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Wokeness training is cancelled. Signed - POTUS.  https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/M-20-34.pdf   

lloyd christmas
lloyd christmas

I’ve never seen or met a Nazi in my entire life.  I don’t know any blood and soil radical nationalists.  If I’m around bigots, they don’t say anything out loud.  I’ve also never met a white supremacis

lloyd christmas
lloyd christmas

You are seeing the classic deny, deny, counter-accuse tactic used on this thread by some on the left.  They’ve denied CRT exists.  They’ve denied CRT is being taught in schools.   And they’ve followed

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HeloDude Gray Beard

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The left only cares that they have someone in office who will champion their progressive causes…calling Trump a racist was just to motivate their left wing base and attempt to have some in the middle feel guilty for originally supporting Trump.

If not for double standards, the left wouldn’t have any standards at all.

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3 hours ago, StoleIt said:

So nobody cares that Biden is limiting flights from South Africa? It's only racist/xenophobic when Trump does it, right?

Yeah, duh. Surprised you didn't know that. Same as when all the Ds were roaming NYC decrying the corona virus. Man, the difference a month can make!

HeloDude Gray Beard

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1 minute ago, Negatory said:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
 

I didn’t really recall outrage about Trump travel bans from a racism perspective. Turns out, that’s because it’s more of a republican talking point than reality.

Show me some examples if I’m wrong.

Did you not see the post 4 above yours where the current president said it was a disgrace because it was aimed at keeping people from color from coming to the US?

But since you’re acting like there wasn’t outrage from the left, here you go:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/civil-rights-groups-condemn-trump-s-travel-ban-expansion-six-n1142231
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opinion/trump-travel-ban-nigeria.html


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/house/480991-pelosi-trumps-expanded-travel-ban-is-outrageous-un-american-and-threatens-rule%3famp

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50 minutes ago, Negatory said:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
 

I didn’t really recall outrage about Trump travel bans from a racism perspective. Turns out, that’s because it’s more of a republican talking point than reality.

Show me some examples if I’m wrong.

You are an idiot. Like, legitimately fucking stupid.

As, I'm assuming, an officer, how can you be so blind?

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Hacker Gray Beard

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This thread is emblematic of there literally being two completely different understandings of reality out there in contemporary American society.

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3 hours ago, Negatory said:

I hadn’t seen or followed the Pelosi thing. Although it was in January before we were in pandemic mode, I’ll say I stand corrected. I just never felt like people were mad about travel bans once we agreed Covid was a thing.

Whoa buddy, calm your tits. But overreaction is a specialty on this forum.

For what its worth Negatory, I don't think you're stupid. You're one of the few members on this forum that is capable of examining another side and making an honest admission when you see things differently. I've seen that in the COVID thread. 

Rather, this is really solid evidence of how strong our echo chambers can be. And while you read an article that convinced you it was a Republican echo chamber propogating a myth, you quickly realized you were actually the one that was unaware of what the narrative was. No big deal, you fessed up to it and we move on. Both sides are guilty of it.

You win points because you did 2 things.

1.) You heard something you thoght was wrong so you looked it up. Unfortunately what you looked up was wrong but you still tried due dilligence to get the story straight. 

2.) When you recognized its wrong you owned it. 

In my book that earns you big points and you are the type of dude I would love the share beers with and discuss controversial opinions we don't agree one. 

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lloyd christmas

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4 hours ago, Negatory said:

COVID, ironically, has been the biggest eye opener of people being brainwashed for me. I think I’m doing better now.

I genuinely appreciate the honesty as well.  I am curious if your views on who or which party you will vote for in the future has changed.  If not, why?  If so, are there any other narratives that you are opening your eyes to other than COVID?  

I ask because I’m hopeful that eyes are being opened all over the country to various false narratives.  I think Virginia is a sign of that.  

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Majestik Møøse

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This period will go down in history as the time when America squabbled with itself over internal trivialities while China built its swarming hordes into a military and economic monster. We need to focus on turning the entire world - including Russia - against China and letting go of moronic stupid shit like “let’s go Brandon” and calling everyone a racist.

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Lord Ratner Gray Beard

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19 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

I genuinely appreciate the honesty as well.  I am curious if your views on who or which party you will vote for in the future has changed.  If not, why?  If so, are there any other narratives that you are opening your eyes to other than COVID?  

I ask because I’m hopeful that eyes are being opened all over the country to various false narratives.  I think Virginia is a sign of that.  

We need to get away from this idea of "what party you will vote for in the future."

 

If you look at the electoral college in the past, presidents from both sides won overwhelming majorities of the country, and the states swung from left to right like a pendulum. We need to go back to that.

