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Want to slash American carbon?  Build nuclear power plants.  

When MSNBC announced Trump's win in Iowa, there was an audible grunt from Rachel Madow. By the sound of it, she apparently sat on her sack wrong. Happens to the best of us.

You've made 8000 posts in this thread.  At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds.  Your position is well established.  Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to pr

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32 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

Biden wins. Trump has/will win GA, NC, and PA. He must then win either MI or WI and will win neither. 

The plus side is I think this buys more for Conservatives in the long term like the article someone posted here (I think.) Fortunately Conservatives maintain control of the Senate which means Biden/Kamala can't really accomplish much of their leftist agenda. But in two and four years there will be a big swing back right from what is arguably already center, which shows how biased the MSM is. 

Trump could still win with the courts. Not feeling too great about it but he could also technically win PA and NV but I'm not holding my breathe. 

 

Your second comment is interesting though. If it is true that AZ trended blue this cycle, I think TX will follow for 2024. What can conservatives do after AZ and TX are blue off the starting line? Conservatives concede abortion? Amnesty? Guns? Won't that pretty much be the end of conservatives? 

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53 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

Biden wins. Trump has/will win GA, NC, and PA. He must then win either MI or WI and will win neither. 

The plus side is I think this buys more for Conservatives in the long term like the article someone posted here (I think.) Fortunately Conservatives maintain control of the Senate which means Biden/Kamala can't really accomplish much of their leftist agenda. But in two and four years there will be a big swing back right from what is arguably already center, which shows how biased the MSM is. 

It looks like we are in for an extremely weak federal government. Biden presidency with hardly any mandate, and he will have his hands tied by the Republican Senate and a small Democrat majority in the house.

I doubt we'll see much legislative action from either party for the next 2 years at least.  This is probably why Facebook stock is soaring today.

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57 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

Trump could still win with the courts. Not feeling too great about it but he could also technically win PA and NV but I'm not holding my breathe. 

 

Your second comment is interesting though. If it is true that AZ trended blue this cycle, I think TX will follow for 2024. What can conservatives do after AZ and TX are blue off the starting line? Conservatives concede abortion? Amnesty? Guns? Won't that pretty much be the end of conservatives? 

Amnesty for illegal immigrants would be my pick if I were running the party.  Trade border security for a path to legalization for anyone already here.  Carve out restrictions for people with convictions for violent crime.  Pair it with an immigration system that makes it faster, cheaper, and easier to enter the US legally, instead of the years-long bureaucratic nightmare we have now.

I'd probably also concede the abortion thing.  Roe V Wade was, what, 50 years ago?  That law is settled.  Stop alienating new people by continuing to attack it.  Attack the funding, sure...but stop trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle.  It's not going to happen.

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23 minutes ago, TheLaughingCow said:

It looks like we are in for an extremely weak federal government. Biden presidency with hardly any mandate, and he will have his hands tied by the Republican Senate and a small Democrat majority in the house.

I doubt we'll see much legislative action from either party for the next 2 years at least.  This is probably why Facebook stock is soaring today.

If Biden does win this election, as it is looking like he will, this should be a wake up call for legislators of all stripes. Yes, Trump managed to effectively mobilize his base, but the majority of the country does not want a bombastic pathological liar in the White House. Great. However, as you mentioned, if Biden wins it will be by a very slim margin. Hardly a mandate as you say. It looks like Dems will at best eke out a tie in the senate and not much will change in the house. 
 

I’ll be honest; I was hoping for voters to punish the Republican Party for their unabashed support of Trump and force the party into introspection and change over the next four years. That didn’t happen. The American people have indicated they are not willing to give the Democrats a free hand to pursue what many fear will be radical policies. Fair enough. The message is, then, we’re done with Donald Trump but that doesn’t mean we’re ready for Bernie style “Democratic Socialism”. What the American people need now is for the parties to take a step back and understand that the “mandate” from the voters this time around is that we need them to find a way to cooperate and compromise. We are such an equally divided country it’s time to realize that a razor thin political advantage does not equal a mandate. The only way forward is to recognize the legitimacy and desires of the other side and try to find common ground wherever it exists. 
 

Am I hopeful that will happen? Not really. If Trump loses he will litigate as long as he can and will continue to whine about it until the day he dies. Many, many of his supporters will eat it up and the US Government will be forever illegitimate in their eyes. Not good. The only truly positive change I think will take place will be the fact that we won’t have a president who constantly attempts to inflame the American population. It’s a start I guess. 

