Mark1 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, NKAWTG said: Trump has been the only president in my lifetime who avoided starting a new conflict or invading another country. Who are we going to pick a fight with now since it's returning to "normal." Let's hold off on this declaration until we're sure he's not going to saunter down from the presidential bedroom on January 20th and go to work on his 2nd term in the Oval Office as if nothing has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) Article II of the Constitution: The President and Vice President [shall be] elected, as follows: "Each State shall appoint... a Number of Electors... The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot..." Notice what's missing from this statement? Any mention of the Press. AP does NOT decide the outcome of the Election. Edited November 7, 2020 by Sim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Life is much easier if you just hate all politicians. Then you can just call them out whenever they say bullshit rather than trying to figure out how to defend their ridiculousness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sim said: AP does NOT decide the outcome of the Election. States will soon certify their results and Biden will emerge as the the winner of the election. This is what news outlets are basically reporting. But you already know this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DosXX Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sim said: Notice what's missing from this statement? Any mention of the Press. AP does NOT decide the outcome of the Election. Of course, but at some point it becomes obvious with almost complete certainty. If the electoral votes somehow end up with Trump as the winner I'll be the first on here to accept that as the true result. Edited November 7, 2020 by DosXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, Sim said: Article II of the Constitution: The President and Vice President [shall be] elected, as follows: "Each State shall appoint... a Number of Electors... The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot..." Notice what's missing from this statement? Any mention of the Press. AP does NOT decide the outcome of the Election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slackline Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Bro, I literally pulled it from going to her page and scrolling down myself and finding it. Not rocket science. Didn't scroll to yesterday. My bad, got zero issues admitting I don't Twitter good.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slackline Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Quoted for your effective research. Or maybe you choose to only see things that benefit your argument? I seem to remember a time when socialists took lists of names in history, didn't end up going very well... Wait, maybe that was the "old" history before it was re-written by the Left. Don't be a tool. I read it wrong, that's why I asked for a link. He provided it. I was corrected. NBD. Point still stands, what's wrong with what she's asking? I think k she's way too immature/inexperienced to be good at her job yet, and the GND is a complete non starter, but she's got a point in remembering who the hypocrites are.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe1234 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Damn, some of y'all are taking this L really badly. Grieving is a process, I suppose. What's more interesting to me is how close elections have become these days. In the past 8 elections, the GOP has only won the popular vote once, but were able to compete because of the built-in electoral college advantage to take 3 of 8. The GOP used to win decisively back in the day, but we just haven't seen that in almost 30 years. It's been either a Democrat beatdown, or a closely contested election that goes either way, which usually went Republican. But now the GOP are losing those close contests too. Even though Biden's margins in multiple states were tight, he opened up multiple battlegrounds and won almost all of them. Like, 10 states were battleground states this year, when there used to be only maybe 2 or 3 in an election. It used to be that whoever won Florida and Ohio won the election. Now you don't even need either of those states to win by a good 70+ EV. Personally, I think we're already seeing the long-heralded demographic shift starting to produce real effects. By 2024, millennials will have overtaken boomers as the largest generation in the electorate. Sure, Republicans will compete for many years, utilizing advantages with SCOTUS and built-in advantages with how the number of Senators and Representatives work, but from where I'm sitting, it looks more like a fighting retreat than anything else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sim said: Neither does a candidate. No matter how many times he types in all caps like a Boomer. