The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[Blue]

24 minutes ago, FLEA said:

I also noticed this week the #2 in the AF, is an '03 ROTC grad. In context for a minute, in means a young woman with less than 20 years is now presiding in a position over every AD person over 20 years; which is a critical data point regarding the grooming and selection of career officers and GOs. Certainly someone was taking care of her when as a new hire to the DIA and she went on to work in the Whitehouse. Another common thread with these types though is a foray into politics which often later help them earn a political appointment. At some point you don't really work for the USG anymore you work for your party and then you party finds jobs for you using the USG as a grooming ground.

Undersecretary of the Air Force Gina Ortiz Jones.  Had to look that up.

Grooming aside, she's a first-generation American of Filipino descent, and also happens to be a lesbian.  As well as a veteran (albeit serving for only three years).

All that makes her a veritable rock star to a Democratic Party obsessed with identity politics.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Blue

[di1630]

Bets on the Jusse Smollet trial?

You’d think it’d be an easy prosecution but the fact he hasn’t plead guilty makes me think he has confidence he can ride the woke wave to an acquittal.

[dream big]

15 hours ago, Blue said:

Undersecretary of the Air Force Gina Ortiz Jones.  Had to look that up.

Grooming aside, she's a first-generation American of Filipino descent, and also happens to be a lesbian.  As well as a veteran (albeit serving for only three years).

All that makes her a veritable rock star to a Democratic Party obsessed with identity politics.

She may very well be the most qualified under Secretary the Air Force has ever had, we don’t know, but thanks to the wokeites we unfortunately question her credential and wonder whether she was put into said position due to other than merit.  SJWism is a disservice to her, minorities and everyone in general when we can’t trust the system. Those of you well established in the military know very well what I’m talking about. 

[nunya]

11 hours ago, di1630 said:

Bets on the Jusse Smollet trial?

You’d think it’d be an easy prosecution but the fact he hasn’t plead guilty makes me think he has confidence he can ride the woke wave to an acquittal.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is a necessarily high bar and I don't think the woke wave is [the only reason] why he'll be acquitted.  I think the actual evidence is light, the hearsay and contradictions are numerous, and the two people that should provide the most damning testimony are hardly model citizens. 

The case will be like trying to discipline your kid when you're 99% sure he's lying, but his story does kinda make sense.  Smollet probably staged it, but he'll also get acquitted.

[ClearedHot]

On 11/28/2021 at 11:52 AM, Negatory said:

Yeah. I will say it is and was very hard to remain unbiased in news sourcing since the Trump presidency for both sides (maybe it actually began around Obama?). I’m wrong in this case, for sure.

COVID, ironically, has been the biggest eye opener of people being brainwashed for me. I think I’m doing better now.

This is the rub for me...the OVERWHELMING majority of mainstream media outlets not only lean liberal but in recent years have actively sought to protect the liberal machine.  I get it, FOXNEWS preaches the same for the Conservative side, but they are a lone lighthouse in that storm.  Are there other outlets that defend the conservatives, yes, but none with the audience of CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/Yahoo News/Twitter/Facebook.  I'm old and I am an idealist, I want the press to be the 4th estate.  We need that neutral and unbiased eye looking in to keep our system honest.  In my opinion the press has completely abandoned that moral responsibility. 

I am glad COVID has been an eye opener, I hoped better from my government.  I consider myself a man of science and when the pandemic started I was glad Fauci was standing next to Trump, maybe a voice of reason to shape the bloviating.  I can not even begin express my disappointment in Fauci.  At first I thought he had just morphed into a political animal, now I've come to believe he is beyond corrupt.  He actively helped cover up the origin of the virus, has denied gain of function research to the point of changing the definition, and denies any relevant research related to natural immunity.  He MUST go and should likely be prosecuted for both perjury and potential criminal actions related to work at the Wuhan laboratory.  The mainstream press has stood behind Fauci and sung his praises completely overlooking any reasonable responsibility to research this clown and what he did.

