitted, you should still get a solid push in the zone as well.

I’m with you Pawnman — there’s at least one more dude on here (me) that wants to get promoted. 1BPZ this year with a DP....cautiously optimistic. I was put in for a few FGO awards in my time as a Major but have never won anything. I’m at a Joint Command...I sense the awards go to the people who they think may need the help but that could be incorrect. What I do know is I don’t have so much as an FGO of the quarter to my name. Hope that doesn’t burn me IPZ if I don’t make it this year.

Tactical Void, I submitted a letter to the company requesting approval to work theee additional jobs on the side. None involve me flying. It was approved.

Looks like Danerys took a page out of the ‘Curtis Lemay’s method of attacking a city’ playbook.

It is cost prohibitive to upgrade 2B jets, so they’re stuck at that s/w. We badly need 5th gen aggressors. This is actually a great 2-birds-with-one-stone play. No raptors were made perma-NMC by Michael. We need every raptor we can get doing the combat or training mission.

Damn someone leaked pawnman's PRF sitdown debrief with the boss.... too soon? 😁

That sounds like an unfortunate deformity. I mean... damn. I feel like we should start a go-fund-‘em

No, I think my P was a consequence of my WG/CC having zero DPs to give. If he thought I was a douche, I don't think I would have gotten a top 10% FGO strat or a "Super P".

Mentored to be like the current crop of yes men with a additional learning experience in how ass backwards leadership priorities really are....

I was in one of the last UPT classes with the white helmets 86-87.. Part of UPT tradition was we designed a class patch, and also a class Helmet design. Nobody flew with a plain white helmet.

IMA Recruiter: "Hey, NGB, I'm hurting on my quarterly numbers. Think you can hook a brotha up?" NGB: "Yeah, sure, watch this."

Yeah, tens of people love Eielson.

This cleared up all of my in processing questions, great overview of what to expect.

And then post in this post for everyone else.

Exhibit A why good dudes are leaving in droves and why the system is horribly broken. The only winning move is to not play. And spot on to Tacairlifter’s post. And I appreciate the neg reps it lowered me to “777”...keep that lucky number boys!!!

Pawnman can you tell us more about how great your record is? - baseops

i think i made up a new word...."record-cock"

Damn dude I’m not the one who gave you the “P” chill out compare records all you want... but you come off as a huge tool every time you stroke your own record-cock on here