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drewpey Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I know this is terrifying times for many of you, but you shouldn't be that worried about the "far left agenda". In reality across the US there were several very progressive candidates on the ballot and most of them lost by a wide margin. Even Biden as a fairly bland centrist democrat barely squeaked out a win against Trump, which I think shocked many on the left who were hoping for a bit of a blue wave. The democratic party won largely due in part to the moderate middle, so enacting "far left" policies is only going to guarantee a loss in 2022, and 2024. If history is any indicator the democratic party will play it safe by offering relatively centrist policies that have wide public support, and the senate will blockade any progress and blame the white house until you get another authoritarian in office to abdicate power to. As an added bonus we can go back to pretending to care about the defecit (yay for actual fiscal conservatism!). If by some freak of nature we take a tie in the senate, anything that gets signed into law will likely be struck down in courts, so again...nothing much to worry about. If Trump had lost in a landslide and we swept the senate, then I might agree that we are in for some progressive policy changes, but ultimately it's not likely to happen and the party isn't going to blow their political capital slamming their heads against a wall for the next several years. I'm a bit shocked the race was so close. Honestly goes to show how lucky we are Trump always doubles down on stupid and refuses to appeal to anyone not in his hardcore base. Seriously he could have walked out of walter reed and pretended to care about Covid for a month and probably swept Biden and then resumed business as usual. I just hope out of this mess we can have both sides meet and agree on an election security and voter rights law. Both of which are needed for us to have faith in our democratic process. If any of you have your doubts in the election process and the likelihood of voter fraud, I encourage you to get involved and volunteer to work the polls in the next election to see it for yourself first hand, and not just random twitter videos of people pretending to uncover rampant fraud. Educate yourself. Be part of the solution. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said: Neither does a candidate. No matter how many times he types in all caps like a Boomer. I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start. Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, drewpey said: I know this is terrifying times for many of you, but you shouldn't be that worried about the "far left agenda". In reality across the US there were several very progressive candidates on the ballot and most of them lost by a wide margin. Even Biden as a fairly bland centrist democrat barely squeaked out a win against Trump, which I think shocked many on the left who were hoping for a bit of a blue wave. The democratic party won largely due in part to the moderate middle, so enacting "far left" policies is only going to guarantee a loss in 2022, and 2024. If history is any indicator the democratic party will play it safe by offering relatively centrist policies that have wide public support, and the senate will blockade any progress and blame the white house until you get another authoritarian in office to abdicate power to. As an added bonus we can go back to pretending to care about the defecit (yay for actual fiscal conservatism!). If by some freak of nature we take a tie in the senate, anything that gets signed into law will likely be struck down in courts, so again...nothing much to worry about. If Trump had lost in a landslide and we swept the senate, then I might agree that we are in for some progressive policy changes, but ultimately it's not likely to happen and the party isn't going to blow their political capital slamming their heads against a wall for the next several years. I'm a bit shocked the race was so close. Honestly goes to show how lucky we are Trump always doubles down on stupid and refuses to appeal to anyone not in his hardcore base. Seriously he could have walked out of walter reed and pretended to care about Covid for a month and probably swept Biden and then resumed business as usual. I just hope out of this mess we can have both sides meet and agree on an election security and voter rights law. Both of which are needed for us to have faith in our democratic process. If any of you have your doubts in the election process and the likelihood of voter fraud, I encourage you to get involved and volunteer to work the polls in the next election to see it for yourself first hand, and not just random twitter videos of people pretending to uncover rampant fraud. Educate yourself. Be part of the solution. Here are my observations on Conservative fears: 1.) A second Trump victory would have indicated a historic rejection of the Social Justice principles that have eroded the unity of our society for the last 20 years. It would have made it clear that those principles were not tolerable to the US electorate. This is probably the largest loss in this election for Conservatives, and will likely keep the country divided for another 2 decades. 2.) Should the Democrats take the Senate, speculation is high they will remove the filibuster and pass an assault weapons ban. 3.) Also removing the filibuster would allow stacking the Supreme Court. 4.) On a whole though, 2 and 3 don't look possible for this term. Its unlikely Democrats will get a strong mid term showing, and first mid terms for new party are usually a correction in the other direction. So I think chances are good they will not have either house in 2 years. 5.) The Democratic electorate largely believes this was a major victory. However, the House and Senate votes say otherwise. Democrats honestly have a large uphill battle to pass any meaningful agenda. 6.) Even if Biden does tap out year #2 and put K. Harris in, she wont have the congressional support to push a far left agenda. 7.) As a military member though, I am concerned about foreign involvement. Especially since Biden sat deuce for Obama, who was a very hawkish President. 