Seriously Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I remember specifically while doing Instruments and on in T-6s at Vance, it was standard procedure to say "Clearance Delivery, XXXX 69, clearance on request, ready to copy" - at which time they'd give you the clearance, you'd read back, brakes off lets go. Ugggg..... "clearance on request" IS A CONTROLLER PHRASE! I'm astonished how many people don't understand that. Man, you guys are a bunch of ate up mother fuckers! T-6 assignments for all of you! About the only time I get pissed at comm, is if we're in a stack, about to employ, and extraneous comm is hindering our ability to drop. Other than that, you can say whatever the fuck you want. Building poor habit patterns... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 "clearance on request" IS A CONTROLLER PHRASE! I will repeat....... Just like there is no response required when told to ident. Just push the damn button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) The instructor rogered up (they are the individuals with radios controls for the vast majority of each sortie) that in fact it was important that we remain brief on the comm freqs because when you get downrange, freqs are so clogged up that you have to be smart with what you transmit. Ok, I have to ask...what the fuck does "rogered up" mean? It's like the term "you tracking?" who the fuck uses this shit?These two terms are way more annoying than any stupid shit I hear on the radio. Edited May 25, 2013 by SocialD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateAF Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I will repeat....... Just like there is no response required when told to ident. Just push the damn button. This. "With the flash"...ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 who the ###### uses this shit? USAFFlyBoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Does anyone have an AIM or FAA reference for mandatory controller phraseology and expected responses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Does anyone have an AIM or FAA reference for mandatory controller phraseology and expected responses? 7110.65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oo7kerpow Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I cringe every time I hear a Moose call sign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 and also the Pilot/Controller Glossary. when ATC calls out traffic to you, and you see the traffic, the proper response is "Traffic in sight". The word "Visual" does not appear in the PCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 and also the Pilot/Controller Glossary. when ATC calls out traffic to you, and you see the traffic, the proper response is "Traffic in sight". The word "Visual" does not appear in the PCG. Hmmm...I could have sworn I saw the phase, "I've got him on the fish finder," in there somewhere! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco130 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Nothing more liberating that a solid 'see ya' at KAF. F comm procedures, I don't mind a personable moment in the midst of a hellhole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 "Viper 11 check, Viper 11" "Viper 12" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16Deuce Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Korean objective on the radios: Unclear, Incorrect, Rambling. ....all done on guard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearMonkey Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 when ATC calls out traffic to you, and you see the traffic, the proper response is "Traffic in sight". The word "Visual" does not appear in the PCG. I usually use "traffic in sight, blow me" when I"m fortunate enough to be 1,000' above the conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Nothing more liberating that a solid 'see ya' at KAF. F comm procedures, I don't mind a personable moment in the midst of a hellhole. Big difference between a SEEEEYA and someone saying dumb, redundant shit because in their head it sounds like something that should be said on the radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosepileit Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 At least "Moose" should know the route. Our radios and interphone are ok, not great. Real problem is the upgrade process (MPD) that watered down traditional OTJ co-pilot seasoning. IFM vs. old school charts and cfp planning didn't help either. Go into Hong Kong for the 169th time with your day job company, then watch the Reach crew melt down trying the arrival that you briefed them, including the R/T isms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HercDude Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I tend to rant on interphone when I hear people say dumb shit on the radio - even did it when I was a CP. So one day the smartass I'm flying with chimed in with this: "Ali Center Good morning, CHROME XX, checking in, level at flight level 200 at this time, with the flash." My eyeballs started to bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 "Ali Center Good morning, CHROME XX, checking in, level at flight level 200 at this time, with the flash." ... smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amcflyboy Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 You guys wouldn't last one day at the airlines! You're heads would either explode, or the other pilot would choke you by the end of the trip! Though I do agree about sticking to regs, you gotta know what regs are more important and more simply, when to pull the stick out of your asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osulax05 Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 We herk guys are the worst, we like to tell our life stories every time we key the mic. But nothing is worse than a clear, concise and correct radio call to ATC or 2 and getting "say again" in return, only to restate the call or having to explain the brevity that you used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 and also the Pilot/Controller Glossary. when ATC calls out traffic to you, and you see the traffic, the proper response is "Traffic in sight". The word "Visual" does not appear in the PCG. Valid, but it does appear in AFTTP 3-2.5 BREVITY & I'd rather guys use that properly than read the PCG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Man, you guys are a bunch of ate up mother fuckers! T-6 assignments for all of you! About the only time I get pissed at comm, is if we're in a stack, about to employ, and extraneous comm is hindering our ability to drop. Other than that, you can say whatever the fuck you want. If you can't get the radio comms right in the easy, non-stressful times, what are the odds that you'll get it right when it really matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 If you can't get the radio comms right in the easy, non-stressful times, what are the odds that you'll get it right when it really matters? And if you can't wear your uniform properly, how can you get flying right? You go, all-star. Out 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Negative bro. Apples and oranges although shoes can't tell the difference. Radio comms can get people killed. Sunglasses on my head won't. People that can't tell the difference lack situational awareness. People that get everything right except not shutting the f up annoy the crap out of me. I have to wonder if it is some disorder where the situation generates so much adrenaline they simply don't know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryoglobin Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 (edited) and also the Pilot/Controller Glossary. when ATC calls out traffic to you, and you see the traffic, the proper response is "Traffic in sight". The word "Visual" does not appear in the PCG. My favorite one in this situation, and I have heard them numerous times, is "tally" and "no-joy". Edited May 26, 2013 by cryoglobin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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