The second unforgivable failure of the 4th estate is the Hunter Biden laptop.  Social media suppressed the story and the mainstream media drown the story in a "Russian misinformation" mantra."  Have any of you liberals taken an honest look at what is on that laptop.  I could care less about pictures of Hunter smoking crack or nailing hookers, has zip to do with the Presidency.  I am talking about the repeated insinuations that Biden while VP sought a cut and was most certainly manipulated as part of an effort to sell influence at the highest level of the U.S. government.  I HOPE it is false, but dear god shouldn't we take an honest look?  The liberal hate machine spent years impeaching Trump and shaping the release of information, only to see the disinfectant of sunlight show it a nothing burger.  Is no one else appalled that there could be even a grain of truth to all of this.  I found Tony Bobulinski's testimony to be very compelling and at least justifies a deeper look, not a hand waive by the liberal media that wants to hide the truth. 

The NY Post won't let the story go and while the WSJ has done some background investigation on the finances, a MUCH deeper look needs to happen.  I am hoping (probably idealistic on my part), the the fall of Chris Cuomo starts the dominoes falling so we can just get to the truth on both sides.

[FLEA]

2 hours ago, dream big said:

She may very well be the most qualified under Secretary the Air Force has ever had, we don’t know, but thanks to the wokeites we unfortunately question her credential and wonder whether she was put into said position due to other than merit.  SJWism is a disservice to her, minorities and everyone in general when we can’t trust the system. Those of you well established in the military know very well what I’m talking about. 

Perhaps but man... Her whole resume... She went into consulting after 3 years of service. When's the last time anyone asked to consult with a lieutenant on fucking anything? Lol. But you're right. The SJ mentality hurts her more than helps her. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by FLEA

[kaputt]

https://humanevents.com/2021/12/01/blm-calls-for-boycott-of-white-companies-during-holiday-season/

BLM wants to boycott white businesses. Are we still as a society pretending they aren’t a racist organization? 
 

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by kaputt

[VMFA187]

The Left makes and plays by their own rules and standards and are hypocrites without peer. 

Remember, X & Y chromosomes aren't sciences. 

[BashiChuni]

remember Dr Fauci is THE science.

[jazzdude]

Perhaps but man... Her whole resume... She went into consulting after 3 years of service. When's the last time anyone asked to consult with a lieutenant on ing anything? Lol. But you're right. The SJ mentality hurts her more than helps her. 

Well, that's one of the differences between the military and civilian sector... Rank don't mean crap after service...

[FLEA]

52 minutes ago, jazzdude said:

5 hours ago, FLEA said:

Perhaps but man... Her whole resume... She went into consulting after 3 years of service. When's the last time anyone asked to consult with a lieutenant on ing anything? Lol. But you're right. The SJ mentality hurts her more than helps her. 

Well, that's one of the differences between the military and civilian sector... Rank don't mean crap after service...

Right but experience does and I can't see how someone with less than 4 years of service could REALLY deliver on that. 

[Lawman]

Well, that's one of the differences between the military and civilian sector... Rank don't mean crap after service...

Anybody on the outside of the circle dumb enough to assume some vast greatness was experienced through a single enlistment is an idiot.

Think about how much you “knew” at 3-4 years time in service… just enough to not kill yourself or anybody else doing your expected job so long as you listened to the people with 8-10 years and did what they tell you.

She was right at the place in life where you assume some level of responsibility for individual decisions because the jar has been filled with enough knowledge water to work on a staff.


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[Blue]

I wouldn't get hung up on the "consulting" title.  In the civilian world, it often is just another term for an analyst or other basic minion.

Reading the rest of her resume though, it seems clear she was identified as a "shiny penny" in the Democratic party early on, and pushed accordingly.  She ran for Congress twice and lost each time (2018 and 2020).  That's not cheap, and I have to assume she was getting financial support from the DNC.  I assume the Undersecretary gig was her consolation prize.

