World War III Updates

[uhhello]

35 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

Yep, the vehicle sure appeared to have the signature can opener marks.

Too bad they can't buy the wreck and put it on a pole outside of Creech🍻

[Sim]

Laser on

3 - 2 - 1 Rifle. 

20 seconds. 

Laser off. 

 

Enjoy hot wings and beer, anonymous crew. 

[uhhello]

35 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

Yep, the vehicle sure appeared to have the signature can opener marks.

Too bad they can't buy the wreck and put it on a pole outside of Creech🍻

 

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

Ginsu 3000 got em'

[fire4effect]

3 hours ago, uhhello said:

Are those a stack of singles? No trip to the strip club for you!

To paraphrase a recently departed true American Treasure Toby Keith, this is what happens when "Uncle Sam puts your name at the top of his list."

[Biff_T]

13 hours ago, fire4effect said:

Are those a stack of singles? No trip to the strip club for you!

To paraphrase a recently departed true American Treasure Toby Keith, this is what happens when "Uncle Sam puts your name at the top of his list."

Got to spend all your dough at the Library, you cant take those singles with you to hell.. 

[Guest nsplayr]

 

[gearhog]

Russia is going to nuke our satellites. We must nuke them first.

Russia is trying to develop a nuclear space weapon that would destroy satellites by creating a massive energy wave when detonated, potentially crippling a vast swath of the commercial and government satellites that the world below depends on to talk on cell phones, pay bills, and surf the internet, according to three sources familiar with US intelligence about the weapon.

These sources gave CNN a more detailed understanding of what Russia is working on – and the threat it could pose – than the US government has previously disclosed.

Republican Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, set off a frenzy in Washington on Wednesday when he issued a statement saying his panel “had information concerning a serious national security threat.” By Friday, President Joe Biden had publicly confirmed that Turner was referring to a new Russian nuclear anti-satellite capability — but officials have steadfastly refused to discuss it further, citing the highly classified nature of the intelligence.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-space-weapon-intelligence/index.html

[FourFans]

7 minutes ago, gearhog said:

Russia is going to nuke our satellites. We must nuke them first.

Russia is trying to develop a nuclear space weapon that would destroy satellites by creating a massive energy wave when detonated, potentially crippling a vast swath of the commercial and government satellites that the world below depends on to talk on cell phones, pay bills, and surf the internet, according to three sources familiar with US intelligence about the weapon.

These sources gave CNN a more detailed understanding of what Russia is working on – and the threat it could pose – than the US government has previously disclosed.

Republican Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, set off a frenzy in Washington on Wednesday when he issued a statement saying his panel “had information concerning a serious national security threat.” By Friday, President Joe Biden had publicly confirmed that Turner was referring to a new Russian nuclear anti-satellite capability — but officials have steadfastly refused to discuss it further, citing the highly classified nature of the intelligence.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-space-weapon-intelligence/index.html

What are the odds that our feckless leaders have now guaranteed the burning of what sounds like a possibly quality inside source, just so said leaders could make some political moves.  The source of a leak that shared this intel from inside Russia can't be too hard to pin down (assuming it's non-technical).  I see no way the American public could benefit from knowing about this threat other than to somehow impact the upcoming election.  These clowns are outright irresponsible.

[HossHarris]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime#:~:text=On July 9%2C 1962%2C at,N 169°38′W.
 

why all the hubbub…?

[gearhog]

35 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime#:~:text=On July 9%2C 1962%2C at,N 169°38′W.
 

why all the hubbub…?

It's only cool when we do it. 😄

In 1962, it looks like there were only about 25 satellites in orbit.

Today, there's about 7000-8000, mostly in LEO. It's a near exponential increase. Somewhere near half a million objects 1cm or bigger. Some believe we're approaching a number where loss of control and/or collision of a few satellites could create an uncontrollable cascading effect that would make orbiting the earth near impossible forever. That would suck.

[DirkDiggler]

46 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime#:~:text=On July 9%2C 1962%2C at,N 169°38′W.
 

why all the hubbub…?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Project_K_nuclear_tests
 

My thoughts exactly.  This just political theater, and dumb political theater at that.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

It's only cool when we do it. 😄

In 1962, it looks like there were only about 25 satellites in orbit.

Today, there's about 7000-8000, mostly in LEO. It's a near exponential increase. Somewhere near half a million objects 1cm or bigger. Some believe we're approaching a number where loss of control and/or collision of a few satellites could create an uncontrollable cascading effect that would make orbiting the earth near impossible forever. That would suck.

We'd just move everything to the next orbital level, each with exponentially-increasing room for more satellites. And no real effort has been put into cleaning up space trash. There will be innovation there for sure.

 

It'll be costly, but not prohibitively so. We can thank Elon for proving that. Still, not ideal.

Edited February 17, 2024 by Lord Ratner

[Dogs-N-Guns]

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

uncontrollable cascading effect that would make orbiting the earth near impossible

This is called the Kessler syndrome. Some already think we are there and just waiting for the trigger event to start the cascade. 

8 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

just move everything to the next orbital level,

I don't know if current satellites can change there orbits enough to make a difference, and if they could, the expended fuel would severely shorten their lifespan.