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Sadly there aren’t many humans worse than Biden / Harris. Sadly a lot of the country is voting for emotion and their dislike of trump. Not based on his record vs Biden’s. Very scary. Would I rather trump be a gentlemen like Ronnie? Yeah. But what he has done for our country in four years has been amazing in a very positive way.

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5 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

biden is a moderate democrat who hasn't rocked the boat for 40+ years

 

I'm not worried about him. He's going to get bullied by his party's radical left.

That’s the elephant in the room isn’t it? If Biden wins he will be 25th amendment’d out in place of Kamala.  She’s probably laughing like a Hyena right now.  Not over yet though. 

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30 minutes ago, dream big said:

That’s the elephant in the room isn’t it? If Biden wins he will be 25th amendment’d out in place of Kamala.  She’s probably laughing like a Hyena right now.  Not over yet though. 

i'm not even worried about her. its the radical element of the party that will have influence (warren, sanders, AOC(super hot, great rack))

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That’s the elephant in the room isn’t it? If Biden wins he will be 25th amendment’d out in place of Kamala.  She’s probably laughing like a Hyena right now.  Not over yet though. 


If this here happens I can see Kampala putting that ole hag Pelosi, who is freaking 80 yrs old, as her VP. Military budgets would get cut with training $$s getting the biggest hit.

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I, too, picked Trump to take 300+ electoral college votes, so I, too, was wrong.  Pity that...

Still some drama to play out and the witch isn't dead yet, so we'll see how it goes.

GOP retains the Senate, adds a fair number in the House.  Enough to probably cause Pelosi to not be elected Speaker of the House next term since her party wants someone other than thousand year olds running things.

 

But, and this a biggie for me, the best thing of this year's election cycle has been that it wasn't Hillary running for re-election.

And with that, I'm reasonably content.

v/r,

another hilfuck Texan

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5 hours ago, TheLaughingCow said:

It looks like we are in for an extremely weak federal government.

Good.

Didn't want to make another post, but as a statistics nerd 538's analysis has been a lot of fun.

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3 hours ago, Guardian said:

Sadly there aren’t many humans worse than Biden / Harris.

What are you basing this on?  Personality, morally, patriotically?

I'm not sure how you have Biden in the same room as Trump, point to Biden and go, "He's the reprehensible one."

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Pretty easy. Over 47 years he has made legislation that targeted minorities. Trump hasn’t. Biden blatantly said that he completely disagreed with the LGBT movement. He has made bad choices against our military, our livelihood. Absolutely poor decisions and came out against measures to protect from covid. Harris is one of the worst people in politics today. She is where she is off bro jobs and hipocracy. They support the riots. Say they aren’t a problem. And also want to change the foundation of our country. The things that make us what we are today in a positive way. She just said that people who have less should get more than successful people. That redistribution should absolutely happen and that is one of the most immoral things imaginable. She is a race bater and both are liars. Not making fun of joes mental decline but that doesn’t make me comfortable to have someone with his lack of mental cognitive ability (which he readily admits he doesn’t stutter)

Just about the worst candidates imaginable.

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1 minute ago, Guardian said:

Pretty easy. Over 47 years he has made legislation that targeted minorities. Trump hasn’t. Biden blatantly said that he completely disagreed with the LGBT movement. He has made bad choices against our military, our livelihood. Absolutely poor decisions and came out against measures to protect from covid. Harris is one of the worst people in politics today. She is where she is off bro jobs and hipocracy. They support the riots. Say they aren’t a problem. And also want to change the foundation of our country. The things that make us what we are today in a positive way. She just said that people who have less should get more than successful people. That redistribution should absolutely happen and that is one of the most immoral things imaginable. She is a race bater and both are liars. Not making fun of joes mental decline but that doesn’t make me comfortable to have someone with his lack of mental cognitive ability (which he readily admits he doesn’t stutter)

Just about the worst candidates imaginable.

I crossed out Harris for a reason.  Keeping this on Biden. 

So it's a purely political thing for you then?  Trump hasn't been in a position to do those things politically, but has done some awful things commercially/personally.  Those get a wash?  LGBT movement...a lot of current politicians disagreed with (ex. Pence, Obama, Dubya, etc.).  I'm not versed enough in his politics for "bad choices" on the military.

I guess the point I'm trying to understand (from red to blue) is how you can think him, as an individual, as a bad person compared to Trump. Not as a politician, he's been in gov't far to long to be "clean," but Trump's lack of politics just means I include what he was doing during that time.  At least I'd think they'd be even.

sidenote - the reddit meltdown is glorious.

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1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

I crossed out Harris for a reason.  Keeping this on Biden. 