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Blue

[jazzdude]

Anybody on the outside of the circle dumb enough to assume some vast greatness was experienced through a single enlistment is an idiot.

Think about how much you “knew” at 3-4 years time in service… just enough to not kill yourself or anybody else doing your expected job so long as you listened to the people with 8-10 years and did what they tell you.

She was right at the place in life where you assume some level of responsibility for individual decisions because the jar has been filled with enough knowledge water to work on a staff.

Would you agree that even a short of stint of military service is better than none? For a job that requires zero military experience? That is also a political appointment?

The check on some rando being appointed is that the Senate has to confirm the USecAF. And her credentials were good enough for the Senate to confirm.

Plus she's had a decent amount of time in DIA, so while not in the AF it's time within DOD.

And secretaries, undersecretaries, and assistant secretaries all have staffs that support them in their decision making.

All that to say, chucking spears at her decision making are valid. But her experience or lack thereof don't really matter because it's not a requirement for the job so long as the Senate confirms, and civilian control of the military means that many of the civilians in charge of the military won't have significant military service.

[Lawman]

I wouldn't get hung up on the "consulting" title.  In the civilian world, it often is just another term for an analyst or other basic minion.
Reading the rest of her resume though, it seems clear she was identified as a "shiny penny" in the Democratic party early on, and pushed accordingly.  She ran for Congress twice and lost each time (2018 and 2020).  That's not cheap, and I have to assume she was getting financial support from the DNC.  I assume the Undersecretary gig was her consolation prize.
 

I mean let’s not lie we are guilty of the same kind of “looks good to me” future progression type of thinking.

How often have we seen the chosen son/daughter or one of the anointed favorites of a commander seemingly progress to loftier positions ahead of peers often times more deserving and at the detriment to the long term health of the system.

The dangerous ones (both politically and militarily) are the ones with selfish ambition to higher position because of the power it brings and early recognition that they are amongst the beautiful peoples club. Those are the careerists/politicians they scare me, because they’ve figured out how to weaponize the stratification in the system in a way that ceases being a meritorious reward and merely checks all the right boxes in the visual check. And not one damn bit of their motivation to do a job has any override on the desire to merely progress higher up the ladder.


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[FLEA]

1 hour ago, jazzdude said:

 

 

Would you agree that even a short of stint of military service is better than none? For a job that requires zero military experience? That is also a political appointment?

The check on some rando being appointed is that the Senate has to confirm the USecAF. And her credentials were good enough for the Senate to confirm.

Plus she's had a decent amount of time in DIA, so while not in the AF it's time within DOD.

And secretaries, undersecretaries, and assistant secretaries all have staffs that support them in their decision making.

All that to say, chucking spears at her decision making are valid. But her experience or lack thereof don't really matter because it's not a requirement for the job so long as the Senate confirms, and civilian control of the military means that many of the civilians in charge of the military won't have significant military service.
 

 

The point is her credentials were good enough because there was an invisible hand holding her up. As mentioned, she's been darling'd by the DNC. Her work at DIA is relevant but I'm curious how she was so quickly pulled into the WH division, largely during the Obama presidency mind you. 

The question you need to ask now though is who does she really work for? The DAF? The USG? I would argue she actually works for the Democratic Party. They are the ones that will continue to ensure she is gainfully employed. I predict she finishes out two years than moves to an undersecretary position within SECDEF or a position within the office of the DNI. When Biden is out of office they will rerun her for Congress or find her more work in a prestigious firm that justifies Democratic policy. 

This isn't a stab at Democrats, it's happening everywhere. There is clearly a vector to power that is available to some but not many. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by FLEA

[DirkDiggler]

I know I'm way more cynical than most, but I honestly can't remember a time in my 18+ years in the AF when I even knew who the Air Force Under Secretary was.  Political appointees like that, as mentioned above, don't require any prior military experience.  Does anyone really care about this? 

[Prozac]

12 hours ago, kaputt said:

https://humanevents.com/2021/12/01/blm-calls-for-boycott-of-white-companies-during-holiday-season/

BLM wants to boycott white businesses. Are we still as a society pretending they aren’t a racist organization? 
 