8.) I'm also worried Biden will play us back into NATO/EUCOM, refocus energy on Russia when it needs to be on China, and remove emphasis from China overall. This would be an enormous failure in Global Security. Other than that, I don't think much will change in the next 4 years. I really hope to god though he doesn't get us into a foreign quagmire. That was one thing I was at least very confident in with Trump. It was very clear Trump was keeping us out of overseas debacles. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slackline Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Here are my observations on Conservative fears: 1.) A second Trump victory would have indicated a historic rejection of the Social Justice principles that have eroded the unity of our society for the last 20 years. It would have made it clear that those principles were not tolerable to the US electorate. This is probably the largest loss in this election for Conservatives, and will likely keep the country divided for another 2 decades. 2.) Should the Democrats take the Senate, speculation is high they will remove the filibuster and pass an assault weapons ban. 3.) Also removing the filibuster would allow stacking the Supreme Court. 4.) On a whole though, 2 and 3 don't look possible for this term. Its unlikely Democrats will get a strong mid term showing, and first mid terms for new party are usually a correction in the other direction. So I think chances are good they will not have either house in 2 years. 5.) The Democratic electorate largely believes this was a major victory. However, the House and Senate votes say otherwise. Democrats honestly have a large uphill battle to pass any meaningful agenda. 6.) Even if Biden does tap out year #2 and put K. Harris in, she wont have the congressional support to push a far left agenda. 7.) As a military member though, I am concerned about foreign involvement. Especially since Biden sat deuce for Obama, who was a very hawkish President. 8.) I'm also worried Biden will play us back into NATO/EUCOM, refocus energy on Russia when it needs to be on China, and remove emphasis from China overall. This would be an enormous failure in Global Security. Other than that, I don't think much will change in the next 4 years. I really hope to god though he doesn't get us into a foreign quagmire. That was one thing I was at least very confident in with Trump. It was very clear Trump was keeping us out of overseas debacles. Point 8 is spot on unfortunately...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Smart cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 39 minutes ago, Sim said: I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start. Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior. Trumps ploy will be to delegitimize Biden's Presidency the same way Democrats worked to delegitimize Trump's through Russia Gate. This will have an interesting outcome though. With Russia Gate, Trump was put in a peculiar situation where he needed to assert he wasn't in collusion with Russia but be careful to investigate the matter too deeply in order to avoid bringing credence to a claim for delegitimization. The same thing will happen now with polling. The Democrats will continue to deny fraud happened but this is dangerous because if any fraud is found its going to implicate them, even if its minor. It won't change the election outcome but it will continue to keep a base of Republican voters energized for 2024. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 So what’s the OPLAN for if Trump physically refuses to vacate 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on January 20? Like, do you call the Marines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieHotel47 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 How the media is currently celebrating Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooter Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I think trumps tantrums grow more severe and indefensible by the minute. The man has never lost at anything, never been told "no," and as a result he will continue this classless flailing for as long as he can. It will accomplish nothing except turn off more moderate voters from republicans and delay conservatives from being able to take control of their party back. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Pooter said: The man has never lost at anything He’s had multiple business fail. He just denies that he had anything to do with the failure, you know, like the amazing leader he is. The best. Everyone agrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Don't be a tool. I read it wrong, that's why I asked for a link. He provided it. I was corrected. NBD. Point still stands, what's wrong with what she's asking? I think k she's way too immature/inexperienced to be good at her job yet, and the GND is a complete non starter, but she's got a point in remembering who the hypocrites are.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDude. Chill out. It was you who were calling people out for quoting a tweet you couldn’t find because of your self admitted lack of Twitter knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 4 hours ago, VMFA187 said: Didn’t the Democratic Party fight the 2016 election until now? What's even better (worse). There is a web-page already https://www.trumpaccountability.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Sim said: I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start. Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior. The media has been "trolling" him every waking minute for the last 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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