So it's a purely political thing for you then?  Trump hasn't been in a position to do those things politically, but has done some awful things commercially/personally.  Those get a wash?  LGBT movement...a lot of current politicians disagreed with (ex. Pence, Obama, Dubya, etc.).  I'm not versed enough in his politics for "bad choices" on the military.

I guess the point I'm trying to understand (from red to blue) is how you can think him, as an individual, as a bad person compared to Trump. Not as a politician, he's been in gov't far to long to be "clean," but Trump's lack of politics just means I include what he was doing during that time.  At least I'd think they'd be even.

sidenote - the reddit meltdown is glorious.

I don’t think he once said Trump is a better person than Biden or even compared him to Trump at all. In fact, he explicitly said people are making their voting decision based on personality and not policy record, and that’s the problem. 

Edit: and even if by some measure Trump is a bad person, it still doesn’t mean that Biden isn’t also a terrible person  


 

 

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4 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

i'm not even worried about her. its the radical element of the party that will have influence (warren, sanders, AOC(super hot, great rack))

It's always the bat shit crazy ones...

But how in the hell did anyone think she would be a good U.S. Representative?!?  And why in the hell would anyone vote for her again?

Our political system is fucked.

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Georgia elected a U.S. Representative who believes a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against President  Trump. People vote for her or AOC for the same reasons people vote for any candidate. 

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1 hour ago, M2 said:

It's always the bat shit crazy ones...

But how in the hell did anyone think she would be a good U.S. Representative?!?  And why in the hell would anyone vote for her again?

Our political system is ed.

I mean, she represents her base, isn’t that what a representative is supposed to do? She has insane policies but I don’t think you can fault her on job performance. If you wanna fault anyone, fault the voters.

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5 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

i'm not even worried about her. its the radical element of the party that will have influence (warren, sanders, AOC...)

Where is the evidence of this?  I'm open to believing this, but I just haven't seen any of it in practice.  The Democrats had an open socialist in the primaries, Elizabeth Warren who is pretty damn close, and several other fringe candidates.  They picked.......Joe Biden?  The dude who was absolutely the most milquetoast generic centrist out of the 20-odd candidates?  What *evidence* is there that a President Biden will be powerless to stand up to a junior congresswoman from New York?

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9 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

Biden wins. Trump has/will win GA, NC, and PA. He must then win either MI or WI and will win neither. 

The plus side is I think this buys more for Conservatives in the long term like the article someone posted here (I think.) Fortunately Conservatives maintain control of the Senate which means Biden/Kamala can't really accomplish much of their leftist agenda. But in two and four years there will be a big swing back right from what is arguably already center, which shows how biased the MSM is. 

I saw something similar today and it rang true with me, as well (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-democrats-reckoning-generation-matt-gorman).

Edit (another good one): https://theweek.com/articles/947824/left-just-got-crushed

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"While the final numbers may still be in flux, Democrats on Capitol Hill are no longer going to get their liberal Christmas list passed through Congress and, even worse, are about to face a reckoning unlike any they’ve had in a generation—no matter who wins the White House.

Let’s get a status update on the top priorities for Schumer and Pelosi:

Packing the Supreme Court? Dead on arrival.

Eliminating the filibuster? Nope.

Tax hikes. Not going to happen."

And I tend to agree. Having Trump in office for another four years would be delicious if only for the unending YouTube stream of leftist children reeeeeeeeeing, but honestly, Trump may have served his purpose, which was killing the Clinton machine, upending the Obama years, and shining a black light on what is our politics. The next four years spent with a fully ineffectual democratic president who can't mumble his way through a teleprompter and a vice president who is in way over her head will serve the conservative cause much more in the long run.

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28 minutes ago, HercDude said:

Where is the evidence of this?  I'm open to believing this, but I just haven't seen any of it in practice.  The Democrats had an open socialist in the primaries, Elizabeth Warren who is pretty damn close, and several other fringe candidates.  They picked.......Joe Biden?  The dude who was absolutely the most milquetoast generic centrist out of the 20-odd candidates?  What *evidence* is there that a President Biden will be powerless to stand up to a junior congresswoman from New York?

That’s exactly why they picked him. His outward appearance is of a moderate. His mental decline however can’t be denied and I highly doubt that major portions of the Democrat party didn’t see that as an opportunity. His health will either deteriorate to the point that he ends up resigning or the radical portions of the left will pull the strings and use teleprompter reading Joe as the mouthpiece. 
 

Admittedly, the R’s making gains in the house and holding the line in the Senate makes it much harder on the dems to implement their plans. 

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