 

This sure sounds like a headline meant to keep the conservative outrage machine going. A quick browse of the BLM website doesn’t net any evidence of a boycott of white companies. There is a “Black Xmas” section that encourages disrupting “white supremacist capitalism” by shopping in black owned businesses. A bit hyperbolic? Maybe. A “boycott” of white people? Meh. Fox trying to keep you tuned in? Definitely. Gonna bankrupt the Gap? Pfffffttttt. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Prozac

[kaputt]

3 hours ago, Prozac said:

This sure sounds like a headline meant to keep the conservative outrage machine going. A quick browse of the BLM website doesn’t net any evidence of a boycott of white companies. There is a “Black Xmas” section that encourages disrupting “white supremacist capitalism” by shopping in black owned businesses. A bit hyperbolic? Maybe. A “boycott” of white people? Meh. Fox trying to keep you tuned in? Definitely. Gonna bankrupt the Gap? Pfffffttttt. 

Not supporting “white supremacist capitalism” and only buying from Black businesses sure sounds like a not so thinly veiled boycott of any business that is owned by anyone not of a certain skin pigment. Which I guess maybe I was raised weird, but that seems to meet all the hallmarks of racism to me. 

I like to play a little game to judge the racism level of BLM tweets and causes. Simply replace ‘white’ in any of their tweets and articles with ‘Jew’ or ‘Black’, then replace ‘black’ with ‘white’, and see how uncomfortable it makes you and how much it seems to fit the despicable things said in Jim Crow Deep South or 1930s Germany. That Drake meme sure gets uncomfortable real quick if you do that. 
 

But go ahead and keep giving free pass to an openly racist (and Marxist) organization simply because it aligns with your political team of choice. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by kaputt

[Danger41]

Does any normal person actually buy into this shit or is it just the Twitter sphere?

[BashiChuni]

11 minutes ago, Danger41 said:

Does any normal person actually buy into this shit or is it just the Twitter sphere?

Woah woah woah woah buddy! Looks like you need some additional extremist training! I got my eye on you…

[VMFA187]

1 hour ago, Danger41 said:

Does any normal person actually buy into this shit or is it just the Twitter sphere?

I have lost friends over my decision not to get a vaccine. Though to be fair, I do live in California. 😆

[FLEA]

18 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

I know I'm way more cynical than most, but I honestly can't remember a time in my 18+ years in the AF when I even knew who the Air Force Under Secretary was.  Political appointees like that, as mentioned above, don't require any prior military experience.  Does anyone really care about this? 

Well low and behold she was in the news today. 

 

This story probably belongs in this thread but honestly after reading all of it, Im not sure who is right/wrong. It sounds like the AF fucked up by not kicking this guy out when they had the chance. However, it also sounds like they did try but didnt meet the standards of evidence neccessary to do it. The fact is though, for several years now, they have trampled his rights, which no matter how gross his crimes, is never justified. 

[DirkDiggler]

1 hour ago, FLEA said:

Well low and behold she was in the news today. 

 

This story probably belongs in this thread but honestly after reading all of it, Im not sure who is right/wrong. It sounds like the AF fucked up by not kicking this guy out when they had the chance. However, it also sounds like they did try but didnt meet the standards of evidence neccessary to do it. The fact is though, for several years now, they have trampled his rights, which no matter how gross his crimes, is never justified. 

What story?

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, DirkDiggler said:

What story?

Ah shit the hyperlink failed.

Let me see if I can find it... 

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/air-force-revoke-bronze-star-recipients-retirement-benefits-hot-tub?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

This is a similar article but the info is a bit different. In short, Undersecretary Ortiz sounds like the one who is really pushing to open this can of worms again. 

The facts are super confusing and the dude sounds like an overall douche so I have little sympathy for him. But it does sound like there is significant concern is rights are being penalized if he already met the obligations of his court martial and was allowed to continue service.