Once the cascade starts, I don't think there will be enough time to react. Getting a launch vehicle through the LEO trash cloud would be difficult (maybe impossible) after the cascade. Atmospheric drag would eventually clean things up, but that would take a very long time. There is a lot of research into how to de-orbit space trash without making things worse.

[Lord Ratner]

5 minutes ago, Dogs-N-Guns said:

This is called the Kessler syndrome. Some already think we are there and just waiting for the trigger event to start the cascade. 

I don't know if current satellites can change there orbits enough to make a difference, and if they could, the expended fuel would severely shorten their lifespan.

Once the cascade starts, I don't think there will be enough time to react. Getting a launch vehicle through the LEO trash cloud would be difficult (maybe impossible) after the cascade. Atmospheric drag would eventually clean things up, but that would take a very long time. There is a lot of research into how to de-orbit space trash without making things worse.

Sorry, by everything I meant the new, replacement stuff. I worded that very poorly. 😂🤣

 

Existing satellites are fucked. But the replacement cost will be much lower. I'm not saying it won't be an issue, but there's a whole lot of room left for orbital innovation, and usually a disaster is the perfect catalyst.

 

In fact, I'd wager an "orbital reset" would put the US into a near space monopoly, over the medium term. The rest of the world can barely get assets in orbit now, imagine if it required an entirely new regime of space tech?

[uhhello]

30 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

We'd just move everything to the next orbital level, each with exponentially-increasing room for more satellites. And no real effort has been put into cleaning up space trash. There will be innovation there for sure.

 

It'll be costly, but not prohibitively so. We can thank Elon for proving that. Still, not ideal.

How is anything getting through?  

[Lord Ratner]

1 minute ago, uhhello said:

How is anything getting through?  

That'll be the innovation part. 20 years ago we could track debris the size of a baseball, and that was just the unclassified level. Model the debris, predict the hole, and launch. We got bombers made of century-old tech to fly through oceans of flak, this won't be the challenge some are predicting it to be.

 

Not ideal, but it never is. I can't even think of a capabilities scare that came true. Peak oil, deforestation, the ozone hole, Moore's Law, overpopulation, etc. Our problems will always be socio-political, not technological.

[uhhello]

12 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

That'll be the innovation part. 20 years ago we could track debris the size of a baseball, and that was just the unclassified level. Model the debris, predict the hole, and launch. We got bombers made of century-old tech to fly through oceans of flak, this won't be the challenge some are predicting it to be.

 

Not ideal, but it never is. I can't even think of a capabilities scare that came true. Peak oil, deforestation, the ozone hole, Moore's Law, overpopulation, etc. Our problems will always be socio-political, not technological.

What I don't get is this supposed 'new threat'.  I'm not a smart man but hasn't it been possible for many many years to put a warhead on an ICBM and detonate near LEO?  Someone make this new threat make sense

[HossHarris]

Even when ALL The current satellites are blasted into a cloud of debris …. Space is still a surprisingly empty place. Even in orbit. Even with everything turning into garbage. 
 

it’s not an insurmountable problem to solve. Satellite debris won’t be so thick it blocks out the sun. 
 

it’s meh overall 

[gearhog]

18 minutes ago, uhhello said:

What I don't get is this supposed 'new threat'.  I'm not a smart man but hasn't it been possible for many many years to put a warhead on an ICBM and detonate near LEO?  Someone make this new threat make sense

Let's not overthink this. Russia bad. We need to keep funding the war machine.

[Lawman]

What I don't get is this supposed 'new threat'.  I'm not a smart man but hasn't it been possible for many many years to put a warhead on an ICBM and detonate near LEO?  Someone make this new threat make sense

It’s not a new threat, or even the key development of ASAT tech… but it is an election year.


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[gearhog]

Gaza's population concentration is said to be about 14,000 people per square mile.

We should help them by doing a CDS airdrop there without an established DZ. Maybe we should go back to dropping the "aid" in the ocean.

https://x.com/InsiderWorld_1/status/1766061321550762100?s=20

https://x.com/MilitaryPOV/status/1766068960263344501?s=20

Edited March 8, 2024 by gearhog

[FourFans]

4 hours ago, gearhog said:

Gaza's population concentration is said to be about 14,000 people per square mile.

We should help them by doing a CDS airdrop there without an established DZ. Maybe we should go back to dropping the "aid" in the ocean.

https://x.com/InsiderWorld_1/status/1766061321550762100?s=20

https://x.com/MilitaryPOV/status/1766068960263344501?s=20

This is why you don't drop it from C-17's using hi-v chutes.   The mission planner should get choked out for that.  They're too worried about coming back with a bullet hole in their precious budda.  Hell, the crew probably gets decorated for this drop.   It's like we didn't spend a decade dropping shit in afghanistan and learning all those lessons (A: Don't let C-17's drop it, and B: use low-v chutes if you don't want to kill unaware people and break the shit you're dropping).

Edited March 8, 2024 by FourFans

[slc]

Yep, LCADS-LV would've been adequate for that shithole

[BashiChuni]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/emmanuel-macron-warns-west-threat-183000004.html