 

There should be no Democratic or Republican voters. Those are teams. There are certainly liberal-minded and conservative-minded people, but those people should make a decision on which politicians and which parties represent their priorities at the moment they cast a vote, and just like those priorities change regularly and in response to the world around us, so too should the people you vote for each election.

 

I know you aren't advocating for party loyalty, but I think we're at a point where even the language we use to describe politics is inadvertently reinforcing the notion that each of us belongs to a political team, and the voting trends support this notion.

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trump was right about the deep state and swamp. it's real and both sides happily wade into it. we have a professional ruling elite disguised as "democracy" and the "people's choice".

such a deception. and to keep the heat off themselves, they pit R's and D's against each other and throw out political bait every election cycle to be happily gobbled up by the unclean masses.

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Blue Gray Beard

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7 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/maurene-comey-james-comey-daughter-leading-jeffrey-epstein-case-2019-7

I’m not alleging misconduct.  I’m simply pointing out how intertwined some things are at the top in this country.  

Interesting article.  While it sounds like Maureen Comey is very capable and has a distinguished career thus far, it's hard not to suspect nepotism had an effect on her career.  Guess it's not surprising; nepotism seems to be a phenomenon throughout the DoD, why wouldn't it be so at the DoJ.  Just another contributing factor to the swamp, as pointed out above.

On a related note, the article mentions Maurene Comey as one of three lead prosecutors handling the case, along with Assistant US Attorneys Alex Rossmiller and Alison Gainfort Moe.

AUSA Alex Rossmiller appears to be the real deal.  Started at the Defense Intelligence Agency as an intelligence analyst in 2004.  Volunteered for a six-month deployment to Iraq.  Came back to a tour as a Strategic Issues Expert in the Office of Iraq Analysis at the Pentagon.  Wrote a book in 2008 titled Still Broken: A Recruit's Inside Account of Intelligence Failures, from Baghdad to the Pentagon, described as "a blistering account of the ideology and incompetence that cripple our efforts to confront our enemies and fight our wars."

Will be interesting to see how the Ghislaine Maxwell trial plays out.

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29 minutes ago, Blue said:

Interesting article.  While it sounds like Maureen Comey is very capable and has a distinguished career thus far, it's hard not to suspect nepotism had an effect on her career.  Guess it's not surprising; nepotism seems to be a phenomenon throughout the DoD, why wouldn't it be so at the DoJ.  Just another contributing factor to the swamp, as pointed out above.

On a related note, the article mentions Maurene Comey as one of three lead prosecutors handling the case, along with Assistant US Attorneys Alex Rossmiller and Alison Gainfort Moe.

AUSA Alex Rossmiller appears to be the real deal.  Started at the Defense Intelligence Agency as an intelligence analyst in 2004.  Volunteered for a six-month deployment to Iraq.  Came back to a tour as a Strategic Issues Expert in the Office of Iraq Analysis at the Pentagon.  Wrote a book in 2008 titled Still Broken: A Recruit's Inside Account of Intelligence Failures, from Baghdad to the Pentagon, described as "a blistering account of the ideology and incompetence that cripple our efforts to confront our enemies and fight our wars."

Will be interesting to see how the Ghislaine Maxwell trial plays out.

I'll never defend nepotism but I have thought a lot about it in the past. Read a prior study that discussed US generals being weaker than their international peers because many were just getting comfortable in their roles when crises happened, where as in a nepotist military their best strategic officers had already had years/decades of experience when their big crises hit them.

I also noticed this week the #2 in the AF, is an '03 ROTC grad. In context for a minute, in means a young woman with less than 20 years is now presiding in a position over every AD person over 20 years; which is a critical data point regarding the grooming and selection of career officers and GOs. Certainly someone was taking care of her when as a new hire to the DIA and she went on to work in the Whitehouse. Another common thread with these types though is a foray into politics which often later help them earn a political appointment. At some point you don't really work for the USG anymore you work for your party and then you party finds jobs for you using the USG as a grooming ground.

Anyway, I digress. What I've noticed is a lot of people assume when Republicans talk deep state they are talking about coordinated conspiracies where the Washington Deep State club meets every other Thursday in the leader's basement to discuss the plot to take over the world. What they are ACTUALLY referring to is a combination of actual nepotism in the USG, group think, and a pervasive lack of moral courage to upset the status quo when something is clearly wrong. It's the whole "you have to play the game before you can ever change the rules to the game" problem where once you have won the game, the game has had you long enough to corrupt and implicate you beyond your interest to change it. 

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